Proposal: Sorc Rework

Urvoth

IMO ZOS should just scrap the entire class system and implement spell crafting, which was talked about way back in 2014 and then datamined pre-Summerset. They obviously already have ideas for it, and many class mains have been complaining about a lack of class identity for awhile now. Spell crafting would make builds way more flexible and make balancing easier since ZOS would only have to balance individual skills, not the way classes counter each other.

bardx86

Valrien wrote: »

Malacthulhu wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Malacthulhu wrote: »

Or just add another class if they are gonna go to that effort and bc essentially that is what you are talking about. You are also basically killing the class it is now just for the sake of pvp content, hasn't the pve community suffered enough of this sillydillness? The trend needs to stop. How about we start nightblade from scratch bc I don't like how it handles in delves. A class not preforming how you want in the content you play does not merit in my opinion a complete rework. I get it rune cage was nerfed boohoo creating a new class won't bring it back lol.

It's not fun in PvE anymore though either. It has a 4-skill rotation.

I basically just disagree with deleting class and starting again from scratch. It is a good starter class for beginners or people with disability issues in regards to using more complicated roatations. I do agree the class can be improved, they all can. Should sorc be at the top of the list for getting that kind of attention? I doubt it, but I could be wrong. You can at least play around with different builds in pve that offer different levels of challenge or a different class with a more complicated rotation especially where you are at the point of hit the delete button on it.

The thing about the rotation is there isn't really any more rotations to try. In PvE there isn't a lot of "let's try this." It's "do x and get y DPS." That's kinda just how it is.

Templar and Sorc should be at the top of the list in terms of reworks because their status as "nerf sponge" has just left them as sad husks. If there's no rework though, I believe the 2 changes that would go the furthest for Sorcs are removing the stacked cost on Bolt Escape and stun back on Frags, along with the hefty damage buff it used to have (there was honestly 0 reason to nerf frags). That would add back more of the classic Sorc playstyle that many people used to deeply love. Warden I believe can still be saved with some tweaks though...I don't think they need a full rework.

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BeefyMrTips

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Valrien wrote: »

BeefyMrTips wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

BeefyMrTips wrote: »

I agree in its current state, they have the spectral bow that can only proc every 5 right? We have frags with a potential every 1-2 abilities proccing it. The bow is the cornerstone to ever magblade which is why higher parsing mnb have a 5 ability roto always hitting that bow. The reason they are that much better is because they are allowed to have a roto that focuses on that, sorcs cant have a roto with a focus on frags because at some point a sorc has to grit their teeth and heavy attack roto instead. Sustain may not fix us completely, but it would be a huge step in the right direction

The thing about Frags is that it's random. You can't plan for Frags. You can plan for Focus.

I agree but that concept goes hand in hand with the idea of mothers sorrow being viable. On a small pull, you are absolutely correct, but from a large enough base to pull from I.E. 6 Mil, Group parse, and Trial Boss fights it would validate itself. And if RNGesus is on your side might strongly outperform a mnb

If that was the case then there would be top Sorc parses bigger than top NB parses. But in every one I'm seen the NB is anywhere from 5-10k+ ahead.

That's because there is no sustain and the roto to do this does not exist/cannot exist without sustain. No sustain, no rotation maximizing frag proc.

Valrien

BeefyMrTips wrote: »

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Valrien wrote: »

BeefyMrTips wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

BeefyMrTips wrote: »

I agree in its current state, they have the spectral bow that can only proc every 5 right? We have frags with a potential every 1-2 abilities proccing it. The bow is the cornerstone to ever magblade which is why higher parsing mnb have a 5 ability roto always hitting that bow. The reason they are that much better is because they are allowed to have a roto that focuses on that, sorcs cant have a roto with a focus on frags because at some point a sorc has to grit their teeth and heavy attack roto instead. Sustain may not fix us completely, but it would be a huge step in the right direction

The thing about Frags is that it's random. You can't plan for Frags. You can plan for Focus.

I agree but that concept goes hand in hand with the idea of mothers sorrow being viable. On a small pull, you are absolutely correct, but from a large enough base to pull from I.E. 6 Mil, Group parse, and Trial Boss fights it would validate itself. And if RNGesus is on your side might strongly outperform a mnb

If that was the case then there would be top Sorc parses bigger than top NB parses. But in every one I'm seen the NB is anywhere from 5-10k+ ahead.

That's because there is no sustain and the roto to do this does not exist/cannot exist without sustain. No sustain, no rotation maximizing frag proc.

With consistent potion usage, balls, various other synergies, and elemental drain you should be able to put out a very consistent rotation.

Sorcerers that have this still fall behind. Even when I don't have to do a single heavy attack I am very far behind my nightblade friends and we have very similar skill levels

BeefyMrTips

You take any test you have seen on youtube and you will notice a sustain issue. MNB get more time performing front bar actions vs Sorcs who have to weave in hvy attacks which is killing the dps

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Viscous119

Valrien wrote: »

Didgerion wrote: »

Sorcs are quite well balanced in non-CP world.

CP is a big balance problem, some builds are profiting from multiple trees while others not so much.

They need first to scrap CP, then sorcs will be just fine, or at least it will be easier to tune up (buff or nerf whatever it takes).

While I agree the CP system is less than stellar. This isn't about Sorc over- or under-performing. I personally believe they are currently under-performing, but that is irrelevant.

The point of this thread is that Sorcerer has been gutted and nerfed for a long time now and simply does not feel anything like it used to. It was damn fun a long time ago and now it just doesn't feel like much more than a shell of what it used to be.

Here yet again, Valrien must have got his butt kicked by a Sorc. But the funny part is..he wants ESO to 'Gut' Sorcs so he can beat them easily and in PvP. Learn to play. There are many player classes that can beat sorcs (if you know how) Clearly, you need advice from somebody.

Valrien

Viscous119 wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Didgerion wrote: »

Sorcs are quite well balanced in non-CP world.

CP is a big balance problem, some builds are profiting from multiple trees while others not so much.

They need first to scrap CP, then sorcs will be just fine, or at least it will be easier to tune up (buff or nerf whatever it takes).

While I agree the CP system is less than stellar. This isn't about Sorc over- or under-performing. I personally believe they are currently under-performing, but that is irrelevant.

The point of this thread is that Sorcerer has been gutted and nerfed for a long time now and simply does not feel anything like it used to. It was damn fun a long time ago and now it just doesn't feel like much more than a shell of what it used to be.

Here yet again, Valrien must have got his butt kicked by a Sorc. But the funny part is..he wants ESO to 'Gut' Sorcs so he can beat them easily and in PvP. Learn to play. There are many player classes that can beat sorcs (if you know how) Clearly, you need advice from somebody.

...have you read my sig?

Or any of my posts?

Where have you gotten that I want Sorc to be nerfed?

Can you even read, friend?