Magicka Sorcerer PvP build "Bloody Vendetta" - I Define Op

ItsNebula

A lot of people have been asking what i run this patch, and how im hitting so hard with what seems to be just 2 skills. Well, here it is!

"Bloody Vendetta"

Difficulty of play;
1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-(9)-10
*1, Anyone can play it.. 10, only top tier players can do good with it*

Pros;
VERY huge burst
Amazing Sustain
Mobility
Sustained damage
Constant Pressure

Cons;
Not extremely tanky
Requires you to kite to sustain in a 1vX
VERY hard to play/master

Stats (The Important)
Magicka - 50k Backbar, 47k Frontbar (Necro Proc)
Stamina - 11k
Health - 16k In CP PvP.
Spell Damage - 3.3k Front-bar FULLY Buffed, 2.6k Surge buff, 2.2k unbuffed.
10k Spell penn.
35.7% Spell Crit.
1444 Magicka Recov, 1600 with a pot.

Important Tooltips;
21.1k CFrag, 11.4k Elemental Weapon, 17.3k Curse, 18.2k Endless. All fully buffed.

Attributes;
-64- Magicka
-0- Health
-0- Stamina

Race
(1) High Elf
(2) Breton
(3) Argonian

Food;
Ghastly Eyeball (Max Mag Mag Recov)

Mundus;
The Mage.

Weapons;
Destruction Staff, Inferno
Sword and Shield

Skills;
-FB, Destro- Endless Fury, Flame Reach, Elemental Weapon, Crystal Fragments, Haunting Curse, Ice Comet.
-BB, SnB- Power Surge, Harness Magicka, Hardened Ward, Dark Conversion, Ball Of Lightning, Energy Overload (Negate for GP)
-EO Bar- Boundless Storm, Daedric Minefield, Hardened Ward, Dark Conversion, Ball Of Lightning.

Sets+Traits+Glyphs;
x2 Engine Guardian (Head and Shoulder)
x5 Necropotence (x3 Jewerly, x2 Body)
x5 Innate Axiom (x1 Destro Staff, x3 Body)
x2 Willpower (Sword and Shield)
Infused on BIG pieces, divines on the SMALL pieces. Nirn staff, Defending Sword, Infused Shield.
Max Magicka on all armor + shield, Arcane Jewerly Weapon Damage enchant on staff, Drain Mag and Stam poison for SnB.
x3 Spell damage on the jewelry.

Champion Points;
-Green Tree- 82 Warlord, 4 mooncalf, 56 Arcanist, 56 Tenacity, 51 Tumbling, 1 Shadowward.
-Blue Tree- 65 Elemental Expert, 57 Elfborn, 55 Spell Erosion, 11 Shattering Blows, 72 Master At Arms.
-Red Tree- 27 Resistant, 72 Ironclad, 32 Elemental Defender, 23 Thick Skinned, 32 Hardy, 72 Bastion.

How to play this build (Burst, Sustain etc)
For our burst, we pretty much just turtle up, throw out Elemental Weapons.. when frags are procced, you do.. Curse, Light attack, Elemental Wep, Endless, Elemental, Frag. This kills just about everyone i encounter, if theyre a better player, itll take timing your burst JUST right and adding in a few more Elemental weapons.

For sustain, we rely off of Dark Conversion. We have pretty much infinite sustain because of so, AND SnB gives us nearly unlimited stam, which is pretty much unlimited Magicka. 0 stam, 2-3 heavy attacks can bring us back to full. Dark Conversion is also our burst heal.

I do just fine open world, but when i have a lot of pressure on me, i need a good spot to kite.

I hope you guys like the build!

Edit; More precious/accurate numbers

ItsNebula

Allow me to add, Flame Reach is (Obviously) our CC, add that in the burst right before CFrags, it also gives a small DoT which is nice!

Waffennacht

This build. This build...

I'd take my Stam sorc over these builds any day tbh.

You realize everything you have but curse is roll dodgeable right? (Except your ult which is semi-dodgeable - i.e. the CC is)

Oh... No front bar shield?

Ty for the dodge + CC = win

Edit: I've faced this/similar Sorcs before, and as a player whom feels quite versed with sorc and all it's forms (I mean I do have a 24k viewed sorc build) I just don't like this build.

ItsNebula

Waffennacht wrote: »

This build. This build...

I'd take my Stam sorc over these builds any day tbh.

You realize everything you have but curse is roll dodgeable right? (Except your ult which is semi-dodgeable - i.e. the CC is)

Oh... No front bar shield?

Ty for the dodge + CC = win

Edit: I've faced this/similar Sorcs before, and as a player whom feels quite versed with sorc and all it's forms (I mean I do have a 24k viewed sorc build) I just don't like this build.

It doesnt matter. The burst is still huge, if you get caught by my flame reach, youre screwed.
And front bar shield? Thats for the worst of the worst of MagSorcs.. no decent MagSorc runs front bar shield.

Waffennacht

ItsNebula wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

This build. This build...

I'd take my Stam sorc over these builds any day tbh.

You realize everything you have but curse is roll dodgeable right? (Except your ult which is semi-dodgeable - i.e. the CC is)

Oh... No front bar shield?

Ty for the dodge + CC = win

Edit: I've faced this/similar Sorcs before, and as a player whom feels quite versed with sorc and all it's forms (I mean I do have a 24k viewed sorc build) I just don't like this build.

It doesnt matter. The burst is still huge, if you get caught by my flame reach, youre screwed.
And front bar shield? Thats for the worst of the worst of MagSorcs.. no decent MagSorc runs front bar shield.

Lol. Ok.

Lexxypwns

No DeCeNt MaGsOrC rUnS fRoNt BaR sHiElD

Minalan

Lexxypwns wrote: »

No DeCeNt MaGsOrC rUnS fRoNt BaR sHiElD

False, plenty of them do. It's just a style thing. I think Pelican did at one point, but he only runs one shield most of the time, sooo....

I think the issue with this build is just the class isn't in a great spot at the moment, no matter how many oddball builds with clever, cutsie names people vommit out on these forums.

technohic

Minalan wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

No DeCeNt MaGsOrC rUnS fRoNt BaR sHiElD

False, plenty of them do. It's just a style thing. I think Pelican did at one point, but he only runs one shield most of the time, sooo....

I think the issue with this build is just the class isn't in a great spot at the moment, no matter how many oddball builds with clever, cutsie names people vommit out on these forums.

Im Thinking Lexxy's random caps indicates sarcasm. Changed my sorc life when I took shields off my back defensive bar and started weaving in hardened ward on my offensive rotation.

Nicko_Lps

Lexxypwns wrote: »

No DeCeNt MaGsOrC rUnS fRoNt BaR sHiElD

Inside a group? Yeah id agree on that.
Go duel a good player with both shields in backbar, beat him and send me a vid pls



PS

I said a GOOD one, not the type of players i can kill 5 of them at the same time without even using a shield.

Lexxypwns

technohic wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

No DeCeNt MaGsOrC rUnS fRoNt BaR sHiElD

False, plenty of them do. It's just a style thing. I think Pelican did at one point, but he only runs one shield most of the time, sooo....

I think the issue with this build is just the class isn't in a great spot at the moment, no matter how many oddball builds with clever, cutsie names people vommit out on these forums.

Im Thinking Lexxy's random caps indicates sarcasm. Changed my sorc life when I took shields off my back defensive bar and started weaving in hardened ward on my offensive rotation.

It’s a meme

CatchMeTrolling

To my disappointment to see people not get the reference, making me feel young

Checkmath

Lexxypwns wrote: »

technohic wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

No DeCeNt MaGsOrC rUnS fRoNt BaR sHiElD

False, plenty of them do. It's just a style thing. I think Pelican did at one point, but he only runs one shield most of the time, sooo....

I think the issue with this build is just the class isn't in a great spot at the moment, no matter how many oddball builds with clever, cutsie names people vommit out on these forums.

Im Thinking Lexxy's random caps indicates sarcasm. Changed my sorc life when I took shields off my back defensive bar and started weaving in hardened ward on my offensive rotation.

It’s a meme

you maybe should add the spongebob pic....

GrigorijMalahevich

That moment when you kite and sustain dark conversion with 11k stamina

No front bar shield
No heal
No idea where your “big burst” and “if you get caught by my clench you are screwed” is coming from.
First magdk that you will see, will kill you faster than a mob in soul shriven

Gl thinking this is a good build

Aedaryl

I think the build is bad.

For somes reasons :

1) You have not enough magicka sustain to fight a stamina build, you will be OOM fast and kiting a stamina build for dark conversion is not possible since everysingle meta stam build outrun you.

2) You have not enough stamina sustain, if you have the time to heavy attack in 1v1, you will not in 1vX, and when people dodge or block it, you get nothing. You also can't rely on HA when you are kiting.

You also cannot dodge when needed, that's mean you're a dead sorc. Outnumbered you need to dodge to survive. You need it to buy GCD and not being stuck in a spam shield every second until CC come rotation. With 16k HP a LA + DBoS + Execute just one shot you.

3) You have no burst heal and no on demand heal, meaning you are reckt once you are in execute range, because you will not be able to leave it and keeping shield.


4) You rely on elemental drain for damage without master destro staff. You are supposed to do perfect weaving and you wear a set that doesn't increase LA, which mean less pressure (!) and less burst. You are also loosing damage without master staff on flame reach.

5) I'm curious to know your true rotation.

Is it LA/Curse -> LA/EW -> Reach -> LA/Frag -> LA/Fury ?

Because you will not kill someone with a halfbrain without CC. Also, the "rotation" you describe make the frag land 1 GCD after curse, you just loose the "burst".

Let's be honnest, your build is a true potato killer build, the PvE boy with 300 cp discovering the game have skill and not just left click will be murdered.

How about decent players ? And decent player when outnumbered ?

Gnozo

Most of The decent magsorc run frontbar shield, allowing them to stay on their offensive bar while still being able to cast shields.

And axiom is *** on magsorc tho. I would recommend:

Engine Guardian/Shadowrend
5 Necro Body
Juwelry + Resto Lich (Backbar proc)
Master/Asylum Perfect Inferno

Since i have perfect asylum inferno this is my skillbar:

Frontbar:
Crystal Fragments, Crushing Schock, hardened ward, Rune Cage, Fury - Meteor
Backbar:
Healing ward, dark conversion , Ball of lightning, curse, harness - Resto Ult

50k magicka and 3.5k magicka rec with 1.1k stam rec.

Pretty solid

BohnT

Why do you use innate axiom when it doesn't buff:
Light attacks, flame reach, elemental weapon and ice comet
Why do you wear a defending sword?
It doesn't provide you anything at all, a training sword will be just as effective
What is this CP allocation?
No points into staff expert??? Talk about damage loss
27 points wasted on resistant,
No points into expert defender,
Also you wasted so many points for a few more % when you can get much more damage if you allocated the CP better


Put a shield on your frontbar, it doesn't matter how tough you think you are, with lag around not having a shield on the frontbar will get you killed.


Your build isn't hard to master, its just outclassed by anything else.
You have bad sustain, bad healing, no room for error (every good build is there to cover you when you are doing mistakes) while your damage isn't high enough to set itself apart from other builds or compensates for the loss in other aspects in any way

Lord-Otto

Not a fan of this build. Thank you for sharing, and if you're doing well with it - great!

For me, the sustain is not enough. The moment you're forced to spam shields and Streak, with EG giving you health, you're done. Root spam will also cost you with that stam pool and regen.
16k health means the first stun when your shields drop spells your death. And they will drop, see above. Which makes 72 Bastion points redundant. More into Hardy, Elemental Defender and Thick Skinned would be my advice.
Frontbar shield to proc Frags under pressure, deal with barswap-denying lag and save the time for a barswap after a CC and such is a good idea. Your judgment is completely wrong.
Innate doesn't help your ult and spammable. I think Spinner's and putting points from Spell Erosion into Elfborn/Elemental Expert should give you higher burst.

Well, I don't see this build succeeding in drawn-out fights. I can imagine it being useful for a "Ninja Sorc" playstyle, where you quickly drop a few guys from afar, but get the hell out once they noticed you. Again, thanks for taking the time to share. Any information holds valuable insights.

Adernath

This build works only against noobs or people who are busy fighting others. With 11k stamina you are just dead against most experienced pvp-ers in a 1vs1 situation. Dodging and breaking free are just too important.

I wish that magicka would get a break free mechanic. In regards of sorcs, streak would be the perfect choice. Then pure magicka builds would become viable.

del9

On mag sorc I’m probably a 6/10, so 9/10 might be a little above my skill level. Do you have any tips that would make this build work for a worse player like me?

Should I put a shield on front bar?
Should I switch Axiom to Lich or Shackle or Julianos or literally any other mag set?
Should I swap my S+B for a resto staff with healing ward?


Thanks for sharing

MinarasLaure

This build is effective against npcs.

mursie

Thanks for finally sharing this build from the recent patch. I know i've been asking for a while now because you hit so hard with what seems like only two skills.

appreciate the share. keep them coming!

The_Brosteen

ItsNebula wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

This build. This build...

I'd take my Stam sorc over these builds any day tbh.

You realize everything you have but curse is roll dodgeable right? (Except your ult which is semi-dodgeable - i.e. the CC is)

Oh... No front bar shield?

Ty for the dodge + CC = win

Edit: I've faced this/similar Sorcs before, and as a player whom feels quite versed with sorc and all it's forms (I mean I do have a 24k viewed sorc build) I just don't like this build.

It doesnt matter. The burst is still huge, if you get caught by my flame reach, youre screwed.
And front bar shield? Thats for the worst of the worst of MagSorcs.. no decent MagSorc runs front bar shield.

I mean you can say you're bad if you have a shield on the front bar and all but at the end of the day curse is delayed... I feel like its very reasonable to swap it with one of your shields on the backbar.
Generally speaking, it allows you to maintain pressure light attack weaving and not having to barswap to reapply shields. To me, it makes sense. It's like having a heal on your frontbar on any stam class.

But thats just me

LeifErickson

I understand the benefits of having a shield on your front bar, but putting all your shields on back bar has huge advantages. They are different playstyles and saying it is a necessity to front bar a shield in order to beat good players is simply not true.

Waffennacht

LeifErickson wrote: »

I understand the benefits of having a shield on your front bar, but putting all your shields on back bar has huge advantages. They are different playstyles and saying it is a necessity to front bar a shield in order to beat good players is simply not true.

I would've agreed if you could actually still apply pressure with a sorc.

But seriously roll dodge means only one ability every 3.5 sec will hit.

Very easy to roll dodge and then force a sorc to go backbar and remain backbar; if the initial burst doesn't just 100-0 the sorc

Micah_Bayer

No decent mag sorc runs hardened on front bar...But...What about me? Xc

LeifErickson

Waffennacht wrote: »

LeifErickson wrote: »

I understand the benefits of having a shield on your front bar, but putting all your shields on back bar has huge advantages. They are different playstyles and saying it is a necessity to front bar a shield in order to beat good players is simply not true.

I would've agreed if you could actually still apply pressure with a sorc.

But seriously roll dodge means only one ability every 3.5 sec will hit.

Very easy to roll dodge and then force a sorc to go backbar and remain backbar; if the initial burst doesn't just 100-0 the sorc

Oh I just wanted to make the point that you don't need a shield on front bar. I don't necessarily think the rest of the build is good or bad.

mursie

LeifErickson wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

LeifErickson wrote: »

I understand the benefits of having a shield on your front bar, but putting all your shields on back bar has huge advantages. They are different playstyles and saying it is a necessity to front bar a shield in order to beat good players is simply not true.

I would've agreed if you could actually still apply pressure with a sorc.

But seriously roll dodge means only one ability every 3.5 sec will hit.

Very easy to roll dodge and then force a sorc to go backbar and remain backbar; if the initial burst doesn't just 100-0 the sorc

Oh I just wanted to make the point that you don't need a shield on front bar. I don't necessarily think the rest of the build is good or bad.

I'm glad you made this point. I was worried it wouldn't get made.

Thogard

Should’ve called this build

“Vendetta 2: the Vendeadening”

Missed opportunity, 0/10

Lexxypwns

@del9 I see you

leepalmer95

Hmm.

How are you healing dark conversion?, You only have 11k stam.

Your sustain seem very low, your hp is pretty much, unless you have 1200~ stam regen your stam is very low, thats 2 cc's and your out and no heavy attack from s&b isn't enough. On a class where you have 4s~ to put of dmg before you need to rebuff you can't afford to spam 3 heavys to get to full stam to then dark deal a few times to then have magicka to shield...

Plus engine is nice but it's too rng to completely rely on sustain and to get the effects on necro all the time.

The dmg is high but there are plenty of builds which can stack stats.

ItsNebula

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Hmm.

How are you healing dark conversion?, You only have 11k stam.

Your sustain seem very low, your hp is pretty much, unless you have 1200~ stam regen your stam is very low, thats 2 cc's and your out and no heavy attack from s&b isn't enough. On a class where you have 4s~ to put of dmg before you need to rebuff you can't afford to spam 3 heavys to get to full stam to then dark deal a few times to then have magicka to shield...

Plus engine is nice but it's too rng to completely rely on sustain and to get the effects on necro all the time.

The dmg is high but there are plenty of builds which can stack stats.

SnB gives us stam sustain. Heavy attacking. EG also gives us stam sustain if it procs stam.
I can run this build with 9k and do fine.

This build has enough burst to kill just about every "semi" squishy - squishy player in 1 burst combo, shields are strong enough to last almost the full 6 seconds, usually 4-5 seconds mininum.
Personally, i can swap bars, reapply hardened ward and swap back pretty damn fast, i got animation cancelling down perfect