RE: PC/Mac Patch Notes v4.1.5 - Wolfhunter & Update 19

Onigar

All in all for me it looks like a good job.

There is a lot of work here as there is in many of the larger patches but what for me stands out is the quality of the description on the changes.

Only words i have for on this point are; Great and Well Done!

Some things I would like to highlight are,

• Respeccing of Skill Points now lets you adjust your current setup rather than clearing it altogether and forcing you to start again.
• Curing Vampirism will also now refund any skill points you have set in this skill line (although I did not see a similar statement for Werewolf I assume the same is true).
• In Cyrodiil Keep Resources being taken by an enemy faction will reduce the defensive value of the Keep Walls, Main Door and Guards (Mine for walls and Lumber Mill for doors, Farm for Guards). The time for the reduction is now set at 5 minutes so if a Resource is flipped and you gain it back within 5 minutes then although not specifically mentioned it makes logical sense there will be no change to the Keep.
• Housing. This is great. For all those owners tired of visitors coming in and adjusting lighting and other interactables there is now a new category "Limited Visitor". Just the same as Visitor exept they have no interaction privileges.

I know there is a ton of other things but for me these points stood out.

Have a read at the patch notes, you know you want to ....

Feanor

It's a good PvE QoL patch. For PvP not so much. But alas that's the M.O. these days.

MaleAmazon

The problem with PvP patching is that, regardless of patch changes, some vocal portion of the PvP community will complain that the balance is now crap and that 'ZoS hates *class X*'. It´s just the portion of the community that changes. This applies to all possible balance changes.

This process repeats itself in an infinite regress until the end of the universe or the dismantling of the ESO servers, whichever comes first.

jcm2606

Haven't checked the patch out yet, did they fix the issue of skill respecs still costing the full amount of gold? On the PTS it still costs the full amount of gold, regardless of whether you've only reset one skill or reset them all.

maboleth

+1 for me also. Not only great overall QoL improvements, PVP got QoL and update changes too.

But yeah, hearing people complain about _anything_ is so dejavu. So nothing new. But big thums up so far for this patch!

Feanor

MaleAmazon wrote: »

The problem with PvP patching is that, regardless of patch changes, some vocal portion of the PvP community will complain that the balance is now crap and that 'ZoS hates *class X*'. It´s just the portion of the community that changes. This applies to all possible balance changes.

This process repeats itself in an infinite regress until the end of the universe or the dismantling of the ESO servers, whichever comes first.

I disagree. It's rather that people have the feeling that they are neglected because ZOS keeps telling they are going to tackle class balance "next update" since Dragon Bones at least, and Cyrodiil is essentially the same since 4 years now with no real fix for the performance issues and the bugs (hello invisible keep walls) in the foreseeable future.

PouletRico

jcm2606 wrote: »

Haven't checked the patch out yet, did they fix the issue of skill respecs still costing the full amount of gold? On the PTS it still costs the full amount of gold, regardless of whether you've only reset one skill or reset them all.

This wasn't an issue, it was meant, and it's live right now.

MaleAmazon

QoL is really nice. Just that trash loot objects now show up with coin icon so I can sort and sell them off immediately without having to go into miscellaneous.. it´s the little things.

Strider__Roshin

Feanor wrote: »

It's a good PvE QoL patch. For PvP not so much. But alas that's the M.O. these days.

Depends on who you ask lol

Tandor

With the QoL changes to housing and respecs, along with the considerable changes to jewelry crafting and other stuff like werewolf changes etc, it shows that the developers read the forums and respond to player feedback. It'd be great if that brought an end to the "It's not Crown items so ZOS don't care" nonsense that fills the forums these days, but sadly I doubt that will ever happen!

Ydrisselle

PouletRico wrote: »

jcm2606 wrote: »

Haven't checked the patch out yet, did they fix the issue of skill respecs still costing the full amount of gold? On the PTS it still costs the full amount of gold, regardless of whether you've only reset one skill or reset them all.

This wasn't an issue, it was meant, and it's live right now.

And it's dumb. I think it should not be the same if you resets 2 points or 400...

jcm2606

PouletRico wrote: »

jcm2606 wrote: »

Haven't checked the patch out yet, did they fix the issue of skill respecs still costing the full amount of gold? On the PTS it still costs the full amount of gold, regardless of whether you've only reset one skill or reset them all.

This wasn't an issue, it was meant, and it's live right now.

This makes zero sense, though. You're not changing all skills or morphs, so you shouldn't have to pay the gold amount for all skills or morphs. Would make more sense to have it be a flat gold fee, similar to CP, or even better is to simply have it be based on the amount of skills you actually changed.

Think of it from the perspective of someone who's wanting to change a single morph on their main due to a meta change, with all crafting lines maxed out. It'd cost upwards of 10k gold just to change a single skill.

Strider__Roshin

I'm amazed that they got rid of that stupid power sigil in BGs. Such a wonderful change! That honestly took me by surprise.

PouletRico

jcm2606 wrote: »

PouletRico wrote: »

jcm2606 wrote: »

Haven't checked the patch out yet, did they fix the issue of skill respecs still costing the full amount of gold? On the PTS it still costs the full amount of gold, regardless of whether you've only reset one skill or reset them all.

This wasn't an issue, it was meant, and it's live right now.

This makes zero sense, though. You're not changing all skills or morphs, so you shouldn't have to pay the gold amount for all skills or morphs. Would make more sense to have it be a flat gold fee, similar to CP, or even better is to simply have it be based on the amount of skills you actually changed.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

MaleAmazon

I disagree. It's rather that people have the feeling that they are neglected because ZOS keeps telling they are going to tackle class balance "next update" since Dragon Bones at least, and Cyrodiil is essentially the same since 4 years now with no real fix for the performance issues and the bugs (hello invisible keep walls) in the foreseeable future.

I play ATM, and literally in zone chat just now, I saw someone complain that he couldn´t change skills anywhere like with champion points, despite ZOS actually making the change so you can reset individual skills. It doesn´t matter what they change; someone will ALWAYS complain. It´s basically a law of nature. "Set X is OP no skill required worthless PTW ZOS moneygrab" -> X gets nerfed -> "OMG X is crap so many trash sets in this game ZOS just cares about crown crates". And repeat.

As for actual balance... well it is what it is. I don´t find it particularly enjoyable in the long term but I PvP a bit. I don´t think ESO is the kind of game where you get Starcraft-levels of balance, but quite frankly I think it´s pretty good. A lot of the time I die to 10 people attacking me at once so what can I expect. The gap closer autosnare can be a bit of a pain but at the same time, would it be better if I could just run away when outnumbered? That´s annoying too. Let´s all try and enjoy ourselves, shall we?

Jamdarius

Still gotta pay for ALL skill points respec instead of just 3-5 skills I want to respec, failure of a patch, again ZOS'ed and Zenimaxed in the... So to sum it up, to discard 5 skills I still have to pay 20k gold

FAIL FAIL FAIL

jcm2606

Jamdarius wrote: »

Still gotta pay for ALL skill points respec instead of just 3-5 skills I want to respec, failure of a patch, again ZOS'ed and Zenimaxed in the... So to sum it up, to discard 5 skills I still have to pay 20k gold

FAIL FAIL FAIL

Want to know what's worse? There was a thread about this in the PTS forum. As per usual, it seemingly went unnoticed by Zenimax.

Jamdarius

jcm2606 wrote: »

Jamdarius wrote: »

Still gotta pay for ALL skill points respec instead of just 3-5 skills I want to respec, failure of a patch, again ZOS'ed and Zenimaxed in the... So to sum it up, to discard 5 skills I still have to pay 20k gold

FAIL FAIL FAIL

Want to know what's worse? There was a thread about this in the PTS forum. As per usual, it seemingly went unnoticed by Zenimax.

I know, had small hope they changed it. I do not need on my main 5 skill : 5 SKILLS, and I need to pay for it 18750 GOLD. Seriously r4tarded. Wasn't it supposed to be flat cost like with CP ?! And I bet Werewolf can still do 60k DPS Light Attackin when MagWardens/ MagPlars still do half the dmg Nb and Sorcs are capable of... Not to mention that Warden is Buy 2 Play Class... I feel betrayed on every patch notes.

Lorem123

They sell skill respec scrolls in the crown store, so they'll never make it cheaper ingame. It's simply that. Would hurt their crown store scroll sales.

Feanor

Daus wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

It's a good PvE QoL patch. For PvP not so much. But alas that's the M.O. these days.

Depends on who you ask lol

Yeah I guess you're quite satisfied.

valeriiya

Lorem123 wrote: »

They sell skill respec scrolls in the crown store, so they'll never make it cheaper ingame. It's simply that. Would hurt their crown store scroll sales.

Crown Store above everything for them

jcm2606

Lorem123 wrote: »

They sell skill respec scrolls in the crown store, so they'll never make it cheaper ingame. It's simply that. Would hurt their crown store scroll sales.

Nobody uses those. Why pay real money for a respec scroll when you can just spend renewable gold at a respec shrine? Still doesn't justify the ludicrous price now that we have a skill-by-skill respec system, though.

Doctordarkspawn

MaleAmazon wrote: »

The problem with PvP patching is that, regardless of patch changes, some vocal portion of the PvP community will complain that the balance is now crap and that 'ZoS hates *class X*'. It´s just the portion of the community that changes. This applies to all possible balance changes.

This process repeats itself in an infinite regress until the end of the universe or the dismantling of the ESO servers, whichever comes first.

Which is why they've given up. Which can only be good for the game.

PVP is a moneypit.

Cously

Anyone in game? Is the werewolf house available?

RaddlemanNumber7

Don't forget to collect your new hat from one of the new dungeons.

RaddlemanNumber7

Cously wrote: »

Anyone in game? Is the werewolf house available?

They are not available. It's still the Orsinium event stuff including that big orc wind trap place 13,000+ crowns.

Strider__Roshin

Feanor wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

It's a good PvE QoL patch. For PvP not so much. But alas that's the M.O. these days.

Depends on who you ask lol

Yeah I guess you're quite satisfied.

For the most part. Curious about how balanced werewolves are going to be though. Previously they are free AP to me so a buff was needed. Hopefully what they got wasn't too much. Time will tell.

ADarklore

jcm2606 wrote: »

Lorem123 wrote: »

They sell skill respec scrolls in the crown store, so they'll never make it cheaper ingame. It's simply that. Would hurt their crown store scroll sales.

Nobody uses those. Why pay real money for a respec scroll when you can just spend renewable gold at a respec shrine? Still doesn't justify the ludicrous price now that we have a skill-by-skill respec system, though.

Well, glad to know that I can now be known as nobody... because I have used these frequently. Usually when I'm out somewhere and don't have time to travel to the shrine or am low on gold and would rather play the game then farm for gold.

Ydrisselle

jcm2606 wrote: »

Jamdarius wrote: »

Still gotta pay for ALL skill points respec instead of just 3-5 skills I want to respec, failure of a patch, again ZOS'ed and Zenimaxed in the... So to sum it up, to discard 5 skills I still have to pay 20k gold

FAIL FAIL FAIL

Want to know what's worse? There was a thread about this in the PTS forum. As per usual, it seemingly went unnoticed by Zenimax.

I'm sure it wasn't unnoticed. It just didn't change anything, like as usual.

Saucy_Jack

Two things:

1. "Fixed an issue where the Traitor's Vault had an excessive number of lootable wardrobes."


2. "Fixed an issue where Lena's Wand of Finding only worked on certain chickens. It will now be able to 'find' many other types of chickens." So wait, now I can use this to find AD players in Cyro?

RobZha

Have had 3 crashes now in about half hour, game hardly ever crashes on me too. If other players are having same issues I guess the game will be going down for fixes later today/tonight.

edit : 2 crashes distributing cp, 1 trying to enter pvp from campaign screen.