Is this an exploit?

vgabor

The wall glitch is definitely a bug and ruining the gameplay. But with the ZOS apparent lack of doing any fixing - it's there since months by now - unfortunately you can start consider them as permanent feature

Looking at the trends of issues for a longer time, it shows that they just keep piling up without solving them, which effectively builds up an ever bigger development debt over the time. It will inevitably come crashing down, I don't have high expectation of the future of the game and how long it will be here.

I work in software development and any project manager who would not prioritise this kind of clear and serious bugs for immediate fixing would be fired already. It's not a developer issue, but some level higher where the prioritisation and goal setting should happen, typical managerial stupidness, too much focusing on the immediate revenue generation numbers and sacrifice longterm survivability... which will bite back very hard when the time comes.

starkerealm

vgabor wrote: »

The wall glitch is definitely a bug and ruining the gameplay. But with the ZOS apparent lack of doing any fixing - it's there since months by now - unfortunately you can start consider them as permanent feature

Looking at the trends of issues for a longer time, it shows that they just keep piling up without solving them, which effectively builds up an ever bigger development debt over the time. It will inevitably come crashing down, I don't have high expectation of the future of the game and how long it will be here.

I work in software development and any project manager who would not prioritise this kind of clear and serious bugs for immediate fixing would be fired already. It's not a developer issue, but some level higher where the prioritisation and goal setting should happen, typical managerial stupidness, too much focusing on the immediate revenue generation numbers and sacrifice longterm survivability... which will bite back very hard when the time comes.

If what you're saying was true, then you'd understand what a serious issue actually looks like. This is annoying, but it's not a serious issue. It is a minor piece of functionality in PvP, which is already a very small element of the overall game.

So, what you're saying is, "NO, there's a typo on this contextual menu, it's the end of all things, they need to fix this immediately, I'm a programmer, I know what I'm talking about!" No, this is a minor issue.

geonsocal

I think we all need to file a grievance with the cyrodiilic mason's union...

LiberatorSam

starkerealm wrote: »

DarkAedin wrote: »

Shadow-Fighter wrote: »

We have a zero tolerance policy for cheating/exploiting/using unapproved third party tools (such as Cheat Engine), so you should also know that even a single instance can lead to a 72-hour suspension, or even a permanent ban, depending on the offense. And in the specific case of Cheat Engine, even the first offense will result in a permanent ban.

Dont forget. Zos ruined their base game many times, and threw out bans/suspensions regardless of if u were aware of the bug or not. But not to the twitch community or
anyone who paid them via crown store.

-remember the 1mil xp kills in sewers last year?

Yes, in fact. Do you?

Players who went into the sewers killed a few things, were getting a CP with every pull, and realized something wasn't right, weren't punished at all.

It's the players who discovered the exploit and then spent 30 or 40 minutes in the sewers farming up hundreds of CP that were banned. Then they scampered onto the forums to cry about it, because they were punished for exploiting a broken system, and couldn't be expected to know when the game was behaving abnormally, even though they'd been talking about it in chat.

DarkAedin wrote: »

-Farming for 7th legion/spriggans weapons while the group event boss was bugged and giving out a skill point each kill?

And, again, the players who got one or two skill points out of it, realized something was amiss, and left weren't punished. It was the ones who went in, and were grinding up dozens of skill points who were punished. Then they scampered off onto these boards, and tried to defend themselves by claiming they weren't smart enough to understand that you couldn't, normally, grind Skill Points on a static boss.

DarkAedin wrote: »

These are 2 instances where players went about their normal life killing things the way devs intended us to, but got suspended anyway bc the devs broke the most basic part of xp/skillpoint gains.

I think you missed a critical point. In both cases players discovered an easy to execute exploit and then tried to claim idiocy, when they were punished for it.

This is ****ing toddler logic. "You told me I couldn't have candy, but there was all that chocolate on the reception desk, but I didn't know that was candy, so you can't punish me."

DarkAedin wrote: »

This specific issue is a game breaking issue and its been here since summerset was on pts.

The fact that u have the audacity to come here and tell us that we will be getting in trouble if we abuse the bug rather then fixing it over the past month plus; is dispicable and disgusting. Shame.

Honestly? You want to abuse this? Go for it. We won't stop you. But don't come back crying, when you're banned for hoovering up all the sweets after you were warned not to take any.

So these players who farm IC/Spriggans had to stop doing what they wanted to do because the developer *** up? I am all for taking away their illicitly gained xp/skill points, but banning people because of zos’s own mistakes? That’s just stupid. Remember, the IC bug was on the date of storage coffer launch, the market price all related telvar items inflated by roughly 20%. I would have gone in and farm IC too if I wasn’t at work, and got banned for trying to make money. Some of my friends who got banned were well over cp cap, what did those illicitly gained xp benefits them?

VaranisArano

LiberatorSam wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

DarkAedin wrote: »

Shadow-Fighter wrote: »

We have a zero tolerance policy for cheating/exploiting/using unapproved third party tools (such as Cheat Engine), so you should also know that even a single instance can lead to a 72-hour suspension, or even a permanent ban, depending on the offense. And in the specific case of Cheat Engine, even the first offense will result in a permanent ban.

Dont forget. Zos ruined their base game many times, and threw out bans/suspensions regardless of if u were aware of the bug or not. But not to the twitch community or
anyone who paid them via crown store.

-remember the 1mil xp kills in sewers last year?

Yes, in fact. Do you?

Players who went into the sewers killed a few things, were getting a CP with every pull, and realized something wasn't right, weren't punished at all.

It's the players who discovered the exploit and then spent 30 or 40 minutes in the sewers farming up hundreds of CP that were banned. Then they scampered onto the forums to cry about it, because they were punished for exploiting a broken system, and couldn't be expected to know when the game was behaving abnormally, even though they'd been talking about it in chat.

DarkAedin wrote: »

-Farming for 7th legion/spriggans weapons while the group event boss was bugged and giving out a skill point each kill?

And, again, the players who got one or two skill points out of it, realized something was amiss, and left weren't punished. It was the ones who went in, and were grinding up dozens of skill points who were punished. Then they scampered off onto these boards, and tried to defend themselves by claiming they weren't smart enough to understand that you couldn't, normally, grind Skill Points on a static boss.

DarkAedin wrote: »

These are 2 instances where players went about their normal life killing things the way devs intended us to, but got suspended anyway bc the devs broke the most basic part of xp/skillpoint gains.

I think you missed a critical point. In both cases players discovered an easy to execute exploit and then tried to claim idiocy, when they were punished for it.

This is ****ing toddler logic. "You told me I couldn't have candy, but there was all that chocolate on the reception desk, but I didn't know that was candy, so you can't punish me."

DarkAedin wrote: »

This specific issue is a game breaking issue and its been here since summerset was on pts.

The fact that u have the audacity to come here and tell us that we will be getting in trouble if we abuse the bug rather then fixing it over the past month plus; is dispicable and disgusting. Shame.

Honestly? You want to abuse this? Go for it. We won't stop you. But don't come back crying, when you're banned for hoovering up all the sweets after you were warned not to take any.

So these players who farm IC/Spriggans had to stop doing what they wanted to do because the developer *** up? I am all for taking away their illicitly gained xp/skill points, but banning people because of zos’s own mistakes? That’s just stupid. Remember, the IC bug was on the date of storage coffer launch, the market price all related telvar items inflated by roughly 20%. I would have gone in and farm IC too if I wasn’t at work, and got banned for trying to make money. Some of my friends who got banned were well over cp cap, what did those illicitly gained xp benefits them?

Yep. Yep they did have to stop what they were doing because the developers messed up.

Because what they were doing was exploiting a glitch/bug in the game. Something they agreed not to do when they (and you) agreed to the TOS and the Code of Conduct in order to play the game.

They got banned for breaking the TOS and Code of Conduct when they took advantage of a glitch/bug. Don't like it? Maybe you should review what you said you agreed to:

https://account.elderscrollsonline.com/code-of-conduct
5.2 Users will not exploit any bug, or abuse any game system (such as the scoring or award systems) in a ZeniMax Game, Service, forum, or other games or services provided by ZeniMax. Users will not intentionally use or share any bug found within any ZeniMax Game, real or fictitious, regardless of whether or not it grants an unfair advantage. You will not directly or indirectly communicate the existence of any such bug to any other user of the ZeniMax Service (in game or on a ZeniMax service). Report bugs and exploits using the in-game portal or via http://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/home.

https://account.elderscrollsonline.com/terms-of-service
(8) You agree not to use any Service to:
Promote, upload, transmit, encourage or take part in any activity involving hacking, cracking, phishing, taking advantage of exploits or cheats and/or distribution of counterfeit software and/or Virtual Currency or virtual items. In an effort to continuously improve the Services, You and other players discovering exploits, cheats, cracks or other inconsistencies are required to report them to ZeniMax;


Hope that clears up what you and your friends agreed to do when you encounter a bug or glitch that impacts your gameplay!

Rastoric

You can see the wall is broke, you can move right thru it and cast/siege thru it. Why would this be an exploit? How did I cause this and how can i counter it's use?


It depends on how it is affecting the game. If I can't defend or siege due to it's existence I should be able to use it.

VaranisArano

Rastoric wrote: »

You can see the wall is broke, you can move right thru it and cast/siege thru it. Why would this be an exploit? How did I cause this and how can i counter it's use?


It depends on how it is affecting the game. If I can't defend or siege due to it's existence I should be able to use it.

Bypassing the walls of the keep without sieging them down to enter the keep is an exploit because ZOS has said so - linked above. Using an invisible area to enter a keep when the wall still has health is bypassing the intended mechanics of how you are supposed to siege a keep's walls to get inside. Therefore, its an exploit, which you agreed not to do when you agreed to the TOS and Code of Conduct in order to play the game.

You didn't cause the walls to be invisible. But that doesn't actually matter. You still have to make sure you don't take advantage of it.

When I came up to Sejanus and saw that the wall was invisible around the postern doorway while the wall still had health, I set down my siege weapon and started sieging the wall down to 0% before I went into the outpost. Because going inside before sieging the wall down would be an exploit.

If you use the invisible wall to bypass the need to siege down the wall/door of a keep or outpost, you are exploiting.

As for counters, it sounds like reporting people who take advantage of it and aiming catapults at the invisible spot in the wall is the only practical solution to players who don't have the integrity to not exploit this glitch until ZOS can finally fix it.

starkerealm

LiberatorSam wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

DarkAedin wrote: »

Shadow-Fighter wrote: »

We have a zero tolerance policy for cheating/exploiting/using unapproved third party tools (such as Cheat Engine), so you should also know that even a single instance can lead to a 72-hour suspension, or even a permanent ban, depending on the offense. And in the specific case of Cheat Engine, even the first offense will result in a permanent ban.

Dont forget. Zos ruined their base game many times, and threw out bans/suspensions regardless of if u were aware of the bug or not. But not to the twitch community or
anyone who paid them via crown store.

-remember the 1mil xp kills in sewers last year?

Yes, in fact. Do you?

Players who went into the sewers killed a few things, were getting a CP with every pull, and realized something wasn't right, weren't punished at all.

It's the players who discovered the exploit and then spent 30 or 40 minutes in the sewers farming up hundreds of CP that were banned. Then they scampered onto the forums to cry about it, because they were punished for exploiting a broken system, and couldn't be expected to know when the game was behaving abnormally, even though they'd been talking about it in chat.

DarkAedin wrote: »

-Farming for 7th legion/spriggans weapons while the group event boss was bugged and giving out a skill point each kill?

And, again, the players who got one or two skill points out of it, realized something was amiss, and left weren't punished. It was the ones who went in, and were grinding up dozens of skill points who were punished. Then they scampered off onto these boards, and tried to defend themselves by claiming they weren't smart enough to understand that you couldn't, normally, grind Skill Points on a static boss.

DarkAedin wrote: »

These are 2 instances where players went about their normal life killing things the way devs intended us to, but got suspended anyway bc the devs broke the most basic part of xp/skillpoint gains.

I think you missed a critical point. In both cases players discovered an easy to execute exploit and then tried to claim idiocy, when they were punished for it.

This is ****ing toddler logic. "You told me I couldn't have candy, but there was all that chocolate on the reception desk, but I didn't know that was candy, so you can't punish me."

DarkAedin wrote: »

This specific issue is a game breaking issue and its been here since summerset was on pts.

The fact that u have the audacity to come here and tell us that we will be getting in trouble if we abuse the bug rather then fixing it over the past month plus; is dispicable and disgusting. Shame.

Honestly? You want to abuse this? Go for it. We won't stop you. But don't come back crying, when you're banned for hoovering up all the sweets after you were warned not to take any.

So these players who farm IC/Spriggans had to stop doing what they wanted to do because the developer *** up?

Yes.

LiberatorSam wrote: »

I am all for taking away their illicitly gained xp/skill points, but banning people because of zos’s own mistakes? That’s just stupid. Remember, the IC bug was on the date of storage coffer launch, the market price all related telvar items inflated by roughly 20%. I would have gone in and farm IC too if I wasn’t at work, and got banned for trying to make money. Some of my friends who got banned were well over cp cap, what did those illicitly gained xp benefits them?

It got them a ban.

Okay, I realize this sounds harsh, but here's basics: You agreed when you signed the EULA to avoid intentionally exploiting the game. You run across something that's clearly not working right, you contact customer support immediately, and you stop doing it.

The thing with these stories is that people did stumble across them by accident. It's how they got reported in the first place. The bans were handed out to the people who realized something was wrong, and went back for seconds anyway.

If you'd gone into the IC, and killed something, you would have seen champion point after champion point spraying across your screen. Every single pull. Sometimes multiple CP. So, yeah, you get one or two million XP, realize somethings wrong, back off, and try to figure out what's going on? You're good. It's the people who stuck around, and ground up tons of CP, even though they're over cap, that got hit with the hammer.

I'm sorry that your friends got caught in that. I'd like to believe it's because they were too oblivious to realize that the systems were broken, but, honestly, they knew. You would have known. This was greed. You were told, "don't do this thing, or you'll get punished," and when they saw the opportunity, they went for it anyway.

And, yeah, that release had all sorts of weirdness. I walked away with items that "appeared" in my inventory. (literally, they came out of nowhere.) I talked to customer support, they couldn't figure it out either. But, I didn't get banned. I didn't go back for seconds. I didn't try to break anything. That's the threshold.

So, maybe you should farm your Seventh Legion stuff someplace else, where there isn't an endless string of skill points getting dumped onto your character. Just a thought.

Also, not 100% sure, but as I recall, the IC bug was only in the sewers. Go topside and everything worked normally. (Though, I could be misremembering this one.)

So, what were you supposed to do? Search me, I had all seven containers within 30 minutes of the servers going up on patch day... because I planned ahead. I was ready, and I knew what was coming. (Except for the furnishing recipes, that I still can't explain.)

antihero727

Lexxypwns wrote: »

No, you don’t get banned for anything in this game

Actually you do get banned for bugged sets, farming IC after a bugged patch, running a dungeon for a motif on normal when is only was intended to drop on vet and way more blunders on their QA department. What you don’t get banned for is CE, physical threats, lag switches and other 3rd party software cheats. Just wanted to clear that up.

WildWilbur

Sheezabeast wrote: »

Can’t people use this OP skill called Integrity and just not exploit....

Choosed the wrong morph...

xxthir13enxx

Rastoric wrote: »

You can see the wall is broke, you can move right thru it and cast/siege thru it. Why would this be an exploit? How did I cause this and how can i counter it's use?


It depends on how it is affecting the game. If I can't defend or siege due to it's existence I should be able to use it.

You can “Fix” the wall being “Broken” for you by typing /reloadui in your chat window.

You see a floating door in the broken wall...you Know something is wrong.

You can still siege the wall and damage it as usual

Hurtfan

Kinda on topic but kinda not...

If you come across a door that's up, but it really isn't because it was sieged (you see people running through it), run to the horizon and it will fix it. You'll get a quick load screen and the door will disappear. This is on console.

On topic, be honorable and don't exploit. Just go about your business of sieging and get in the right way. Not a big deal.

edges_endgame

I hope zos brings the banhammer soon. People use it more and more over time. Even people that normally wouldn't, exploit it now, cause zos doesn't seem to care.

It really sucks and is messing up a proper defense.

OrphanHelgen

xxthir13enxx wrote: »

Rastoric wrote: »

You can see the wall is broke, you can move right thru it and cast/siege thru it. Why would this be an exploit? How did I cause this and how can i counter it's use?


It depends on how it is affecting the game. If I can't defend or siege due to it's existence I should be able to use it.

You can “Fix” the wall being “Broken” for you by typing /reloadui in your chat window.

You see a floating door in the broken wall...you Know something is wrong.

You can still siege the wall and damage it as usual

I don't agree with this, simple because so much other stuff is bugged on the graphics in cyrodiil. A sieged gate locked for you and people running through it, or the field missing and you are stuck on the edge of it, or this one like the door still there but the wall is down. The first things I personal was thinking was the wall was sieged but door was still there as a graphical bug.