Should DLC/Trial achievements be account wide?

Mureel

Say you cleared on one character, then did speed and no deaths on another, and HM on a 3rd? Or any combination.

Should all those achievements across characters count toward the final reward (skin, memento, personality)?

The rewards outside the title are already account wide anyway, and this would help healers who helped the team learn the ropes or get things like no deaths, people who can play all roles who changed up as needed, to help the group, etc.

No one would be left with 3/4 an achievement done and nothing to show for it.

Regarding titles, they can go only to the character who did the HM, or be account wide. I'm personally indifferent to this.

So should all achievements across account, count toward final reward?

Aliyavana

Other (I put this here in case people have other ideas)

Depends, my stam toons are less likely to see hard trial achievements since mag builds are more forgiving and prefered because shields, but some achievements like flawless conqueror are more impressive on other classes

electromagnets

Other (I put this here in case people have other ideas)

ZoS will never implement account-wide achievements, the lack of it forces an insane amount of playtime, which is invaluable to them.

Mureel

Yes! They should all count, it is the same player after all!

Aliyavana wrote: »

Depends, my stam toons are less likely to see hard trial achievements since mag builds are more forgiving and prefered because shields, but some achievements like flawless conqueror are more impressive on other classes

Aliy, I put for trials and DLC- like group content where you might have to swap roles to help people etc.

Mureel

Yes! They should all count, it is the same player after all!

I offered some good reasons for YES! Votes...

Do any of you NO votes have any reason behind it?

Just curious!

Mureel

Yes! They should all count, it is the same player after all!

electromagnets wrote: »

ZoS will never implement account-wide achievements, the lack of it forces an insane amount of playtime, which is invaluable to them.

THE REWARDS FOR THESE ARE ALREADY ACCOUNT WIDE.

This is DLC and trials; so that player will have played the same number of times give or take, regardless upon which character.

If I run sth 4x on 1 character or 4 x on 4 different characters, I am still logged on and running only those times I needed to make it, unless I am farming gear/bringing others, etc.

You need 4x achievements for final reward for Dungeons, and HM for Trials.

Lark82

Yes! They should all count, it is the same player after all!

I would love all acheivements to be account wide!

Akrimus

No. They should be all attained on one character.

Nah. I don't want to see 3 lvl players with Former Emperor title etc.

Finviuswe

Nope, achievements should not be account wide

ghwaite

No. They should be all attained on one character.

No, no achievement should be account wide let alone trials.

LadyNalcarya

Yes! They should all count, it is the same player after all!

I think all achievements should be account wide. After all, I got those achivements, not the char. The char itself is just a bunch of pixels.

electromagnets wrote: »

ZoS will never implement account-wide achievements, the lack of it forces an insane amount of playtime, which is invaluable to them.

Well, it also works other way around. Adult players often cannot invest "insane amounts of time" so it makes them less interested in achievements which in turn might mean playing less.

Mureel

Yes! They should all count, it is the same player after all!

Akrimus wrote: »

Nah. I don't want to see 3 lvl players with Former Emperor title etc.

@Akrimus
OMG THIS IS ABOUT DLC AND TRIALS! lol!

Please read the post. It is about the final reward over a series of achievements.

Nothing to do with questing/pvp/anything else! xD

Marabornwingrion

Other (I put this here in case people have other ideas)

All achievements in game should be account wide

Mureel

Yes! They should all count, it is the same player after all!

ESO_GOD wrote: »

Nope, achievements should not be account wide

So then you think skins, personalities, and mementos from those achievements should also NOT be account wide?

We are talking literally about Rewards from series of achievements, not Questing etc.

Zer0oo

Yes! They should all count, it is the same player after all!

Sometimes i want to play on another char just for fun but if i need i achievement in on of the dungeons i am almost forced to play on my main.

Merlin13KAGL

Other (I put this here in case people have other ideas)

No, but there should be an account wide summary page.

That way you could quickly check/link clears or achievements from other alts to show player capability and see what you'd like to work on next.

I'd also like to see stats included such as # of deaths, enemies killed, items stolen, number of dungeon/trial clears (by name), combined playtime, etc. Perhaps it could even show # of hours in specific content, like which 4-man/BG/Trial you've spent the majority of your time in.

They clearly track in on the Dev side, would be interesting to see personal stats, just because.

Cr4p0w3

Yes! They should all count, it is the same player after all!

Group content should be Acount wide.
I agree with the OP.

GuyNamedSean

No. They should be all attained on one character.

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

No, but there should be an account wide summary page.

That way you could quickly check/link clears or achievements from other alts to show player capability and see what you'd like to work on next.

I'd also like to see stats included such as # of deaths, enemies killed, items stolen, number of dungeon/trial clears (by name), combined playtime, etc. Perhaps it could even show # of hours in specific content, like which 4-man/BG/Trial you've spent the majority of your time in.

They clearly track in on the Dev side, would be interesting to see personal stats, just because.

I agree pretty strongly with this sentiment. The rewards for achievements are already account wide. The point of combo achievements like OP is referring to is for them to be acquired on a single character. That's what makes them so challenging.

LadyNalcarya

Yes! They should all count, it is the same player after all!

GuyNamedSean wrote: »

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

No, but there should be an account wide summary page.

That way you could quickly check/link clears or achievements from other alts to show player capability and see what you'd like to work on next.

I'd also like to see stats included such as # of deaths, enemies killed, items stolen, number of dungeon/trial clears (by name), combined playtime, etc. Perhaps it could even show # of hours in specific content, like which 4-man/BG/Trial you've spent the majority of your time in.

They clearly track in on the Dev side, would be interesting to see personal stats, just because.

I agree pretty strongly with this sentiment. The rewards for achievements are already account wide. The point of combo achievements like OP is referring to is for them to be acquired on a single character. That's what makes them so challenging.

Yeah, so very challenging. Especially when you main a templar healer and everyone is looking for 3 dd groups for dungeons.
Such challenge, much wow.
Or when trial groups are packed with nb dds and dds of other classes are kinda forced to use alts. That is indeed very challenging.

Tai-Chi

No. They should be all attained on one character.

I would be quite content with no achievements being account wide and that, of course, includes those won by Characters for completing Trials and DLC Dungeon content.

LadyNalcarya (at No 11) wrote

"I think all achievements should be account wide. After all, I got those achivements, not the char. The char itself is just a bunch of pixels."

In reply, I contend that:

The character might be "just a bunch of pixels" but it is the player's skill and ability to organise those pixels that is in question here.

Just because the player was successful on a particular race and class, does not necessarily mean that they would have the same success with a different race and class. For that matter, the player might even have been carried - to a greater or lesser extent - in gaining the achievement/s.

• Weapon choices
• Armour choices
• Jewellery choices
• Style traits
• Enchantment choices
• CP allocation
• Foods
• Potions and/or poisons
• Active skill choices
• Passive skill allocation
• Skill rotations - competence in playing

The above are some of the factors that need to be taken into account in creating a successful build [Pixels] for the harder content.

By granting an account wide accolade to the player - and not the character - would be a deception that goes to devalue the skill and competence of those players who have truly mastered their 'pixel organising' skills and game-play on various races, classes and builds.

profundidob16_ESO

Other (I put this here in case people have other ideas)

Mureel wrote: »

Say you cleared on one character, then did speed and no deaths on another, and HM on a 3rd? Or any combination.

Should all those achievements across characters count toward the final reward (skin, memento, personality)?

The rewards outside the title are already account wide anyway, and this would help healers who helped the team learn the ropes or get things like no deaths, people who can play all roles who changed up as needed, to help the group, etc.

No one would be left with 3/4 an achievement done and nothing to show for it.

Regarding titles, they can go only to the character who did the HM, or be account wide. I'm personally indifferent to this.

So should all achievements across account, count toward final reward?

Yes, every the achievement should show an all chars account-wide and it should show for each achievement exactly which chars you completed it on. This way you'll be able to prove on your healer that you completed specific content on your tank before and therefore know general tactics but at the same time everyone will be able to see that you might not know the specific healing role well enough to complete it. (Just an example)

Ecara

Yes! They should all count, it is the same player after all!

That is a difficult topic.

I am absolutly a fan of the idea of accountwide achievments, but I know, that there are many players, who disagree with it.
There were a lot of discussions i read through the years and ZOS is really quiet about that topic.

But there were 3 positions againts accountwide achievments, that i read really often:

1. Hardcore farmer, who really enjoy farming all of the achievments, because every char has its on history or they simply enjoy it , etc, etc.
   
2. Progress player, who seem to be so proud of there achievements, that they dont want others to get them by doing the "easy" job during the raid and then have these achievements on other chars
   
3. Player, who want to check the abilities of new players in there guilds by checking, which achievment they already got.

You could easily work on those points, with listing the names of the chars, who really earned that achievment, etc. etc. there were a lot of good suggestions about that, but ZOS didn't say anything about that. (as far as i know)

Elsonso

No. They should be all attained on one character.

Aside from the point of an RPG being that it is the character, not the player, that is important...

Same player, yes, but with different construction and conditions. How do we know they can do it again? Or, with that particular build?

LadyNalcarya

Yes! They should all count, it is the same player after all!

Tai-Chi wrote: »

I would be quite content with no achievements being account wide and that, of course, includes those won by Characters for completing Trials and DLC Dungeon content.

LadyNalcarya (at No 11) wrote

"I think all achievements should be account wide. After all, I got those achivements, not the char. The char itself is just a bunch of pixels."

In reply, I contend that:

The character might be "just a bunch of pixels" but it is the player's skill and ability to organise those pixels that is in question here.

Just because the player was successful on a particular race and class, does not necessarily mean that they would have the same success with a different race and class. For that matter, the player might even have been carried - to a greater or lesser extent - in gaining the achievement/s.

• Weapon choices
• Armour choices
• Jewellery choices
• Style traits
• Enchantment choices
• CP allocation
• Foods
• Potions and/or poisons
• Active skill choices
• Passive skill allocation
• Skill rotations - competence in playing

The above are some of the factors that need to be taken into account in creating a successful build [Pixels] for the harder content.

By granting an account wide accolade to the player - and not the character - would be a deception that goes to devalue the skill and competence of those players who have truly mastered their 'pixel organising' skills and game-play on various races, classes and builds.

Well, pretty much all good players I know can play multiple roles and classes. Sometimes it's kinda nessesary, with all the meta shifts and stuff.
Core principles are still the same regardless of what class/role you're playing. You still have to know the mechanics, maintain high uptimes of your abilities etc. It's not like playing as a tank (for example) means free achievements.
And players who can be deceived by titles and achievements arent really worth their salt tbh. Everyone knows that people sell accounts and trial runs, not to mention rampant exploiting. Trial groups will judge your performance, not your achievement collection.

LadyNalcarya

Yes! They should all count, it is the same player after all!

lordrichter wrote: »

Aside from the point of an RPG being that it is the character, not the player, that is important...

Same player, yes, but with different construction and conditions. How do we know they can do it again? Or, with that particular build?

But what about a dk that cleared all trials as a tank and then decided to switch to dd? It might be his first run as a dd, for example.

Sparr0w

Yes! They should all count, it is the same player after all!

I aint got half the achievements I should have due to swapping role mid way thru. I usually start as a DD and if needed swap to a tank or healer.

ZeroXFF

Yes! They should all count, it is the same player after all!

All achievements should be account wide by default and all their rewards should be too. And for those who use achievements to track character progress, they should be able to tick a checkbox in the achievements window to show only character achievements.

Cpt_Teemo

Yes! They should all count, it is the same player after all!

Consumeables should also be account wide cause of all the miss clicks

Tryxus

No. They should be all attained on one character.

You've gotten those achievements on one of your chars. Bravo! It shows your dedication and mastery of that char's class and role...

But can you do the same with another class? That's the achievement

LadyNalcarya

Yes! They should all count, it is the same player after all!

Tryxus wrote: »

You've gotten those achievements on one of your chars. Bravo! It shows your dedication and mastery of that char's class and role...

But can you do the same with another class? That's the achievement

It would be the case if classes wouldnt be able to play multiple roles and if race changes didnt exist. But its not.
I can easily change my healer into a stamplar and still wear my voice of reason title, even thought I've never done vAS as stamina char...

Valrien

Akrimus wrote: »

Nah. I don't want to see 3 lvl players with Former Emperor title etc.

While the topic is about PvE in particular...why not? That player put the same amount of time and effort into being an Emporer, why not be allowed to use the title?