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Should DLC/Trial achievements be account wide?
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ZeroXFF✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes! They should all count, it is the same player after all!You've gotten those achievements on one of your chars. Bravo! It shows your dedication and mastery of that char's class and role...
But can you do the same with another class? That's the achievement
You can do one achievement with your stam DK tanking and another being a DD. What's different from having completed those achievements on one char that is a tank and another char that is a DD? -
LordWenzel✭✭✭Yes! They should all count, it is the same player after all!All achievements should be account wide.You've gotten those achievements on one of your chars. Bravo! It shows your dedication and mastery of that char's class and role...
But can you do the same with another class? That's the achievement
I have vMA achievement on my magNB, but i never completed that on magNB So? How's that?
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LadyNalcarya✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes! They should all count, it is the same player after all!
It wouldnt if they would also keep an optional tab for character-specific achievements.Dro-m'Athra Destroyer | Divayth Fyr's Coadjutor | Voice of Reason
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Finviuswe✭✭✭✭LadyNalcarya wrote: »
It wouldnt if they would also keep an optional tab for character-specific achievements.
you can pursue that if you want, I'm sure there's a sizable number of people who would like that -
ChuckyPayne✭✭✭✭Yes! They should all count, it is the same player after all!I'm sad to see a topic like this. I feel this is dead horse.
Yes this is about trial/dungeons but I would like all achievement account-wide but IMO ZOS never will do this.
That would be awesome. I would play with greater pleasure with my alts.
Actual problem.
- Summerset: Complete 50 Abyssal Geysers. I do all one time only 6, need more 44. That would be awesome if I do with my alt s thats counts. The gind feeling thus is zero.
- Other more painful problem: Harvest 100 units of ochre. My main has bad luck with ochre. I'm wandering aimlessly in the areas because of the achievement, rather than playing with the alts. That would be awesome if I play with my alts that achievements counts too. The gind feeling thus is zero. I collect surverys with my main and try to find platinum once, but with an alt have more opportuninty collect survey + collect lorebooks + explore + platinum once.
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Elsonso✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No. They should be all attained on one character.LadyNalcarya wrote: »lordrichter wrote: »Aside from the point of an RPG being that it is the character, not the player, that is important...
Same player, yes, but with different construction and conditions. How do we know they can do it again? Or, with that particular build?
But what about a dk that cleared all trials as a tank and then decided to switch to dd? It might be his first run as a dd, for example.
Good point. When you respec your character, existing achievements like that need to be cleared. Never going to happen, but it make sense. -
Saturn✭✭✭✭✭
✭Other (I put this here in case people have other ideas)I personally think all achievements should be account-wide. Same with Cyrodiil progression. It sucks being punished for playing many different toons. -
Ecara✭✭✭Yes! They should all count, it is the same player after all!This problem always shows up, when you want to start a new character.
You do not have to start a new character with 0 CP, so why with 0 achievments?
I love this game, really. i would like to start other characters, just, like others said, trying diffrent roles in groups, etc.
but only the thought of Re-Doing all of those achievments really frightens me, so that i dont want to try it.
And I know , that I am not the only one, even if many of u guys probably think, that this is stupid. -
Katahdin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes! They should all count, it is the same player after all!I used to think they should stay character based, but I have since changed my mind.
With the current, blatant bias against stamina in both the design of dungeons and trials, and from the playerbase for easy mode magicka builds, I now feel all titles and achievements should be account wide.
After all, it is me, the player that has completed the achievement, not the character. The character would not have done it without my dedication to learning the content, as well as researching, building and practicing the build.
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EvilAutoTech✭✭✭✭✭
✭No. They should be all attained on one character.While I don't want my achievements to be account wide, I would not mind if there was an option for other people to have it that way.
I only want mine separate because to me, each character is a different person. I feel like they are friends who I've had different adventures with.
My insanity should not affect millions (if you believe that) of other players.
Edited due to the fact that the missing word completely changed the meaning of the sentence.Edited by EvilAutoTech on August 20, 2018 6:44PM -
smacky✭✭✭No. They should be all attained on one character.I said no, because, getting an achiuevement as a healer is different to getting it a sa DPS.
The busts can be placed in your house to show you have completed it, but it feels rewarding to get that achievement as different classes.
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Mureel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Yes! They should all count, it is the same player after all!Merlin13KAGL wrote: »No, but there should be an account wide summary page.
That way you could quickly check/link clears or achievements from other alts to show player capability and see what you'd like to work on next.
I'd also like to see stats included such as # of deaths, enemies killed, items stolen, number of dungeon/trial clears (by name), combined playtime, etc. Perhaps it could even show # of hours in specific content, like which 4-man/BG/Trial you've spent the majority of your time in.
They clearly track in on the Dev side, would be interesting to see personal stats, just because.
@Merlin13KAGL
That also sounds cool actually! Like inventory insight, but achievements! -
Mureel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Yes! They should all count, it is the same player after all!I aint got half the achievements I should have due to swapping role mid way thru. I usually start as a DD and if needed swap to a tank or healer.
@Sparr0w
This! When the tank is having a bad time, people are all Izzy can you tank? MKay. And same for healer. Healer having a bad day? Okay I'll swap.
Not to mention I get done out of weekly coffers this way so often xD
At least you can't swing a chicken without smacking a decent DPS, so though I can magblade, I don't often have to xDEdited by Mureel on August 20, 2018 7:23PM -
themaddaedra✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes! They should all count, it is the same player after all!Just here to say goodluck telling peeps about it, they'll judge you relying on their 3k ach points
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Mureel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Yes! They should all count, it is the same player after all!LadyNalcarya wrote: »lordrichter wrote: »Aside from the point of an RPG being that it is the character, not the player, that is important...
Same player, yes, but with different construction and conditions. How do we know they can do it again? Or, with that particular build?
@LadyNalcarya
But what about a dk that cleared all trials as a tank and then decided to switch to dd? It might be his first run as a dd, for example.
Or especially the other way! Your magDK sucks but it was good when you cleared X? Or you were a DK healer and cleared X?
This certainly does *not* mean you can tank X!
Sure, maybe you can - but rock on up to VHOF on a freshly made tank and try it ;-) -
sevomd69✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes! They should all count, it is the same player after all!I would be quite content with no achievements being account wide and that, of course, includes those won by Characters for completing Trials and DLC Dungeon content.
LadyNalcarya (at No 11) wrote
"I think all achievements should be account wide. After all, I got those achivements, not the char. The char itself is just a bunch of pixels."
In reply, I contend that:
The character might be "just a bunch of pixels" but it is the player's skill and ability to organise those pixels that is in question here.
Just because the player was successful on a particular race and class, does not necessarily mean that they would have the same success with a different race and class. For that matter, the player might even have been carried - to a greater or lesser extent - in gaining the achievement/s.- Weapon choices
- Armour choices
- Jewellery choices
- Style traits
- Enchantment choices
- CP allocation
- Foods
- Potions and/or poisons
- Active skill choices
- Passive skill allocation
- Skill rotations - competence in playing
By granting an account wide accolade to the player - and not the character - would be a deception that goes to devalue the skill and competence of those players who have truly mastered their 'pixel organising' skills and game-play on various races, classes and builds.
What if all my toons were Khajit NB's? Then by your logic for my account it should be account wide...
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Mureel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Yes! They should all count, it is the same player after all!
@Tai-ChiI would be quite content with no achievements being account wide and that, of course, includes those won by Characters for completing Trials and DLC Dungeon content.
LadyNalcarya (at No 11) wrote
"I think all achievements should be account wide. After all, I got those achivements, not the char. The char itself is just a bunch of pixels."
In reply, I contend that:
The character might be "just a bunch of pixels" but it is the player's skill and ability to organise those pixels that is in question here.
Just because the player was successful on a particular race and class, does not necessarily mean that they would have the same success with a different race and class. For that matter, the player might even have been carried - to a greater or lesser extent - in gaining the achievement/s.- Weapon choices
- Armour choices
- Jewellery choices
- Style traits
- Enchantment choices
- CP allocation
- Foods
- Potions and/or poisons
- Active skill choices
- Passive skill allocation
- Skill rotations - competence in playing
By granting an account wide accolade to the player - and not the character - would be a deception that goes to devalue the skill and competence of those players who have truly mastered their 'pixel organising' skills and game-play on various races, classes and builds.
But if as in my example, we're already showing we can clear on all different chars; just we get asked to do X on X or Y on Y: then it's already known that we can indeed clear on different roles.
If I can clear a no deaths on a tank or DPS and HM on a healer or tank, then I can do speed mode on anything....if that makes sense! -
Mureel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Yes! They should all count, it is the same player after all!LadyNalcarya wrote: »GuyNamedSean wrote: »Merlin13KAGL wrote: »No, but there should be an account wide summary page.
That way you could quickly check/link clears or achievements from other alts to show player capability and see what you'd like to work on next.
I'd also like to see stats included such as # of deaths, enemies killed, items stolen, number of dungeon/trial clears (by name), combined playtime, etc. Perhaps it could even show # of hours in specific content, like which 4-man/BG/Trial you've spent the majority of your time in.
They clearly track in on the Dev side, would be interesting to see personal stats, just because.
I agree pretty strongly with this sentiment. The rewards for achievements are already account wide. The point of combo achievements like OP is referring to is for them to be acquired on a single character. That's what makes them so challenging.
Yeah, so very challenging. Especially when you main a templar healer and everyone is looking for 3 dd groups for dungeons.
Such challenge, much wow.
Or when trial groups are packed with nb dds and dds of other classes are kinda forced to use alts. That is indeed very challenging.
@LadyNalcarya
*Operatically* Thiiiiiiiis! -
Mureel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Yes! They should all count, it is the same player after all!Nah. I don't want to see 3 lvl players with Former Emperor title etc.
@Akrimus Also, I never mentioned titles except to say that they can stay with the HM or whatever.
Given that this topic is literally only about series of achievements in pve, I specifically mentioned final rewards. Skins, personalities, mementos. -
KnightVISoul ShrivenYes! They should all count, it is the same player after all!I think it should perhaps be optional to set a main and alternate character that progress is account wide across.
I'd like to play multiple characters for a change, but there is no way I have time to do everything on even 2 of them. -
sevomd69✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes! They should all count, it is the same player after all!EvilAutoTech wrote: »While I don't want my achievements to be account wide, I would not mind if there was an option for other people to have it that way.
I only want mine separate because to me, each character is a different person. I feel like they are friends who I've had different adventures with.
My insanity should not affect millions (if you believe that) of other players.
Edited due to the fact that the missing word completely changed the meaning of the sentence.
So I guess you don't use the CP that was earned by your other toons? -
Tai-Chi✭✭✭✭No. They should be all attained on one character.I would be quite content with no achievements being account wide and that, of course, includes those won by Characters for completing Trials and DLC Dungeon content.
LadyNalcarya (at No 11) wrote
"I think all achievements should be account wide. After all, I got those achivements, not the char. The char itself is just a bunch of pixels."
In reply, I contend that:
The character might be "just a bunch of pixels" but it is the player's skill and ability to organise those pixels that is in question here.
Just because the player was successful on a particular race and class, does not necessarily mean that they would have the same success with a different race and class. For that matter, the player might even have been carried - to a greater or lesser extent - in gaining the achievement/s.- Weapon choices
- Armour choices
- Jewellery choices
- Style traits
- Enchantment choices
- CP allocation
- Foods
- Potions and/or poisons
- Active skill choices
- Passive skill allocation
- Skill rotations - competence in playing
By granting an account wide accolade to the player - and not the character - would be a deception that goes to devalue the skill and competence of those players who have truly mastered their 'pixel organising' skills and game-play on various races, classes and builds.
What if all my toons were Khajit NB's? Then by your logic for my account it should be account wide...
No, not at all.
Even if your Khajiits had identical builds, no two runs will be exactly the same. In a Trial it is a team effort. Your success or failure will depend on the skill and competence of the other 11 players and not just your own. One Khajiit's team effort might get the highest accolades and the other's might fail miserably.
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LadyNalcarya✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes! They should all count, it is the same player after all!No. Just because you can DPS vet hardmode trials doesnt mean you should be able to display the title on a tank that has never been there. Especially if you have never tanked the dungeon/trial at all. It's kind of misleading
Eh, you can do that even without account wide achievements. Respecs and/or race changes exist.Dro-m'Athra Destroyer | Divayth Fyr's Coadjutor | Voice of Reason
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Valrien✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭"Just because you did them as a DPS doesnt mean you can do them as anything else?"
Who cares? If you respec that char you'll have the achievement still. This alone defeats your entire argumentValrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
Garahel Dravic -- Level 50 Bosmeri Nightblade (EP)Tamriel Unlimited was a mistake. One Tamriel was a bigger mistake -
StormChaser3000✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes! They should all count, it is the same player after all!Yes. I can't imagine redoing 100h grind/quests for hard to get titles, or keep gathering motif page achievements on all alts... -
Mureel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Yes! They should all count, it is the same player after all!No. Just because you can DPS vet hardmode trials doesnt mean you should be able to display the title on a tank that has never been there. Especially if you have never tanked the dungeon/trial at all. It's kind of misleading
@jaws343
Reread plox. I only said that titles can be reserved to the char who gets the HM or not. IDC.
This is NOT about titles.
This is about final rewards for a series of achievements.
The same things which are already account wide, if completed on one character.
If the reward is already available account wide (as in your lvl 3 whatever can wear your VAS skin) then it makes sense that if you did the 2-4 ach required for those rewards, should also count account wide.
Or, FINE then! If the 2-4 ach must be done on ONE character, then the corresponding collectibles should only be available on that character.Edited by Mureel on August 21, 2018 5:11PM -
EvilAutoTech✭✭✭✭✭
✭No. They should be all attained on one character.EvilAutoTech wrote: »While I don't want my achievements to be account wide, I would not mind if there was an option for other people to have it that way.
I only want mine separate because to me, each character is a different person. I feel like they are friends who I've had different adventures with.
My insanity should not affect millions (if you believe that) of other players.
Edited due to the fact that the missing word completely changed the meaning of the sentence.
So I guess you don't use the CP that was earned by your other toons?
I do but I would fully support all toons getting their own CP and enlightenment. I had a blast at low CP with my main. I didn't get a second toon to 50 until my main was over 300. I have soon much CP 10 to CP 140 mats that I only use for other players.
