Jewelry trait for CP Campaign

Mayrael

Did you tested new traits in CP PvP open world environment? What is your experience in this matter? Which suits you best? What play style?

Springt-Über-Zwerge

Swift

Magplar: I use swift to make my house into a caravan

Datthaw

Swift

Swift is op in terms of open world mobility and it is honestly pay to win.

Tommy_The_Gun

Swift

Yep... probably the most broken trait right now. Would not be surprised to see a nerf in near future.

Septimus_Magna

I think the question should be, how many swift do you run?

frostz417

Arcane/Robust

Datthaw wrote: »

Swift is op in terms of open world mobility and it is honestly pay to win.

It’s not pay to win, nor is it broken OP, all it does is increases movement speed which is doesn’t include any damage buff or any defensive buffs. It’s a normal trait that has its counter play. How about snaring your super fast target? What’s he going to do? Run around you to death? Run away? Nothing in this game is pay to win, just an argument noobs use because they can’t access such features. Smh I’m more than sure someone who doesn’t have summerset can just ask a crafter to craft them a specific jewlery. Or l2p

Pijng

Triune

frostz417 wrote: »

Datthaw wrote: »

Swift is op in terms of open world mobility and it is honestly pay to win.

It’s not pay to win, nor is it broken OP, all it does is increases movement speed which is doesn’t include any damage buff or any defensive buffs. It’s a normal trait that has its counter play. How about snaring your super fast target? What’s he going to do? Run around you to death? Run away? Nothing in this game is pay to win, just an argument noobs use because they can’t access such features. Smh I’m more than sure someone who doesn’t have summerset can just ask a crafter to craft them a specific jewlery. Or l2p

He can use forward momentum to remove snare and gain snare immun for 8 secs c: That's for stambuild (and for magones with 2h, melee mNB for example)

What about "What’s he going to do? Run around you to death? Run away?" — nah, he will wait for his ult and combo and burst you down. As always. You don't need 3x robust with 3x wep dmg enchants to kill someone with burst.

Idk how many swift jewelry magbuilds are using atm, but let's assume at least one. It's already free constant minor expedition. Mags don't have a reliable snare removal source except, well, purge (which is garbage for that). So they're not that op IN COMPARISON to stambuilds with swift. But still are a lot more tougher opponents than without swift.

What about trading dmg and/or defensive buffs by running swift — cmon, 2610 stam (3x robust) for example, traded to constant major expedition (3x swift). If we will add latency and server delays (in terms of enemy position), the enemy who always strifes around you, LoS'ing ect – try to hit him while being a melee build. Basically it's best defensive and offensive kit you can get if you can manage it in a right way.

Nothing op, ye.

Datthaw

Swift

frostz417 wrote: »

Datthaw wrote: »

Swift is op in terms of open world mobility and it is honestly pay to win.

It’s not pay to win, nor is it broken OP, all it does is increases movement speed which is doesn’t include any damage buff or any defensive buffs. It’s a normal trait that has its counter play. How about snaring your super fast target? What’s he going to do? Run around you to death? Run away? Nothing in this game is pay to win, just an argument noobs use because they can’t access such features. Smh I’m more than sure someone who doesn’t have summerset can just ask a crafter to craft them a specific jewlery. Or l2p

Lol it is pay to win in my opinion. And the way you comment makes me feel you spend very little time in cyro.

Takes-No-Prisoner

Protective

I use a multiple builds. My magic toons primarily use arcane, stamina robust/sometimes protective. For my StamDK bloodthrist.

I've personally not had a problem with people running high speed builds. But seeing so many people here saying Swift being as strong as it is, I would be curious to hear more of your thoughts on it.

I understand how powerful mobility in general is, as a Fighting Game player who enjoys using high mobility characters -- I get how strong this is in concept. I feel I am missing something and wish to learn about why Swift is powerful from those perspectives.

_Salty_

Protective

Protective.

I have 5k weap dam 40k stam, 29k resists, 1700 stam regen. In medium. 20k dizzy swings.

Minno

Arcane/Robust

Swift/robust/healthy for me.

In nCP, Swift might Rob you of valuable health/stamina you need to sustain fights. But in CP Swift let's you run around like a crazy person.

Honestly in a BG, the extra health/sustain is probably better. The times Swift saves you, is usually when you are watching your positioning anyway, but the extra health/stamina could have let you avoid that long ranged poison Injection.

Really its build dependant.

Waffennacht

Swift
Protective
Arcane/Robust/healthy

Have all made their way onto my builds - like @Minno said; build dependant.

Swift is on 2 of my builds at x2
Protective x2 on one
At least 1 arcane/robust/healthy is on all

Datthaw

Swift

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

I use a multiple builds. My magic toons primarily use arcane, stamina robust/sometimes protective. For my StamDK bloodthrist.

I've personally not had a problem with people running high speed builds. But seeing so many people here saying Swift being as strong as it is, I would be curious to hear more of your thoughts on it.

I understand how powerful mobility in general is, as a Fighting Game player who enjoys using high mobility characters -- I get how strong this is in concept. I feel I am missing something and wish to learn about why Swift is powerful from those perspectives.

I'll put it this way. In a big group swift doesn't mean much. It's with the solo and small groups where you use it and see a noticeable difference. Mainly it has a huge impact with Stam builds but I am running 2 swift rings on both my mag toons I play. The movement speed buff from them stacks with Immovable speed pot and then throw fm on top of it. On my magnb i run 2h/resto, if I pull too many and start getting chased by like 10 people, normally I would die. However with swift>fm>pot I'm hauling butt and unless you're also in swift there is absolutely no way you're going to catch and kill me. Aaaaaannd on top of that those poor guys chasing you are stung out and stam drained so you turn back and pick then all off. If you're into the small group thing in cyro you're probably all about that swift

WuffyCerulei

Arcane/Robust

I'll probably go 1 Swift when it's done being researched.

Takes-No-Prisoner

Protective

Datthaw wrote: »

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

I use a multiple builds. My magic toons primarily use arcane, stamina robust/sometimes protective. For my StamDK bloodthrist.

I've personally not had a problem with people running high speed builds. But seeing so many people here saying Swift being as strong as it is, I would be curious to hear more of your thoughts on it.

I understand how powerful mobility in general is, as a Fighting Game player who enjoys using high mobility characters -- I get how strong this is in concept. I feel I am missing something and wish to learn about why Swift is powerful from those perspectives.

I'll put it this way. In a big group swift doesn't mean much. It's with the solo and small groups where you use it and see a noticeable difference. Mainly it has a huge impact with Stam builds but I am running 2 swift rings on both my mag toons I play. The movement speed buff from them stacks with Immovable speed pot and then throw fm on top of it. On my magnb i run 2h/resto, if I pull too many and start getting chased by like 10 people, normally I would die. However with swift>fm>pot I'm hauling butt and unless you're also in swift there is absolutely no way you're going to catch and kill me. Aaaaaannd on top of that those poor guys chasing you are stung out and stam drained so you turn back and pick then all off. If you're into the small group thing in cyro you're probably all about that swift

I also take it, with Swift being active, you are spending less resources on sprinting / using stamina as well? Since for every time you commit to moving a direction, you get a lot of millage/distance from just moving in general versus not having the buff active.

I don't know enough peoples to run small scale, I just know to leave a guy a lone if he's getting 1vX'ed, unless of course he decides to mess with me. There is typically 0 reasons to chase a guy who is outnumbered from my perspective.

Interesting you're running a 2H/Resto MagNB with Swift, how does this build play out? If you don't mind me asking. I've run it before, but this was well prior to MagNB getting better buffs that we see today.

dassneakereb17_ESO

Swift

lol just put 3 swift with speed buffs, run around players like sanic on meth and abuse lag on potato servers, it's the best defense and offence buff in game
you get like 50% dodge because enemy can't use skills on you while wasting their resourses and you can focus on bursting instead of defense
enjoy another little unintended feature from zos

Datthaw

Swift

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

Datthaw wrote: »

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

I use a multiple builds. My magic toons primarily use arcane, stamina robust/sometimes protective. For my StamDK bloodthrist.

I've personally not had a problem with people running high speed builds. But seeing so many people here saying Swift being as strong as it is, I would be curious to hear more of your thoughts on it.

I understand how powerful mobility in general is, as a Fighting Game player who enjoys using high mobility characters -- I get how strong this is in concept. I feel I am missing something and wish to learn about why Swift is powerful from those perspectives.

I'll put it this way. In a big group swift doesn't mean much. It's with the solo and small groups where you use it and see a noticeable difference. Mainly it has a huge impact with Stam builds but I am running 2 swift rings on both my mag toons I play. The movement speed buff from them stacks with Immovable speed pot and then throw fm on top of it. On my magnb i run 2h/resto, if I pull too many and start getting chased by like 10 people, normally I would die. However with swift>fm>pot I'm hauling butt and unless you're also in swift there is absolutely no way you're going to catch and kill me. Aaaaaannd on top of that those poor guys chasing you are stung out and stam drained so you turn back and pick then all off. If you're into the small group thing in cyro you're probably all about that swift

I also take it, with Swift being active, you are spending less resources on sprinting / using stamina as well? Since for every time you commit to moving a direction, you get a lot of millage/distance from just moving in general versus not having the buff active.

I don't know enough peoples to run small scale, I just know to leave a guy a lone if he's getting 1vX'ed, unless of course he decides to mess with me. There is typically 0 reasons to chase a guy who is outnumbered from my perspective.

Interesting you're running a 2H/Resto MagNB with Swift, how does this build play out? If you don't mind me asking. I've run it before, but this was well prior to MagNB getting better buffs that we see today.

Well, with light attack buff, I am really thinking of going back to destro resto. I normally run with a buddy so it makes my life easier dps wise but I am def missing some damage and the ease of ranged weave. I have also thought a lot about going destro/2h and dropping resto all together just because swife makes you that much more elusive.

jaime1982

I play magnb right now with 2x swift, dont think I can go back to normal now.

Adenoma

I run 1x swift on medium stamNB, 3x swift on heavy armor that doesn’t use cloak.

Maryal

I think a few of the posts glorifying swift have a little too much hyperbole in them and I'm concerned that they may be posted by people who covertly want it nerfed (by making it appear as if it were 'OP' ... which it's not). Swift is helpful, but you're not going to get much of an edge from it unless you are also hyper- vigilant to potential danger and have very quick reaction time. In other words, the more experienced and skillful you are, the more you will get out of it (which is true for just about anything). That being said, many 'enemy' players are equally as swift as you, so any 'edge' you get from swift is nullified when your opponent also has it.

I like it being a jewelry trait because it alleviates the need to wear specialized armor for a 'non-temporary' speed buff.

ccmedaddy

Too many great jewelry traits to choose just one--Protective, Triune, Swift, and Infused are all amazing. My only complaint is there are not enough jewelry slots to accomodate all of them in a single build lol.

daemonor

Swift

Has to be swift, I was VERY skeptical of it being useful but after reading countless forum posts I've decided to actually try it and well...it just blew my mind how good it is. Playing without swift feels like being snared 100% of the time and I will trade that lousy 980x3 stam for 30% move speed ALL THE TIME ANY TIME. Paired it with an orc sorc (which I've been playing for ages now) and I don't want to try anything else anymore)))

Waffennacht

daemonor wrote: »

Has to be swift, I was VERY skeptical of it being useful but after reading countless forum posts I've decided to actually try it and well...it just blew my mind how good it is. Playing without swift feels like being snared 100% of the time and I will trade that lousy 980x3 stam for 30% move speed ALL THE TIME ANY TIME. Paired it with an orc sorc (which I've been playing for ages now) and I don't want to try anything else anymore)))

Well I really think Stam sorc has some of the best synergy with swift; another is melee magplar.

It's not as attractive on mag sorc or Magden

Healthden is a lumbering beast anyway; I don't feel the difference as much on him either.

My gold swift is on my Stam sorc that's how much I love it

TheMystid

Swift

frostz417 wrote: »

Datthaw wrote: »

Swift is op in terms of open world mobility and it is honestly pay to win.

It’s not pay to win, nor is it broken OP, all it does is increases movement speed which is doesn’t include any damage buff or any defensive buffs. It’s a normal trait that has its counter play. How about snaring your super fast target? What’s he going to do? Run around you to death? Run away? Nothing in this game is pay to win, just an argument noobs use because they can’t access such features. Smh I’m more than sure someone who doesn’t have summerset can just ask a crafter to craft them a specific jewlery. Or l2p

a GOOD player running 2-3 swift is just a nightmare to play against. Those who say "swift is not P2W" are those who have golden Swift jewels.

Enkil

Protective

I play mostly healers so protective is indespensible. On a warden with heal gap closer swift is just not worth it. I plan to use swift on melee templar tho.

Takes-No-Prisoner

Protective

Enkil wrote: »

I play mostly healers so protective is indespensible. On a warden with heal gap closer swift is just not worth it. I plan to use swift on melee templar tho.

This post is pretty much what I have experienced as well. I dont run healers for pvp, but running protective on my stamplar I have seen a huge boost to her tankyness.

Hutch679

Swift

_Salty_ wrote: »

Protective.

I have 5k weap dam 40k stam, 29k resists, 1700 stam regen. In medium. 20k dizzy swings.

How's your healing though?

_Salty_

Protective

Hutch679 wrote: »

_Salty_ wrote: »

Protective.

I have 5k weap dam 40k stam, 29k resists, 1700 stam regen. In medium. 20k dizzy swings.

How's your healing though?

17k vigor on back bar. Higher on 2h. I have just over 5k weapon damage and a hair under 40k (39 and change) stamina.

I heal for days. I sit at 47% crit as well so my crit surge is going off like crazy.

phillyproduct

Infused

_Salty_ wrote: »

Hutch679 wrote: »

_Salty_ wrote: »

Protective.

I have 5k weap dam 40k stam, 29k resists, 1700 stam regen. In medium. 20k dizzy swings.

How's your healing though?

17k vigor on back bar. Higher on 2h. I have just over 5k weapon damage and a hair under 40k (39 and change) stamina.

I heal for days. I sit at 47% crit as well so my crit surge is going off like crazy.

How do u get that wpdmg and stam?

phillyproduct

Infused

3infused wpdmg on a stamplar is kinda nice with ravenger/bone pirate

Gilvoth

Swift

frostz417 wrote: »

Datthaw wrote: »

Swift is op in terms of open world mobility and it is honestly pay to win.

It’s not pay to win, nor is it broken OP, all it does is increases movement speed which is doesn’t include any damage buff or any defensive buffs. It’s a normal trait that has its counter play. How about snaring your super fast target? What’s he going to do? Run around you to death? Run away? Nothing in this game is pay to win, just an argument noobs use because they can’t access such features. Smh I’m more than sure someone who doesn’t have summerset can just ask a crafter to craft them a specific jewlery. Or l2p

well said.
all truth.
It’s not pay to win, nor is it broken OP, all it does is increases movement speed which is doesn’t include any damage buff or any defensive buffs. It’s a normal trait that has its counter play. How about snaring your super fast target? What’s he going to do? Run around you to death? Run away? Nothing in this game is pay to win, just an argument noobs use because they can’t access such features. Smh I’m more than sure someone who doesn’t have summerset can just ask a crafter to craft them a specific jewlery. Or l2p