Generally speaking, I see Sorcerers stack Hardened Ward with either Harness Magicka or Healing Ward. So why arent magicka DKs, Templars, NBs or Wardens stacking Harness and Healing Ward?
Could it be because those classes have better alternatives? DKs have Wings and good heal from their Leash and Battle Roar, NBs have HoTs, cloak and shades, Templars have good self-heal and Wardens also come with good self-HoT and Crystallized Shield.
Lets keep the discussion civil so we can come up with a result to the Class Representatives
Healing Ward is pretty useless at full health and too expensive to be spammed. Harness is a rather small shield and Dampen is hard to sustain. Sorcs can combine one big (and relatively cheap) shield with the sustain from Harness. Other classes can't.
That being said, for dueling with CP (maybe noCP too, idk) i think shields are better for a magblade (with Necro) than cloak, because those allow offense and defense at the same time, though heavy armor with lots of healing might still be better. As soon there is more than 1 enemy Cloak becomes superior to more shields or heals though. Templars and DKs have a harder time at stacking max magicka (no class magicka bonus, no pet to proc Necro), and their passives synergize better with heavy armor, heals, block - all things that don't mix well with shields.
Coz, 1 Hardened Ward kinda equal to Harness and Healing combined?
leepalmer95 wrote: »They're really not OP.
Anyone who still cries about them obviously doesn't play the class or isn't a good player.
With the amount of free dmg in this game, 3-4 average players will melt a sorc just because of proc sets and things like dot poisons.
Shields are strong 1v1 and maybe 1v2 depending on who is attacking but they scale horribly with more people unlike things like heavy armour or dodge roll.
Tbh, im not playing shield char so dont really have good understanding, but imo shieldstacking is ok, maybe a bit overperforming in 1v1 and hardly underperforming in outnumbered situations (talking from noncp perspective). Problem is i dont really have idea how to fix it. Just trying to highlight problem.
Because the other classes don't have great class shields. Sorc does, so playing to that strength is a good move for a sorc.
Tbh, im not playing shield char so dont really have good understanding, but imo shieldstacking is ok, maybe a bit overperforming in 1v1 and hardly underperforming in outnumbered situations (talking from noncp perspective). Problem is i dont really have idea how to fix it. Just trying to highlight problem.
Bolded part reveals bias. Ofc bleedblade will tell that shieldstacking in non CP is perfectly fine but the truth is shields are the weakest form of defense in non CP.
This is one of the issues with shields in general that they can be overpowered in CP and underpowered in non CP in the fight between the same characters.
Generally speaking, I see Sorcerers stack Hardened Ward with either Harness Magicka or Healing Ward. So why arent magicka DKs, Templars, NBs or Wardens stacking Harness and Healing Ward?
Could it be because those classes have better alternatives? DKs have Wings and good heal from their Leash and Battle Roar, NBs have HoTs, cloak and shades, Templars have good self-heal and Wardens also come with good self-HoT and Crystallized Shield.
Lets keep the discussion civil so we can come up with a result to the Class Representatives
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Priyasekarssk wrote: »
The_Outsider wrote: »It's just because of the existence of hardened ward really (TL;DR)
1 cheap, big shield for all purpose use + 1 smaller, hyper-efficient shield for sustain + 1 expensive, execute resistant shield that can pop your health back up
^many of the better 1vX type sorcs that still run around rock the triple shield. This combo is 1 reason why the sorc shield stack is so strong-- they have the option of dropping healing ward, cause the combo of the first two are strong enough for many situations by themselves. Conversely with access to only harness/dampen + healing ward, other classes don't have enough shield to keep above execute threshold, which forces more healing wards, which kills the mag pool, which kills them.
having the best shield makes sorcs synergize the best with max magicka. this makes msorcs the most efficient class out there and is another reason why the shield stack is so strong-- 1 stat that maximizes damage and defense simultaneously. The fewer things you have to build for the better you can be at those few things.
we all know this stuff mostly, msorc shield mechanics are known, but I thought I'd type it anyway^ see TL;DR
Not at home so can't confirm atm, but I believe it's cheap in relation to the other shields available.Hardened Ward isn't that cheap.
The_Outsider wrote: »It's just because of the existence of hardened ward really (TL;DR)
1 cheap, big shield for all purpose use + 1 smaller, hyper-efficient shield for sustain + 1 expensive, execute resistant shield that can pop your health back up
^many of the better 1vX type sorcs that still run around rock the triple shield. This combo is 1 reason why the sorc shield stack is so strong-- they have the option of dropping healing ward, cause the combo of the first two are strong enough for many situations by themselves. Conversely with access to only harness/dampen + healing ward, other classes don't have enough shield to keep above execute threshold, which forces more healing wards, which kills the mag pool, which kills them.
having the best shield makes sorcs synergize the best with max magicka. this makes msorcs the most efficient class out there and is another reason why the shield stack is so strong-- 1 stat that maximizes damage and defense simultaneously. The fewer things you have to build for the better you can be at those few things.
we all know this stuff mostly, msorc shield mechanics are known, but I thought I'd type it anyway^ see TL;DR
Yeah, that's just not true. Pulling base cost off a build website we have:Micah_Bayer wrote: »The_Outsider wrote: »It's just because of the existence of hardened ward really (TL;DR)
1 cheap, big shield for all purpose use + 1 smaller, hyper-efficient shield for sustain + 1 expensive, execute resistant shield that can pop your health back up
^many of the better 1vX type sorcs that still run around rock the triple shield. This combo is 1 reason why the sorc shield stack is so strong-- they have the option of dropping healing ward, cause the combo of the first two are strong enough for many situations by themselves. Conversely with access to only harness/dampen + healing ward, other classes don't have enough shield to keep above execute threshold, which forces more healing wards, which kills the mag pool, which kills them.
having the best shield makes sorcs synergize the best with max magicka. this makes msorcs the most efficient class out there and is another reason why the shield stack is so strong-- 1 stat that maximizes damage and defense simultaneously. The fewer things you have to build for the better you can be at those few things.
we all know this stuff mostly, msorc shield mechanics are known, but I thought I'd type it anyway^ see TL;DR
All shields are about the same cost.