Deserter Penalty Too Harsh

Valrien

I had to log out of the game to fix a bug where I was alive, but could not hit anything and no one could see me (basically I was like a ghost). A party member told me to relog...so I did and now I can't queue for a battleground for 20 minutes.

Can we not get like a grace period to log back in or something?

Shezzarrine

With the amount of crashes this game had, the penalty is absolutely too much, I get they don't want people leaving matches but I bet that most people who get the penalty got it for something other than leaving willfully.

JesQu

Gotta agree with this. I got kicked off the game once for no reason and got 20min penalty.

Aleraon

I only recently started doing battlegrounds and I have to say I agree with the above posts. The amount of times I've been ported into a random battleground and waited for 10 minutes only for nothing to happen, then had to wait a further 20 minutes before being able to try again is ridiculous

jaschacasadiob16_ESO

20 minutes without battlegrounds. Disgrace!

FloppyTouch

Last 10 points of the match my team is doing amazing all solo que people even scores I get kicked from game. Log back in hit with the penalty and didnt get the win. It's really just to much.

Lieblingsjunge

Copying this from the other 4 threads on the forums:

I played in a duo. Got placed against a 3-man premade. The 3 premade ragequit because they lost badly.
The 20 minute deserter penalty is well-deserved. You shouldn't suddenly leave a BG, especially since the 4v4v4 is so important in most cases. Losing one player is rly destructive for the team.

(The BG also closed shortly after, because there weren't enough players in the BG. Does that seem fair to you? That the BG closes for everyone else, just because some people cant handle losing?)

The only time I could agree to not get a deserter penalty - is if you'd get disconnected to login-screen or something. But except that - any force close of the game/disconnect(Pulling the plug) or ragequit *should* have severe penalty.

Too bad innocent gets affected(I've too disconnected from Battlegrounds and gotten the penalty) but i rather wait 20 minutes to queue up again, than to have to deal with ragequitters that can ragequit every BG without any consequenses.

Valrien

Lieblingsjunge wrote: »

Copying this from the other 4 threads on the forums:

I played in a duo. Got placed against a 3-man premade. The 3 premade ragequit because they lost badly.
The 20 minute deserter penalty is well-deserved. You shouldn't suddenly leave a BG, especially since the 4v4v4 is so important in most cases. Losing one player is rly destructive for the team.

(The BG also closed shortly after, because there weren't enough players in the BG. Does that seem fair to you? That the BG closes for everyone else, just because some people cant handle losing?)

The only time I could agree to not get a deserter penalty - is if you'd get disconnected to login-screen or something. But except that - any force close of the game/disconnect(Pulling the plug) or ragequit *should* have severe penalty.

Too bad innocent gets affected(I've too disconnected from Battlegrounds and gotten the penalty) but i rather wait 20 minutes to queue up again, than to have to deal with ragequitters that can ragequit every BG without any consequenses.

So relogging is bad, yes? One should never ever fix a bug that is detrimental to their gameplay?

The fact that you even get kicked immediately if you go offline is ludicrous with how often the game crashes and disconnects, let alone banned from BGs for 20 minutes.

I guarantee the number of people who "ragequit" is far lower than the number of people who disconnect for no apparent reason. The ragequitting is honestly a non-issue.

Yeah, it sure does suck that the Battleground closes when not having enough people...but you're not gonna run into many premades who can't handle losing. Too many innocents get punished compared to the people who deserve it.

Lieblingsjunge

As I said, I rather have innocents punished, than let ragequitters do the same over and over again. And it's not just premades quitting, also solo-players frequently quit. It's too easy to leave the BG early.

And no, it's not ludicrous. Losing 1 member of a BG-team, in a fast-paced game where there's a maximum 15 minute of game-time, is crucial. It's like playing 4v5 in a ranked game of League of Legends. You will rarely, if ever, win against that. Because the equality in numbers *do*matter.

Valrien

Lieblingsjunge wrote: »

As I said, I rather have innocents punished, than let ragequitters do the same over and over again. And it's not just premades quitting, also solo-players frequently quit. It's too easy to leave the BG early.

And no, it's not ludicrous. Losing 1 member of a BG-team, in a fast-paced game where there's a maximum 15 minute of game-time, is crucial. It's like playing 4v5 in a ranked game of League of Legends. You will rarely, if ever, win against that. Because the equality in numbers *do*matter.

The thing is, most of those innocents intend to come back.

You can talk and talk all day about rage quitters, but they are simply not a prevalent population. Besides, it's not like the punishment actually stops rage quitting. People will still do it, they just get punished after the fact after they have already screwed over the people in the BG

LordGavus

It would be nice if you didn't get the penalty for being disconnected. It's only happened a few times but it's super annoying to get kicked from the game and get a 20 minute penalty.
Especially when you team is 10 points away from winning.

Violynne

Valrien wrote: »

I had to log out of the game to fix a bug where I was alive, but could not hit anything and no one could see me (basically I was like a ghost).

I understand your frustration, but as long as the game didn't recognize you as logged out, you should have waited until the battle was over. Your party was aware of your situation, so for better or worse, they had to complete without you.

I don't dispute your issue. Been there myself (actually got knocked into a wall), but rather than quit and face the penalty, I stayed where I was and texted my group what happened.

No one held it against me, which tells me quite a few have probably experienced glitches too.

But never quit, if you can avoid it.

Valrien

Violynne wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

I had to log out of the game to fix a bug where I was alive, but could not hit anything and no one could see me (basically I was like a ghost).

I understand your frustration, but as long as the game didn't recognize you as logged out, you should have waited until the battle was over. Your party was aware of your situation, so for better or worse, they had to complete without you.

I don't dispute your issue. Been there myself (actually got knocked into a wall), but rather than quit and face the penalty, I stayed where I was and texted my group what happened.

No one held it against me, which tells me quite a few have probably experienced glitches too.

But never quit, if you can avoid it.

I've had very limited experience with BGs and never even knew that quitting would lead to an immediate kick and harsh punishment.

My glitch was that one of the addons I regularly play with got disabled somehow (I think the latest patch made it outdated or some such) and I reloaded my UI after I died...when I loaded back in, I was alive and well but I could not attack anyone and I suspect that the enemy teams could not see me because they didn't even attempt to attack me

weedgenius

Lieblingsjunge wrote: »

The only time I could agree to not get a deserter penalty - is if you'd get disconnected to login-screen or something. But except that - any force close of the game/disconnect(Pulling the plug) or ragequit *should* have severe penalty.

Twice today my app crashed in the middle of a battleground and I got hit with a deserter penalty. It's honestly unacceptable that I am literally being penalized for the terrible lag issues of the game/server. Is there no way on ZOS end to tell when your app crashes versus when you deliberately exit a game? Why would this not be something they put effort into addressing? I'm truly starting to feel like I've been scammed.

Jeremy

Valrien wrote: »

I had to log out of the game to fix a bug where I was alive, but could not hit anything and no one could see me (basically I was like a ghost). A party member told me to relog...so I did and now I can't queue for a battleground for 20 minutes.

Can we not get like a grace period to log back in or something?

I sympathize, but deserters are already a fairly common problem, especially in battlegrounds. So any alleviation to the penalty would probably just make a bad problem worse.

Finviuswe

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seherrons

As someone who regularly gets smacked in the face with the deserter penalty after a game crash/disconnect (thank you very much Error CE-34878-0) during BGs, I have to say that I strongly agree that the penalty shouldn't be given to those who have been forced into a logout because of a crash, bug etc. It's annoying and what's more really doesn't feel fair, especially if the situation was out of your control to start with. I sympathise wholeheartedly with you OP and I would also prefer a grace period to log in and get back into the match or join a new one.

That being said, I also agree with others here that those who leave willingly or because they've ragequit are fully deserving of the penalty, because that's just poor form and a show of poor character. All in all it's a tricky situation and it sucks either way no matter how you look at it

starkerealm

Lieblingsjunge wrote: »

Copying this from the other 4 threads on the forums:

I played in a duo. Got placed against a 3-man premade. The 3 premade ragequit because they lost badly.
The 20 minute deserter penalty is well-deserved. You shouldn't suddenly leave a BG, especially since the 4v4v4 is so important in most cases. Losing one player is rly destructive for the team.

(The BG also closed shortly after, because there weren't enough players in the BG. Does that seem fair to you? That the BG closes for everyone else, just because some people cant handle losing?)

The only time I could agree to not get a deserter penalty - is if you'd get disconnected to login-screen or something. But except that - any force close of the game/disconnect(Pulling the plug) or ragequit *should* have severe penalty.

Too bad innocent gets affected(I've too disconnected from Battlegrounds and gotten the penalty) but i rather wait 20 minutes to queue up again, than to have to deal with ragequitters that can ragequit every BG without any consequenses.

There's a pragmatic problem here. There's no real way to distinguish between a "legitimate" disconnect, and someone pulling the plug. In both cases, the client stops responding, but there's no real way for the server to determine cause if the connection simply terminates. Alt-F4ing is a little different, and forcing a process stop is potentially detectable, but someone pulling the plug? That's going to return identical data to someone where their ISP decided to give them the middle finger.

TheShadowScout

Too little Penalty - "What, the fight is going against me? F*** my team, I'm out..."

Average Penalty - "Waaah, I have to wait 20 minutes..."

I mean, its only frigging 20 minutes! Do a daily or something, then BG again!

Or, seeing how this is ZOS... woulde you like to see a "BG penalty reset token" in the crown store for a mere 500 crowns?

Valrien

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Too little Penalty - "What, the fight is going against me? F*** my team, I'm out..."

Average Penalty - "Waaah, I have to wait 20 minutes..."

I mean, its only frigging 20 minutes! Do a daily or something, then BG again!

Or, seeing how this is ZOS... woulde you like to see a "BG penalty reset token" in the crown store for a mere 500 crowns?

20 minutes too long when you are forcefully disconnected with the intent to reconnect

kind_hero

I only leave battlegrounds when the group matching module bugs, and I wait for 10-15 mins to see if anyone else is added to the group. Usually this happens when there is only one player in one of the teams. Two days ago, one team was empty, so we waited like 15 mins, then deserted. 20 mins is to much considering the problems with the system.

weedgenius

Valrien wrote: »

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Too little Penalty - "What, the fight is going against me? F*** my team, I'm out..."

Average Penalty - "Waaah, I have to wait 20 minutes..."

I mean, its only frigging 20 minutes! Do a daily or something, then BG again!

Or, seeing how this is ZOS... woulde you like to see a "BG penalty reset token" in the crown store for a mere 500 crowns?

20 minutes too long when you are forcefully disconnected with the intent to reconnect

Exactly. Any penalty is too long when you’ve been disconnected from server and haven’t INTENTIONALLY done the thing you’re being penalized for.

Feanor

I just love when you sit 30 minutes in the starting area of the arena and the BG just doesn’t start, then you leave and go to Cyro and don’t get any AP there for 15 minutes either. Awesome.

SquareSausage

I got a 20 min ure deserter penalty for a crash in bg. When logged back in I went to cyrodiil until timer was up but I couldn't earn AP for my kills.
I never knew deserter makes it so you can't earn AP at all.

BalticBlues

I was in the winning BG team, running for the daily random reward.
1 minute before the countdown ended, the game crashed on PS4.
I did not only receive no reward, I also received deserter penalty.

Users should not be penalized as "deserters" for ESO crashes.

Jeremy

weedgenius wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Too little Penalty - "What, the fight is going against me? F*** my team, I'm out..."

Average Penalty - "Waaah, I have to wait 20 minutes..."

I mean, its only frigging 20 minutes! Do a daily or something, then BG again!

Or, seeing how this is ZOS... woulde you like to see a "BG penalty reset token" in the crown store for a mere 500 crowns?

20 minutes too long when you are forcefully disconnected with the intent to reconnect

Exactly. Any penalty is too long when you’ve been disconnected from server and haven’t INTENTIONALLY done the thing you’re being penalized for.

But how can the game tell if it was an intentional or unintentional dc?

That's the problem. I don't think anyone here would object to removing the penalty if there was a way to identify it wasn't an intentional disconnect.

Mintaka5

Oh man you guys will complain about anything. You obviously never played Overwatch. If you have repeated disconnects during a match, you can run the risk of being banned from game for 24 hours. Cry us a river!!!

Cpt_Teemo

Mintaka5 wrote: »

Oh man you guys will complain about anything. You obviously never played Overwatch. If you have repeated disconnects during a match, you can run the risk of being banned from game for 24 hours. Cry us a river!!!

Try World of Tanks, they'll perm ban you on first offense if your account isn't Russian

Valrien

Jeremy wrote: »

weedgenius wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Too little Penalty - "What, the fight is going against me? F*** my team, I'm out..."

Average Penalty - "Waaah, I have to wait 20 minutes..."

I mean, its only frigging 20 minutes! Do a daily or something, then BG again!

Or, seeing how this is ZOS... woulde you like to see a "BG penalty reset token" in the crown store for a mere 500 crowns?

20 minutes too long when you are forcefully disconnected with the intent to reconnect

Exactly. Any penalty is too long when you’ve been disconnected from server and haven’t INTENTIONALLY done the thing you’re being penalized for.

But how can the game tell if it was an intentional or unintentional dc?

That's the problem. I don't think anyone here would object to removing the penalty if there was a way to identify it wasn't an intentional disconnect.

The game has a crash reporter, plus if your team is 1st or 2nd place, you're not going to have a reason to disconnect so by extension it's safe to say that there should be no penalty for people who DC in 1st or 2nd place

drkfrontiers

Yip my game crashed three times this week mid-Battle XD - I'm NO DESERTER!!! LOL

flguy147ub17_ESO

The problem is you are found guilty even when you are innocent. That is the problem. Everybody shouldnt be found guilty just because some leave the match willingly. And yes people with busy lives, the 20 minutes is a big deal. Many people only have time for 1 BG a night.