Game is dying due to game mechanics.

TheCyberDruid

Thank you for providing my lulwut? moment today.

MaleAmazon

Now...if there are 11 million players playing this game...why are people unable to find a group for hours via the group finder?

Because they queue as DD, maybe because they play during off-hours? Because they queue for one DLC dungeon?

I queue as DD or tank (same character with equipment switch) on PC EU. These are my ballpark waiting times in the evenings for random PUG or pledge PUG:


normal DD - anything from 5-20 mins.

vet DD - roughly the same, but some specific dungeons are hard to get in on.

normal Tank - usually instant, almost never more than 2 mins.

vet Tank - usually under 5 mins.


I do quests in the meantime, it works ok. The other problems with the GF (people insta-leaving and you get locked out, getting the 'someone declined', which is probably a bug, 5 times in a row, etc) are worse.

OFC "the game is dying"-threads have been around since 2014. One reason people don´t see as many others as before when they play might be that the game world is literally larger, also before one Tamriel some zones were abandoned due to their level.

Still when I was on late last night, there were a bunch of people hanging around Seyda Neen, and I still have 'problems' with other players joining in on world boss fights when want to solo them during off hours.

Azuramoonstar

Shadowmaster wrote: »

Woeler wrote: »

“Game is dying” No it’s not.

https://bethesda.net/en/article/4awHlcFLHWKaGWeCCu4uWm/the-elder-scrolls-online-murkmire-wolfhunter

^ That link says and I quote: "With 11 million players – including 1 million new players in the past year alone – The Elder Scrolls Online continues to grow."

Now...if there are 11 million players playing this game...why are people unable to find a group for hours via the group finder? Why do I keep fighting the same people in bgs, and then getting them in my groups the very next "public random"?

11 million players may have bought this game at one point but I'd be shocked if there are more than 2-3000 playing it on NA on a given non-spike time.

do you play a dps?

if so there is the problem only 15% of any mmo's community play tank/healer roles.

e1team

I never wait more than 1-5 mins for group. Only specific takes longer. EU server, sorc healer

Kikke

I mostly run dlc dungeons and trials. But if my friends are offline I also often do non-dlc plwsges with a pug. As thats what those are balanced around. DLC dungeons are too test your grp and push your limits, even if that means do high enough dps so we dont see mechanics.

And vSP and vFL are super easy without HM, so this sounds like a L2P issue or Get a Guild issue.

The_Lex

Shadowmaster wrote: »

Woeler wrote: »

“Game is dying” No it’s not.

https://bethesda.net/en/article/4awHlcFLHWKaGWeCCu4uWm/the-elder-scrolls-online-murkmire-wolfhunter

^ That link says and I quote: "With 11 million players – including 1 million new players in the past year alone – The Elder Scrolls Online continues to grow."

Now...if there are 11 million players playing this game...why are people unable to find a group for hours via the group finder? Why do I keep fighting the same people in bgs, and then getting them in my groups the very next "public random"?

11 million players may have bought this game at one point but I'd be shocked if there are more than 2-3000 playing it on NA on a given non-spike time.

11M players + "I'm waiting in group queue longer than I want" =/= the game is dying.

Logic

Katahdin

No, completely disagree.

Dungeons should not be a DPS race only.
So boring
Though I agree some fights have WAY too much going on

zaria

mongoLC wrote: »

Shadowmaster wrote: »

Saint314Louis1985 wrote: »

If your taking a long time in pledges you probably couldn’t pass a dps race.

WTF are you babbling about.

If you queue solo there is no telling what you could be paired with. Stop talking out of your @$$ or get past 300cp ffs.

this is really what has triggered me the random queuing. Why not just put an option in the group Q for non-dlc only? Oh right that would mean even less people would do the *** dungeons.

Why queue for random vet? better to take an random normal and do the easy dungeons for double key.

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO

@Shadowmaster there is a difference between active player and fresh accounts bought and lets face it most of these players are just a ton of botting accounts...even if there were 11 mil players active as a dps u would still have issues finding a grp in solo queue...besides the game isn't dying just yet...sure id love to see damn performance upgrades since its been over 4 years now so im done being defensive about them being in babyshoes and stuff... :V

Watchdog

My 2 Eurocents on the group finder, if I may:

Some of us are in large guilds, preferring to form groups with guildies (and friends) directly, rather than via the ingame group finder. You won't see such people queing up there and you won't find yourself in such groups unless you are either in those guilds or a friend of one of the members. If the groups are formed ad hoc for normal level content, they are usually filled in less than a minute, often, and enthusiastically at that, in mere seconds. Larger groups or veteran groups are often scheduled in advance.

In our guild, we use Discord voice chat in such groups, and we have a lot of fun together, no rush, no elitism. Having fun is the most important part of it all, we do not compete in some e-peen contest or anything like that.

Just in case - I do not consider this method of forming groups to be some sort of reclusive behaviour, it is just a preference to play with people who you know to follow the same ruleset, people who you like to spend you free time with in the first place, rather than some random strangers.

Hulda

I agree. To be honest, they should just straight up remove every active skills, all you need to do is light attack. That would help a lot to servers.

eso_nya

99% of the time when u see things that look like mechanics, u failed the dps-check. afaik dungeons r meant to be run w/ 3 or 4 magblades who can pull >40k dps (and optionally a tank).

very few times, there is "mechanics" like in icp, where u need 2 ppl to push a lever.

u could count "endless chain of generic rooms filled with generic mobs" (like in dragon *** dungeons) as a mechanic to prevent u from wanting to go there ever again. In a "mobs win when u give up"-way, is kinda stretch to call that mechanic.

Hostee

eso_nya wrote: »

99% of the time when u see things that look like mechanics, u failed the dps-check. afaik dungeons r meant to be run w/ 3 or 4 magblades who can pull >40k dps (and optionally a tank).

very few times, there is "mechanics" like in icp, where u need 2 ppl to push a lever.

u could count "endless chain of generic rooms filled with generic mobs" (like in dragon *** dungeons) as a mechanic to prevent u from wanting to go there ever again. In a "mobs win when u give up"-way, is kinda stretch to call that mechanic.

Why even play this game, since you obviously don’t have a fond view of the current state of things?

boombazookajd

mongoLC wrote: »

I want dungeons faster and I am tired of the stupid mechanics and explaining them or learning them just for a helm I want in pvpI don't want to play the game in its intended format, I want to run through dungeons because I'm a Fortniteboi who thinks tea bagging is cool. I am also selfish and don't care for the 3 weights I'm carrying with my impen build, their healing and attention to mechanics is slowing me from running all the way to the final boss. its *** straight up. Trials should be have the mechanics, dungeons should be fast dps races get your reward and gtfo out.

Fixed it for you.

G1Countdown

mongoLC wrote: »

Jameliel wrote: »

Can you elaborate?

I want dungeons faster and I am tired of the stupid mechanics and explaining them or learning them just for a helm I want in pvp. its *** straight up. Trials should be have the mechanics, dungeons should be fast dps races get your reward and gtfo out.

g.. t.. f... out out? What's that mean? Is that a hipster thing - out out?

And, I hate to burst your bubble, but just because you want a helm super fast for pvp, that does not mean that "the game is dying due to game mechanics."

Mods can you close this thread? The title is misleading. It's really a rant about, "I want this now."

boombazookajd

INB4 lock:

cut out PVP and the cancer will disappear. The Fortniteboiz and PUBGbros will go back to their FPS's.

Hostee

^^^^^^^^^

Make America great again!

iCaliban

Shadowmaster wrote: »

Woeler wrote: »

“Game is dying” No it’s not.

cut out PVP and the cancer will disappear. The Fortniteboiz and PUBGbros will go back to their FPS's.

What does pvp have to do with anything?

AzraelKrieg

Battle_Hymn wrote: »

Millennial thread.

It's funny when people use millennial as an insult when the oldest of that group is nearly 40.

karekiz

I agree lets make all bosses strict DPS requirements even greater than those of Bloodroot HM/Scalecaller HM ice phase.

You will be begging for those pesky mechanics in a month after you hit a 80% failure rate.

SilverWF

And one of that mechanics is dumb skills animations, that must be skipped.

Viscous119

mongoLC wrote: »

If it isn't a trial what's the point? ZOS, see how many people actually take the non-dlc pledges and maybe stop wasting server space on your ***. Pledges should be a dps race and fast.
Ain't nobody got time for anything else. If they do you'll find them in trials.

Well I guess everyone should just stop playing the game and..go Bowling! LOL

LadyNalcarya

DanteYoda wrote: »

Do you remember when games were just games and not retardation..

Yep, back in the days games were more challenging and didnt cater to the new generation of gamers, new games are mostly all about microtransactions, participation trophies and dumbing down the content so even 4 years old cant fail in their M-rated game...

LadyNalcarya

SilverWF wrote: »

And one of that mechanics is dumb skills animations, that must be skipped.

Trying to skip all animations in pve will lead to abysmal dps.
There was a guy in my trial group who tried to cancel all his skills with a bash, so he was out of stamina all the time and his dps wasnt very good. You cannot activate more than one skill per second so there's no need to do that.
Light attack weaving doesnt really cancel anything except the end of light attack animation. So please dont spread misinformation, I dont wanna see more people like my former guildmate struggling with it.

ZOS_Ragnar

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