Is this an exploit?

OrphanHelgen

It was a hole in the wall on a fort in cyro. The two first times, I thought they actually sieged it but 3rd time I understood it was a bug. I'ts not like I'm glitching it on purpose, it's there in the game, but I'm wondering straight out 2 things:
1: why is this still in the game
2: Is this consider an exploit?

If it's not allowed, you can do a popup on the screen like you do with the crown store, with a message about it. Don't mail it, everyone's mailbox are full, 100% sure XD

We can't blame people too much for doing it either, because I think 5-6 times maybe more, there was a door blocking me for going in which was actually sieged, and I'm also stuck in the middle of the field because the game graphics haven't loaded yet or something. Looks like nintendo 64 graphics.

idk

At the point you realized it was a bug in the game was when you would be exploiting if you continued to use it.

Why is it still in the game is very clear. Zos has not gotten around to a fix it or is technically challenged to do so.
Someone probably has to report you or Zos has to start looking for this behavior. If either happens it is a possibility.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_BillE Any update on a fix? I cannot recall if PTS patch notes has this fixed.

Runs

If enough people reported you, maybe a 3 day ban.

If not enough people or no one reported you nothing will happen.

But if the third time you knew it was a bug, and still went in and burned the oils.. You did do it on purpose.

Lexxypwns

No, you don’t get banned for anything in this game

OrphanHelgen

Well yes I admit the 3rd time I undersstood it wasn't sieged obviously, but I won't be doing it again. The thing is, there are players who does this fully intentional all the time tho, and we kind of trying to win the campaign, so i dont know. Just need a clear answer so we can play fair thats all. No one will thank me for not jumping in either if nothing will happend to those who do it. Sry for bad wording here, but. Is there anyone out there who don't jump in because they know its a bug?

Lexxypwns

I stand corrected @OGLezard I forgot that we’re all second class citizens of this community when compared to the role players

Elsonso

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

Well yes I admit the 3rd time I undersstood it wasn't sieged obviously, but I won't be doing it again. The thing is, there are players who does this fully intentional all the time tho, and we kind of trying to win the campaign, so i dont know. Just need a clear answer so we can play fair thats all. No one will thank me for not jumping in either if nothing will happend to those who do it. Sry for bad wording here, but. Is there anyone out there who don't jump in because they know its a bug?

They have already been pretty clear, which is why the first line of the second comment was written. People have been punished for exploiting for gain something that they decided was a bug.

OrphanHelgen

lordrichter wrote: »

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

Well yes I admit the 3rd time I undersstood it wasn't sieged obviously, but I won't be doing it again. The thing is, there are players who does this fully intentional all the time tho, and we kind of trying to win the campaign, so i dont know. Just need a clear answer so we can play fair thats all. No one will thank me for not jumping in either if nothing will happend to those who do it. Sry for bad wording here, but. Is there anyone out there who don't jump in because they know its a bug?

They have already been pretty clear, which is why the first line of the second comment was written. People have been punished for exploiting for gain something that they decided was a bug.

OK then they can do a popup message when you enter cyro. A bit mad that they just decide whats exploit or not and not go in game with it. I didn't know I had to go read forum before entering pvp. I guess I will be punished for standing still on a nintendo 64 graphic for 2 mins in the middle of the field as well. My bad.

VaranisArano

If the wall still has health, yes its an exploit to bypass the need to siege down the walls.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/278031/cyrodiil-cheating-exploiting-you/p1

idk

I would suggest reporting it via the in game tools so someday Zos might fix it.

OrphanHelgen

VaranisArano wrote: »

If the wall still has health, yes its an exploit to bypass the need to siege down the walls.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/278031/cyrodiil-cheating-exploiting-you/p1

ty. Wont be doing it again.

Shadow-Fighter

We have a zero tolerance policy for cheating/exploiting/using unapproved third party tools (such as Cheat Engine), so you should also know that even a single instance can lead to a 72-hour suspension, or even a permanent ban, depending on the offense. And in the specific case of Cheat Engine, even the first offense will result in a permanent ban.

rfennell_ESO

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

It was a hole in the wall on a fort in cyro. The two first times, I thought they actually sieged it but 3rd time I understood it was a bug. I jumped in and burned the oils upstairs and jumped down and we got the fort. I'ts not like I'm glitching it on purpose, it's there in the game, but I'm wondering straight out 2 things:
1: why is this still in the game
2: Is this consider an exploit?

If it's not allowed, you can do a popup on the screen like you do with the crown store, with a message about it. Don't mail it, everyone's mailbox are full, 100% sure XD

We can't blame people too much for doing it either, because I think 5-6 times maybe more, there was a door blocking me for going in which was actually sieged, and I'm also stuck in the middle of the field because the game graphics haven't loaded yet or something. Looks like nintendo 64 graphics.

Problem with calling it an exploit is that a player exploiting it can just say "the wall was down" and feign all knowledge of the "bug".

Now the way you can get a 3 day ban for it (and that's about all you will ever get, it seems) is if you are streaming and someone records the stream of you saying "walls bugged, I'm going through it". Simple enough, except for someone to actually be watching your stream and actually hate you enough to go back and record it and make a video to send into ZOS (linking a twitch stream and a time doesn't work) will depend entirely on the person "investigating" it.

DanteYoda

Shadow-Fighter wrote: »

We have a zero tolerance policy for cheating/exploiting/using unapproved third party tools (such as Cheat Engine), so you should also know that even a single instance can lead to a 72-hour suspension, or even a permanent ban, depending on the offense. And in the specific case of Cheat Engine, even the first offense will result in a permanent ban.

LOL sure but only until they get around to doing it... so in the mean time they exploit for months and years.. GG

Elsonso

DanteYoda wrote: »

Shadow-Fighter wrote: »

We have a zero tolerance policy for cheating/exploiting/using unapproved third party tools (such as Cheat Engine), so you should also know that even a single instance can lead to a 72-hour suspension, or even a permanent ban, depending on the offense. And in the specific case of Cheat Engine, even the first offense will result in a permanent ban.

LOL sure but only until they get around to doing it... so in the mean time they exploit for months and years.. GG

Yeah, I do wish they were a little more timely on the whole cheating and exploiting thing.

Marabornwingrion

Lexxypwns wrote: »

No, you don’t get banned for anything in this game

Except Asylum

Nyladreas

To my correct understanding you cannot get banned even if exploiting a bug that you are unaware is a bug as it is a developer problem. If, however, you do realize or are otherwise informed of it and and get caught repeatedly abusing it, then you indeed can get banned.

It's not as simple as some people say.

alainjbrennanb16_ESO

even using it first time is an exploit, it is clearly a bug, parts of the wall are down but the door remains up, you have to jump in at a certain point, granted you maybe be puzzled first time you see it and be tempted to try it, but zos looks at the meta, you could end up with a ban or worse

Elsonso

Nyladreas wrote: »

To my correct understanding you cannot get banned even if exploiting a bug that you are unaware is a bug as it is a developer problem.

While it isn't as simple as people say, ZOS cannot tell whether a player is doing something out of ignorance or out of deliberate exploitation. No one can from where ZOS is sitting, and people lie, so they cannot ask.

From past comments that they have made, they set a bar, past which they assume deliberate exploitation. An innocent might be thinking that they found cool new feature of the game that they really really like, not realizing that the game was not intended to be played that way, and that ZOS is watching. So, yes, people can get actioned for exploiting a bug where they do not realize it is a bug, but they would have to exploit that bug a number of times, and would hopefully get a warning or suspension, not an outright ban.

Hopefully, the seriousness of the exploit is taken into account, which to the common player community probably looks like "inconsistency". The reason I mention this is that, apparently, it is OK to do a farming exploit right now. They have mentioned it formally, but have not told people to stop doing it. My guess is that the rewards given for this exploit do not meet a level of seriousness required to swoop in an take action against players. Still, any time I happen to be in that location due to a quest or other activity, and want to farm, I have to wonder whether ZOS is watching and taking names for an unannounced punishment-fest.

Sheezabeast

Can’t people use this OP skill called Integrity and just not exploit....

DarkAedin

Shadow-Fighter wrote: »

We have a zero tolerance policy for cheating/exploiting/using unapproved third party tools (such as Cheat Engine), so you should also know that even a single instance can lead to a 72-hour suspension, or even a permanent ban, depending on the offense. And in the specific case of Cheat Engine, even the first offense will result in a permanent ban.

Dont forget. Zos ruined their base game many times, and threw out bans/suspensions regardless of if u were aware of the bug or not. But not to the twitch community or
anyone who paid them via crown store.

-remember the 1mil xp kills in sewers last year?

-Farming for 7th legion/spriggans weapons while the group event boss was bugged and giving out a skill point each kill?

These are 2 instances where players went about their normal life killing things the way devs intended us to, but got suspended anyway bc the devs broke the most basic part of xp/skillpoint gains.

This specific issue is a game breaking issue and its been here since summerset was on pts.

The fact that u have the audacity to come here and tell us that we will be getting in trouble if we abuse the bug rather then fixing it over the past month plus; is dispicable and disgusting. Shame.

Oh hey btw, that part that u said a out CE: Just goes to show that ruining our pvp experience 4 years ago by swapping us from client to server side did nothing. Cheats are still rampant now and by god if we have to have another meteor weekend (do u know what this is?) to show u how inept ur colleagues are.....

Shadow-Fighter

DarkAedin wrote: »

Shadow-Fighter wrote: »

We have a zero tolerance policy for cheating/exploiting/using unapproved third party tools (such as Cheat Engine), so you should also know that even a single instance can lead to a 72-hour suspension, or even a permanent ban, depending on the offense. And in the specific case of Cheat Engine, even the first offense will result in a permanent ban.

Dont forget. Zos ruined their base game many times, and threw out bans/suspensions regardless of if u were aware of the bug or not. But not to the twitch community or
anyone who paid them via crown store.

-remember the 1mil xp kills in sewers last year?

-Farming for 7th legion/spriggans weapons while the group event boss was bugged and giving out a skill point each kill?

These are 2 instances where players went about their normal life killing things the way devs intended us to, but got suspended anyway bc the devs broke the most basic part of xp/skillpoint gains.

This specific issue is a game breaking issue and its been here since summerset was on pts.

The fact that u have the audacity to come here and tell us that we will be getting in trouble if we abuse the bug rather then fixing it over the past month plus; is dispicable and disgusting. Shame.

Oh hey btw, that part that u said a out CE: Just goes to show that ruining our pvp experience 4 years ago by swapping us from client to server side did nothing. Cheats are still rampant now and by god if we have to have another meteor weekend (do u know what this is?) to show u how inept ur colleagues are.....

I know all the points you describe and what you say is true. I'm also playing since 2014
The comment (quote) was from ZOS and it was irony while ZOS do NOTHING to the Cyrodiil environment.

There was time one thing in Summerset was buggy and ZOS went server down because of the bug. At the same time the wall hack still exists.

Ankael07

Theres a passive in Battle Spirit that prevents you from getting banned no matter how severe the exploit is

DarkAedin

Reading the forums b4 my coffee may not be a good idea. This game just has me raging since summerset dropped.

mikemacon

Ah, yes. The old "wall at 100% but postern door can be glitched through" bug.

Hate it.

It's been a real nightmare this run through Sotha Sil on Xbox NA.

But...it is what it is. Until ZOS fixes it, we've learned to aim meatbags at the postern doors while defending outposts & keeps.

What sucks is that you can never be 100% sure your keep is really secure after a successful defense because some enterprising d-bag can find a glitched wall/door and "siege from within".

Eh. Whatebah.

DuskMarine

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

It was a hole in the wall on a fort in cyro. The two first times, I thought they actually sieged it but 3rd time I understood it was a bug. I'ts not like I'm glitching it on purpose, it's there in the game, but I'm wondering straight out 2 things:
1: why is this still in the game
2: Is this consider an exploit?

If it's not allowed, you can do a popup on the screen like you do with the crown store, with a message about it. Don't mail it, everyone's mailbox are full, 100% sure XD

We can't blame people too much for doing it either, because I think 5-6 times maybe more, there was a door blocking me for going in which was actually sieged, and I'm also stuck in the middle of the field because the game graphics haven't loaded yet or something. Looks like nintendo 64 graphics.

yea there have been random holes popping up in keeps lately for some reason its a bug thats really irritating cause you dont know if the door is up or not. so i really just follow the flow of traffic with siege instead of my own hud.

Thogard

Nyladreas wrote: »

To my correct understanding you cannot get banned even if exploiting a bug that you are unaware is a bug as it is a developer problem. If, however, you do realize or are otherwise informed of it and and get caught repeatedly abusing it, then you indeed can get banned.

It's not as simple as some people say.

Oh come on now. All of the bans ZOS hands out and publicly announces are of people exploiting a “developer problem”

Turelus

Sheezabeast wrote: »

Can’t people use this OP skill called Integrity and just not exploit....

Just read any ban thread and you'll see that's not the case. "It's ZOS' fault the bugs in the game, so I can abuse it all I like"

DTStormfox

Abusing a bug is an exploit.
I have seen it too. The postern wall has the status of being destroyed and only the door stands while it is at >1 hp.

TheInfernalRage

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

It was a hole in the wall on a fort in cyro. The two first times, I thought they actually sieged it but 3rd time I understood it was a bug. I'ts not like I'm glitching it on purpose, it's there in the game, but I'm wondering straight out 2 things:
1: why is this still in the game
2: Is this consider an exploit?

If it's not allowed, you can do a popup on the screen like you do with the crown store, with a message about it. Don't mail it, everyone's mailbox are full, 100% sure XD

We can't blame people too much for doing it either, because I think 5-6 times maybe more, there was a door blocking me for going in which was actually sieged, and I'm also stuck in the middle of the field because the game graphics haven't loaded yet or something. Looks like nintendo 64 graphics.

In the last Twitch, the guy in charge of PVP said a fix is coming but that it's not quite done yet.

starkerealm

DarkAedin wrote: »

Shadow-Fighter wrote: »

We have a zero tolerance policy for cheating/exploiting/using unapproved third party tools (such as Cheat Engine), so you should also know that even a single instance can lead to a 72-hour suspension, or even a permanent ban, depending on the offense. And in the specific case of Cheat Engine, even the first offense will result in a permanent ban.

Dont forget. Zos ruined their base game many times, and threw out bans/suspensions regardless of if u were aware of the bug or not. But not to the twitch community or
anyone who paid them via crown store.

-remember the 1mil xp kills in sewers last year?

Yes, in fact. Do you?

Players who went into the sewers killed a few things, were getting a CP with every pull, and realized something wasn't right, weren't punished at all.

It's the players who discovered the exploit and then spent 30 or 40 minutes in the sewers farming up hundreds of CP that were banned. Then they scampered onto the forums to cry about it, because they were punished for exploiting a broken system, and couldn't be expected to know when the game was behaving abnormally, even though they'd been talking about it in chat.

DarkAedin wrote: »

-Farming for 7th legion/spriggans weapons while the group event boss was bugged and giving out a skill point each kill?

And, again, the players who got one or two skill points out of it, realized something was amiss, and left weren't punished. It was the ones who went in, and were grinding up dozens of skill points who were punished. Then they scampered off onto these boards, and tried to defend themselves by claiming they weren't smart enough to understand that you couldn't, normally, grind Skill Points on a static boss.

DarkAedin wrote: »

These are 2 instances where players went about their normal life killing things the way devs intended us to, but got suspended anyway bc the devs broke the most basic part of xp/skillpoint gains.

I think you missed a critical point. In both cases players discovered an easy to execute exploit and then tried to claim idiocy, when they were punished for it.

This is ****ing toddler logic. "You told me I couldn't have candy, but there was all that chocolate on the reception desk, but I didn't know that was candy, so you can't punish me."

DarkAedin wrote: »

This specific issue is a game breaking issue and its been here since summerset was on pts.

The fact that u have the audacity to come here and tell us that we will be getting in trouble if we abuse the bug rather then fixing it over the past month plus; is dispicable and disgusting. Shame.

Honestly? You want to abuse this? Go for it. We won't stop you. But don't come back crying, when you're banned for hoovering up all the sweets after you were warned not to take any.