whelp, sick of Balorgh already

Wing

we have gone from actual 1v1 fights and a back and forth of balancing pressure, buffs, heals, resources, etc. to doing nothing but running away and dancing around till around 500 ult then burst.

btw if you have not messed around I might recommend something like a stam sorc or warden with balorgh, master axes, asylum 2h, and then any decent gear. its the current roll your face across the keyboard of the month.

Jjitsuboy98

Please stop crying about every damn set in this game.

ChefZero

So it's really intended to that the damage gain comes from consumed ult and not what it costs? Or ZOS just failed to fix it?

ak_pvp

If you let someone dance around until 500 then its on you. They have less burst pressure, lose a monster set bonus that could be more active at lower ult costs, and it is also pretty mediocre for outnumbered scenarios, since you want to ult near enough on CD then.

ChefZero wrote: »

So it's really intended to that the damage gain comes from consumed ult and not what it costs? Or ZOS just failed to fix it?

Its intended, a member from the itemization team verified it.

DeadlyRecluse

ChefZero wrote: »

So it's really intended to that the damage gain comes from consumed ult and not what it costs? Or ZOS just failed to fix it?

It's definitely intended to function that way--it reads "ultimate consumed" vs the "per point of the ult's cost" used on sets that scale off of cost.

I don't think it's a particularly balanced set atm, but I do think it's working as intended.

MinuitPro

Face the reality that +1000 damage from a proc is severely unbalanced so it's best done the way it is. +500 for some common charged ultimate abilities is on par with set bonuses so it seems legit to me. I'm sure it'll get nerfed down once someone advertises their rapid ultimate gen damage combo.

Wing

ak_pvp wrote: »

If you let someone dance around until 500 then its on you. They have less burst pressure, lose a monster set bonus that could be more active at lower ult costs, and it is also pretty mediocre for outnumbered scenarios, since you want to ult near enough on CD then.

ChefZero wrote: »

So it's really intended to that the damage gain comes from consumed ult and not what it costs? Or ZOS just failed to fix it?

Its intended, a member from the itemization team verified it.

if someone wants to dance around and not engage in the current meta, they darn well can and there is not much you can do about it. full swift (or only 2 depending on build) imovable / speed / stam pots, and sprinting puts you at the speed cap. and your only giving up a 2 piece monster bonus that's hardly make or break the rest of your build.

as someone who also runs full swift and can hit the move speed cap it is in fact just dancing around, its hard to get any sort of hits in and with the nerfs to defile and defile sets everyone got proxy tanky thanks to heals being amazing again.

its very easy to weave around the environment and los and having no problem healing through the occasional damage that does hit you and simply wait for your 500 ult and then trash anyone still chasing you, and its not like the bonus only lasts a few seconds, its got a 10 sec uptime after ult, that is MORE than enough to 1vX anyone still around you.

this set is dumb because its promoting NOT FIGHTING, people are just running away for a few minutes then fighting for a few seconds then running away again

ChefZero

ak_pvp wrote: »

If you let someone dance around until 500 then its on you. They have less burst pressure, lose a monster set bonus that could be more active at lower ult costs, and it is also pretty mediocre for outnumbered scenarios, since you want to ult near enough on CD then.

Well, balance is an analogy coming from Libra. It's in balance regardless of whether it's 1 gram or 1 ton on both sides. But isn't stil balance in games. Maybe ZOS have to learn that.

TrinityBreaker

Well I have a (serious)question. Lets say Im a bomb blade emp and Im constantly rolling my destro ult and getting 500 ultimate. Will all that spell damge stack from constant use? Like, I roll it 4 times back to back or something aong those lines.

brandonv516

TrinityBreaker wrote: »

Well I have a (serious)question. Lets say Im a bomb blade emp and Im constantly rolling my destro ult and getting 500 ultimate. Will all that spell damge stack from constant use? Like, I roll it 4 times back to back or something aong those lines.

Of course. I didn't see anything mentioned about a cooldown.

SirDopey

MinuitPro wrote: »

Face the reality that +1000 damage from a proc is severely unbalanced so it's best done the way it is. +500 for some common charged ultimate abilities is on par with set bonuses so it seems legit to me. I'm sure it'll get nerfed down once someone advertises their rapid ultimate gen damage combo.

As opposed to say Kena which you can proc willy nilly as opposed to having to wait to build your ulti up?

CatchMeTrolling

How does this set work with werewolf and how long does it last? The latter might be the better question

IZZEFlameLash

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

How does this set work with werewolf and how long does it last? The latter might be the better question

It lasts about 10 seconds but when you transform that is another second or two lost.

CatchMeTrolling

IZZEFlameLash wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

How does this set work with werewolf and how long does it last? The latter might be the better question

It lasts about 10 seconds but when you transform that is another second or two lost.

Oh okay, that’s not that good. You’d think it would favor werewolves but nope.

WaltherCarraway

I melted a magsorc with 12k shooting star yesterday as magsorc with Balorgh. It's amazing on both magsorc and magDK. Haven't tested it out on mageblade though.

Bite me!

KingExecration

I feel like with that set were gonna see a resurface of invigorating drain too, that's what caught my attention on a mag build. I use to love it on mdk.

Stratforge

ak_pvp wrote: »

If you let someone dance around until 500 then its on you. They have less burst pressure, lose a monster set bonus that could be more active at lower ult costs, and it is also pretty mediocre for outnumbered scenarios, since you want to ult near enough on CD then.

ChefZero wrote: »

So it's really intended to that the damage gain comes from consumed ult and not what it costs? Or ZOS just failed to fix it?

Its intended, a member from the itemization team verified it.

Haha this is insane. I couldn't bring myself to care when I thought the set only gave 2x ulti COST but it actually gives 500x2?? That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard ZoS wtf

Rianai

How is it different from turteling until Zaan procs? Except of the lower cd and higher potential dmg from Zaan ...
As long monster sets like Zaan, Skoria, Earthgore, ... exists, any set that gives raw stats instead of dmg/heal procs needs to be "op" to be an equal alternative.

Septimus_Magna

Stratforge wrote: »

ak_pvp wrote: »

If you let someone dance around until 500 then its on you. They have less burst pressure, lose a monster set bonus that could be more active at lower ult costs, and it is also pretty mediocre for outnumbered scenarios, since you want to ult near enough on CD then.

ChefZero wrote: »

So it's really intended to that the damage gain comes from consumed ult and not what it costs? Or ZOS just failed to fix it?

Its intended, a member from the itemization team verified it.

Haha this is insane. I couldn't bring myself to care when I thought the set only gave 2x ulti COST but it actually gives 500x2?? That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard ZoS wtf

You have to be in combat pretty long to save 500 ult so its only strong for a very small percentage of the time.

Its not like you constantly get hit by ults that consume 500 ult points.

DeadlyRecluse

The uptime argument really doesn't work, imo--Balorgh IS pretty balanced in controlled 1 on 1s, or in large, organic fights, BGs, etc. etc....

It's imbalanced for ganking if you save up 500 ult. Wildly so. It's imbalanced for bombing out of stealth. It being pretty balanced in every other context doesn't give it a free pass in two situations where it overperforms.

AsheronRealaidain

I don't even think this set is a huge deal, but everyone should be aware at this point that this is pretty much the norm for new content. New DLC usually has some over-tuned sets that come with it = more incentive for people to buy it. They'll probably balance it down a little towards the end of the year. Have some fun with it while it's new.

Hutch679

Balorg with clever alchemist and bone pirate on a medium stam warden is insanity...... permafrost, clever alchemist proc, bird of prey, deadly cloak, sub assault, steel tornado is just.... unreal... I'm literally wiping entire groups with it in Bgs. 2 quad kills with one ultimate..... it basically will give you 6,000 weapon power with 5,000 spell power for the duration of your permafrost. So not only are you hitting everyone with undodgable hard hitting aoe damage, you also have major protection lol

Rianai

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

The uptime argument really doesn't work, imo--Balorgh IS pretty balanced in controlled 1 on 1s, or in large, organic fights, BGs, etc. etc....

It's imbalanced for ganking if you save up 500 ult. Wildly so. It's imbalanced for bombing out of stealth. It being pretty balanced in every other context doesn't give it a free pass in two situations where it overperforms.

It is not stronger for ganking than Veli, Zaan or Caluurion. And if bombers are an issue, simply stop zerging :P
As long op dmg procs exist, op stat sets should exist too so there are good alternatives for those who don't like the former.

DeadlyRecluse

Rianai wrote: »

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

The uptime argument really doesn't work, imo--Balorgh IS pretty balanced in controlled 1 on 1s, or in large, organic fights, BGs, etc. etc....

It's imbalanced for ganking if you save up 500 ult. Wildly so. It's imbalanced for bombing out of stealth. It being pretty balanced in every other context doesn't give it a free pass in two situations where it overperforms.

It is not stronger for ganking than Veli, Zaan or Caluurion. And if bombers are an issue, simply stop zerging :P
As long op dmg procs exist, op stat sets should exist too so there are good alternatives for those who don't like the former.

I literally use it to bomb and gank.

I think it's a super cool idea for a set. Ultimate pool should be utilized in more creative ways, it's such a core part of gameplay that rarely gets any love--but 1k extra spell/weapon damage on every bomb is over the top (shoutout to the wolves of Cyrodil).

Mrsinister2

Hutch679 wrote: »

Balorg with clever alchemist and bone pirate on a medium stam warden is insanity...... permafrost, clever alchemist proc, bird of prey, deadly cloak, sub assault, steel tornado is just.... unreal... I'm literally wiping entire groups with it in Bgs. 2 quad kills with one ultimate..... it basically will give you 6,000 weapon power with 5,000 spell power for the duration of your permafrost. So not only are you hitting everyone with undodgable hard hitting aoe damage, you also have major protection lol

Pretty sure I ran into one of these in cyro the fight was going well then the stamden somehow gained the power of the Gods and completly nuked me out of nowhere

BaylorCorvette

Hutch679 wrote: »

Balorg with clever alchemist and bone pirate on a medium stam warden is insanity...... permafrost, clever alchemist proc, bird of prey, deadly cloak, sub assault, steel tornado is just.... unreal... I'm literally wiping entire groups with it in Bgs. 2 quad kills with one ultimate..... it basically will give you 6,000 weapon power with 5,000 spell power for the duration of your permafrost. So not only are you hitting everyone with undodgable hard hitting aoe damage, you also have major protection lol

I run this on my StamSorc. Hilariously awesome set up in both CP and no CP.

Waffennacht

You guys do realize a ZoS solution will be to lower total ult possible right?

So this is now a Nerf sorc thread lol

Wing

Waffennacht wrote: »

You guys do realize a ZoS solution will be to lower total ult possible right?

So this is now a Nerf sorc thread lol

meh, I think they left the ratio high on purpose to push sales, it will most likely get reduced to reasonable levels after the initial sale spike is over.

leepalmer95

Looking forward to 100k soul assaulers.

It's 1k unbuffed wpn dmg and spell dmg, people keep stating 1k but they should really do the maths for it properly.

It's 1200 at the very least just with brutality or sorcery.

Medium gets 12%

Classes such a stamplar get extra 6%

Fighters guild etc..


Gonna be great getting melted by soul assaults from magplar heal bots who go from hitting me with 800 dmg sweeps to 4k soul assault ticks.

Waffennacht

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Looking forward to 100k soul assaulers.

It's 1k unbuffed wpn dmg and spell dmg, people keep stating 1k but they should really do the maths for it properly.

It's 1200 at the very least just with brutality or sorcery.

Medium gets 12%

Classes such a stamplar get extra 6%

Fighters guild etc..


Gonna be great getting melted by soul assaults from magplar heal bots who go from hitting me with 800 dmg sweeps to 4k soul assault ticks.

I had 100k pre Bal

But makes me wonder what I can get it to now....

Bal x2
Moon-hunter 3 jewelry 1 body
Alchemist 4 body

Back bar dw alchemist 1 and moon 1, poison slotted

Front bar Torug staff (I think spell dmg modifiers would make the spell dmg worth a bit more than willpower, but if not willpower) Nirn, beserk glyph

Proc everything backbar,
Swap front, 500 ult

Gotta be around 150k I'd guess

ak_pvp

Waffennacht wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Looking forward to 100k soul assaulers.

It's 1k unbuffed wpn dmg and spell dmg, people keep stating 1k but they should really do the maths for it properly.

It's 1200 at the very least just with brutality or sorcery.

Medium gets 12%

Classes such a stamplar get extra 6%

Fighters guild etc..


Gonna be great getting melted by soul assaults from magplar heal bots who go from hitting me with 800 dmg sweeps to 4k soul assault ticks.

I had 100k pre Bal

But makes me wonder what I can get it to now....

Bal x2
Moon-hunter 3 jewelry 1 body
Alchemist 4 body

Back bar dw alchemist 1 and moon 1, poison slotted

Front bar Torug staff (I think spell dmg modifiers would make the spell dmg worth a bit more than willpower, but if not willpower) Nirn, beserk glyph

Proc everything backbar,
Swap front, 500 ult

Gotta be around 150k I'd guess

Front bar maelstrom dw if it still works. Flurry then nuke.