What now for a sorc?

Micah_Bayer

Rune cage gets its dmg nullified completely and is now dodgeable, okay that skill is useless, frags was nerfed twice in order for them to buff rune cage but now both sit nerfed? Sorcs have flame reach for a cc and every other class has a cc that is reliable other than sorc now. This puts the class in a very bad spot if sorcerer does not get any type of buff.

AhPook_Is_Here

They haven't nerfed overload again yet. Better not to ask.

leepalmer95

Use clench and hope you don't run into anyone with s&b deflect, any dk (which is gonna get popular) or a warden.

They over nerfed it. The problem was that it was buggy and not the skill itself. Of course this got ignored because of all the whiners crying about the skill and now next patch it's going to not be used by most good players but still spammed in zergs and still going to bug out while your getting zerged down.

Good job everyone.

Micah_Bayer

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Use clench and hope you don't run into anyone with s&b deflect, any dk (which is gonna get popular) or a warden.

They over nerfed it. The problem was that it was buggy and not the skill itself. Of course this got ignored because of all the whiners crying about the skill and now next patch it's going to not be used by most good players but still spammed in zergs and still going to bug out while your getting zerged down.

Good job everyone.

Plus clench is not viable unless you have a masters staff.

Shewolf075

Ain't got nothing on the Warden's nerf pains.

leepalmer95

Shewolf075 wrote: »

Ain't got nothing on the Warden's nerf pains.

Stam warden has been top 3 pvp class since release. Being top 1 for a long time.

Mag warden needs a cc yeah.

Yubarius

Lmao try playing a magwarden with no execute, no mobility besides spamming bird of prey every 10 seconds, no stun besides permafrost (you silly sorcs still have streak btw so please dont cry when you lose one of your stuns when I have none), and y'all have infinite sustain with dark conversion or whatever it is, and a 3rd bar?? Sorcs need to be taken down a few pegs in pvp, sorry not sorry.

Micah_Bayer

Yubarius wrote: »

Lmao try playing a magwarden with no execute, no mobility besides spamming bird of prey every 10 seconds, no stun besides permafrost (you silly sorcs still have streak btw so please dont cry when you lose one of your stuns when I have none), and y'all have infinite sustain with dark conversion or whatever it is, and a 3rd bar?? Sorcs need to be taken down a few pegs in pvp, sorry not sorry.

Mag warden is designed for group play, sorcerer is not. Besides it's like stam sorc its crap compared to mag sorc just like stam warden is godly compared to mag warden which is garbage. Are you saying you want classes to be dubbed down rather than you buffed? Thought so.

leepalmer95

Yubarius wrote: »

Lmao try playing a magwarden with no execute, no mobility besides spamming bird of prey every 10 seconds, no stun besides permafrost (you silly sorcs still have streak btw so please dont cry when you lose one of your stuns when I have none), and y'all have infinite sustain with dark conversion or whatever it is, and a 3rd bar?? Sorcs need to be taken down a few pegs in pvp, sorry not sorry.

Streak is not a primary stun, it lasts for like a second and is melee ranged. Which isn't what you want on a ranged class.

You're complaining about overload which makes you drop resto ult and it horrible to use in any lag?

Yeah dark deal is strong and the fact you can't interrupt with cc immunity is stupid but it costs stamina. CC the damn sorc on cooldown and they won't spam dark deal.

nemvar

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Yubarius wrote: »

Lmao try playing a magwarden with no execute, no mobility besides spamming bird of prey every 10 seconds, no stun besides permafrost (you silly sorcs still have streak btw so please dont cry when you lose one of your stuns when I have none), and y'all have infinite sustain with dark conversion or whatever it is, and a 3rd bar?? Sorcs need to be taken down a few pegs in pvp, sorry not sorry.

Streak is not a primary stun, it lasts for like a second and is melee ranged. Which isn't what you want on a ranged class.

You're complaining about overload which makes you drop resto ult and it horrible to use in any lag?

Yeah dark deal is strong and the fact you can't interrupt with cc immunity is stupid but it costs stamina. CC the damn sorc on cooldown and they won't spam dark deal.

Streak is a very good stun if used correctly. With the way sorc works next patch you want to use streak to cc roll dodgers while using runecage to cc permablockers. You quite literally have all the tools you need to do your damn burst combo yet you are here complaining because you sometimes need to press buttons in another order. The duration of the stun really doesn't matter because every decent player cc break anyways as soon as possible.

Also streak is melee range? Lol. Even if it were melee range it wouldn't matter. This is eso, almost all fights are in melee anyways.

Micah_Bayer

nemvar wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Yubarius wrote: »

Lmao try playing a magwarden with no execute, no mobility besides spamming bird of prey every 10 seconds, no stun besides permafrost (you silly sorcs still have streak btw so please dont cry when you lose one of your stuns when I have none), and y'all have infinite sustain with dark conversion or whatever it is, and a 3rd bar?? Sorcs need to be taken down a few pegs in pvp, sorry not sorry.

Streak is not a primary stun, it lasts for like a second and is melee ranged. Which isn't what you want on a ranged class.

You're complaining about overload which makes you drop resto ult and it horrible to use in any lag?

Yeah dark deal is strong and the fact you can't interrupt with cc immunity is stupid but it costs stamina. CC the damn sorc on cooldown and they won't spam dark deal.

Streak is a very good stun if used correctly. With the way sorc works next patch you want to use streak to cc roll dodgers while using runecage to cc permablockers. You quite literally have all the tools you need to do your damn burst combo yet you are here complaining because you sometimes need to press buttons in another order. The duration of the stun really doesn't matter because every decent player cc break anyways as soon as possible.

Also streak is melee range? Lol. Even if it were melee range it wouldn't matter. This is eso, almost all fights are in melee anyways.

If I wanted to cc someone I wouldn't want to propel towards them so they can hit me. That logic is flawed.

nemvar

Micah_Bayer wrote: »

nemvar wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Yubarius wrote: »

Lmao try playing a magwarden with no execute, no mobility besides spamming bird of prey every 10 seconds, no stun besides permafrost (you silly sorcs still have streak btw so please dont cry when you lose one of your stuns when I have none), and y'all have infinite sustain with dark conversion or whatever it is, and a 3rd bar?? Sorcs need to be taken down a few pegs in pvp, sorry not sorry.

Streak is not a primary stun, it lasts for like a second and is melee ranged. Which isn't what you want on a ranged class.

You're complaining about overload which makes you drop resto ult and it horrible to use in any lag?

Yeah dark deal is strong and the fact you can't interrupt with cc immunity is stupid but it costs stamina. CC the damn sorc on cooldown and they won't spam dark deal.

Streak is a very good stun if used correctly. With the way sorc works next patch you want to use streak to cc roll dodgers while using runecage to cc permablockers. You quite literally have all the tools you need to do your damn burst combo yet you are here complaining because you sometimes need to press buttons in another order. The duration of the stun really doesn't matter because every decent player cc break anyways as soon as possible.

Also streak is melee range? Lol. Even if it were melee range it wouldn't matter. This is eso, almost all fights are in melee anyways.

If I wanted to cc someone I wouldn't want to propel towards them so they can hit me. That logic is flawed.

It's risk versus reward. Aka good game design.

Strider__Roshin

Micah_Bayer wrote: »

Rune cage gets its dmg nullified completely and is now dodgeable, okay that skill is useless, frags was nerfed twice in order for them to buff rune cage but now both sit nerfed? Sorcs have flame reach for a cc and every other class has a cc that is reliable other than sorc now. This puts the class in a very bad spot if sorcerer does not get any type of buff.

No this puts sorcs in a very good spot rather than broken OP. This is equivalent to stamblades saying their class is dead because Incap no longer CCs by default.

Yubarius

Micah_Bayer wrote: »

Yubarius wrote: »

Lmao try playing a magwarden with no execute, no mobility besides spamming bird of prey every 10 seconds, no stun besides permafrost (you silly sorcs still have streak btw so please dont cry when you lose one of your stuns when I have none), and y'all have infinite sustain with dark conversion or whatever it is, and a 3rd bar?? Sorcs need to be taken down a few pegs in pvp, sorry not sorry.

Mag warden is designed for group play, sorcerer is not. Besides it's like stam sorc its crap compared to mag sorc just like stam warden is godly compared to mag warden which is garbage. Are you saying you want classes to be dubbed down rather than you buffed? Thought so.

Well when there are such insane differences in combat effectiveness like msorc and stamsorc or godly stamden compared to magden, that's not a very good job at balancing but we all know who's in charge of that. I just dont like it when mains of the OP class whine when they get out on an even playing field with everyone else while some of us have been playing gimped classes for months and years. Are you saying it's wrong to want a balance between classes? Thought so.

ExcaliburESO

Oh you poor little crybabies u don't have a class reliable stun guess what I'm playing without execute gap closer escape skill sustain skill and still doing well. And u scrubs got ur stolen fossilised nerfed and crying like little kids how about l2p and use wpn skills like everyone else....

leepalmer95

nemvar wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Yubarius wrote: »

Lmao try playing a magwarden with no execute, no mobility besides spamming bird of prey every 10 seconds, no stun besides permafrost (you silly sorcs still have streak btw so please dont cry when you lose one of your stuns when I have none), and y'all have infinite sustain with dark conversion or whatever it is, and a 3rd bar?? Sorcs need to be taken down a few pegs in pvp, sorry not sorry.

Streak is not a primary stun, it lasts for like a second and is melee ranged. Which isn't what you want on a ranged class.

You're complaining about overload which makes you drop resto ult and it horrible to use in any lag?

Yeah dark deal is strong and the fact you can't interrupt with cc immunity is stupid but it costs stamina. CC the damn sorc on cooldown and they won't spam dark deal.

Streak is a very good stun if used correctly. With the way sorc works next patch you want to use streak to cc roll dodgers while using runecage to cc permablockers. You quite literally have all the tools you need to do your damn burst combo yet you are here complaining because you sometimes need to press buttons in another order. The duration of the stun really doesn't matter because every decent player cc break anyways as soon as possible.

Also streak is melee range? Lol. Even if it were melee range it wouldn't matter. This is eso, almost all fights are in melee anyways.

Streak as a stun is terrible, especially for offence. It's used to hopefully make some space. It's not used a part of a burst combo.

So you play sorc? Try it on console with the sensitivity set and tell me how you stun them and turn the camera around and hit them with a frag before they cc break?

leepalmer95

nemvar wrote: »

Micah_Bayer wrote: »

nemvar wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Yubarius wrote: »

Lmao try playing a magwarden with no execute, no mobility besides spamming bird of prey every 10 seconds, no stun besides permafrost (you silly sorcs still have streak btw so please dont cry when you lose one of your stuns when I have none), and y'all have infinite sustain with dark conversion or whatever it is, and a 3rd bar?? Sorcs need to be taken down a few pegs in pvp, sorry not sorry.

Streak is not a primary stun, it lasts for like a second and is melee ranged. Which isn't what you want on a ranged class.

You're complaining about overload which makes you drop resto ult and it horrible to use in any lag?

Yeah dark deal is strong and the fact you can't interrupt with cc immunity is stupid but it costs stamina. CC the damn sorc on cooldown and they won't spam dark deal.

Streak is a very good stun if used correctly. With the way sorc works next patch you want to use streak to cc roll dodgers while using runecage to cc permablockers. You quite literally have all the tools you need to do your damn burst combo yet you are here complaining because you sometimes need to press buttons in another order. The duration of the stun really doesn't matter because every decent player cc break anyways as soon as possible.

Also streak is melee range? Lol. Even if it were melee range it wouldn't matter. This is eso, almost all fights are in melee anyways.

If I wanted to cc someone I wouldn't want to propel towards them so they can hit me. That logic is flawed.

It's risk versus reward. Aka good game design.

Literally all risk and no reward.

Again why would i want to get melee range to cc someone on a ranged class?

It's like having all melee users only able to cc people from 40+m away.

nemvar

leepalmer95 wrote: »

nemvar wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Yubarius wrote: »

Lmao try playing a magwarden with no execute, no mobility besides spamming bird of prey every 10 seconds, no stun besides permafrost (you silly sorcs still have streak btw so please dont cry when you lose one of your stuns when I have none), and y'all have infinite sustain with dark conversion or whatever it is, and a 3rd bar?? Sorcs need to be taken down a few pegs in pvp, sorry not sorry.

Streak is not a primary stun, it lasts for like a second and is melee ranged. Which isn't what you want on a ranged class.

You're complaining about overload which makes you drop resto ult and it horrible to use in any lag?

Yeah dark deal is strong and the fact you can't interrupt with cc immunity is stupid but it costs stamina. CC the damn sorc on cooldown and they won't spam dark deal.

Streak is a very good stun if used correctly. With the way sorc works next patch you want to use streak to cc roll dodgers while using runecage to cc permablockers. You quite literally have all the tools you need to do your damn burst combo yet you are here complaining because you sometimes need to press buttons in another order. The duration of the stun really doesn't matter because every decent player cc break anyways as soon as possible.

Also streak is melee range? Lol. Even if it were melee range it wouldn't matter. This is eso, almost all fights are in melee anyways.

Streak as a stun is terrible, especially for offence. It's used to hopefully make some space. It's not used a part of a burst combo.

So you play sorc? Try it on console with the sensitivity set and tell me how you stun them and turn the camera around and hit them with a frag before they cc break?

Every other class needs to be in melee range to stun people mid-dodge except sorc. A lot of sorcs told me to adapt to the abomination that is rc. Maybe they should take a bit of their own medicine.

With mouse and keyboard I don't have an issue doing a 180 so it never crossed my mind that the plebs have a problem with that.

Kel

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Yubarius wrote: »

Lmao try playing a magwarden with no execute, no mobility besides spamming bird of prey every 10 seconds, no stun besides permafrost (you silly sorcs still have streak btw so please dont cry when you lose one of your stuns when I have none), and y'all have infinite sustain with dark conversion or whatever it is, and a 3rd bar?? Sorcs need to be taken down a few pegs in pvp, sorry not sorry.

Streak is not a primary stun, it lasts for like a second and is melee ranged. Which isn't what you want on a ranged class.

You're complaining about overload which makes you drop resto ult and it horrible to use in any lag?

Yeah dark deal is strong and the fact you can't interrupt with cc immunity is stupid but it costs stamina. CC the damn sorc on cooldown and they won't spam dark deal.

So tired of hearing "x ability isn't good because I'm a ranged class"..
Yeah, the thing is for most other classes to damage you, they need to be in melee range. It makes complete sense that you want something to stun a player that gets close. Yes, you play a ranged class. Does that somehow mean you never have to deal with someone in your face?
No, no it doesn't. Players get in melee range because they need to.
That absence of logic is astounding.
You'd think ranged classes would want more tools to use against a melee class when they inevitably get up close, but as a mostly melee player myself, I encourage this way of thinking. I appreciate the help in killing you..

leepalmer95 wrote: »

nemvar wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Yubarius wrote: »

Lmao try playing a magwarden with no execute, no mobility besides spamming bird of prey every 10 seconds, no stun besides permafrost (you silly sorcs still have streak btw so please dont cry when you lose one of your stuns when I have none), and y'all have infinite sustain with dark conversion or whatever it is, and a 3rd bar?? Sorcs need to be taken down a few pegs in pvp, sorry not sorry.

Streak is not a primary stun, it lasts for like a second and is melee ranged. Which isn't what you want on a ranged class.

You're complaining about overload which makes you drop resto ult and it horrible to use in any lag?

Yeah dark deal is strong and the fact you can't interrupt with cc immunity is stupid but it costs stamina. CC the damn sorc on cooldown and they won't spam dark deal.

Streak is a very good stun if used correctly. With the way sorc works next patch you want to use streak to cc roll dodgers while using runecage to cc permablockers. You quite literally have all the tools you need to do your damn burst combo yet you are here complaining because you sometimes need to press buttons in another order. The duration of the stun really doesn't matter because every decent player cc break anyways as soon as possible.

Also streak is melee range? Lol. Even if it were melee range it wouldn't matter. This is eso, almost all fights are in melee anyways.

Streak as a stun is terrible, especially for offence. It's used to hopefully make some space. It's not used a part of a burst combo.

So you play sorc? Try it on console with the sensitivity set and tell me how you stun them and turn the camera around and hit them with a frag before they cc break?

Not everything HAS to be about your burst. Heaven forbid sorc play with some defense in mind outside of stacking shields. Unless you're saying shield stacking is so good you don't need any other thought to defense.
Funny since most sorcs downplay how effective shield stacking is.

leepalmer95

jabrone77 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Yubarius wrote: »

Lmao try playing a magwarden with no execute, no mobility besides spamming bird of prey every 10 seconds, no stun besides permafrost (you silly sorcs still have streak btw so please dont cry when you lose one of your stuns when I have none), and y'all have infinite sustain with dark conversion or whatever it is, and a 3rd bar?? Sorcs need to be taken down a few pegs in pvp, sorry not sorry.

Streak is not a primary stun, it lasts for like a second and is melee ranged. Which isn't what you want on a ranged class.

You're complaining about overload which makes you drop resto ult and it horrible to use in any lag?

Yeah dark deal is strong and the fact you can't interrupt with cc immunity is stupid but it costs stamina. CC the damn sorc on cooldown and they won't spam dark deal.

So tired of hearing "x ability isn't good because I'm a ranged class"..
Yeah, the thing is for most other classes to damage you, they need to be in melee range. It makes complete sense that you want something to stun a player that gets close. Yes, you play a ranged class. Does that somehow mean you never have to deal with someone in your face?
No, no it doesn't. Players get in melee range because they need to.
That absence of logic is astounding.
You'd think ranged classes would want more tools to use against a melee class when they inevitably get up close, but as a mostly melee player myself, I encourage this way of thinking. I appreciate the help in killing you..

leepalmer95 wrote: »

nemvar wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Yubarius wrote: »

Lmao try playing a magwarden with no execute, no mobility besides spamming bird of prey every 10 seconds, no stun besides permafrost (you silly sorcs still have streak btw so please dont cry when you lose one of your stuns when I have none), and y'all have infinite sustain with dark conversion or whatever it is, and a 3rd bar?? Sorcs need to be taken down a few pegs in pvp, sorry not sorry.

Streak is not a primary stun, it lasts for like a second and is melee ranged. Which isn't what you want on a ranged class.

You're complaining about overload which makes you drop resto ult and it horrible to use in any lag?

Yeah dark deal is strong and the fact you can't interrupt with cc immunity is stupid but it costs stamina. CC the damn sorc on cooldown and they won't spam dark deal.

Streak is a very good stun if used correctly. With the way sorc works next patch you want to use streak to cc roll dodgers while using runecage to cc permablockers. You quite literally have all the tools you need to do your damn burst combo yet you are here complaining because you sometimes need to press buttons in another order. The duration of the stun really doesn't matter because every decent player cc break anyways as soon as possible.

Also streak is melee range? Lol. Even if it were melee range it wouldn't matter. This is eso, almost all fights are in melee anyways.

Streak as a stun is terrible, especially for offence. It's used to hopefully make some space. It's not used a part of a burst combo.

So you play sorc? Try it on console with the sensitivity set and tell me how you stun them and turn the camera around and hit them with a frag before they cc break?

Not everything HAS to be about your burst. Heaven forbid sorc play with some defense in mind outside of stacking shields. Unless you're saying shield stacking is so good you don't need any other thought to defense.

You act like i play sorc only, it's clear that most of the people replying here don't and have to weird hatred for it.

Streak is not a primary stun. It's not an offensive stun. It's not used as part of a burst of offensive rotation.

Is that so hard to understand.

It's also has a cost stacking mechanic, so yeah great cc to use when it starts costing 6k a go for a 1s stun.

Kel

leepalmer95 wrote: »

jabrone77 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Yubarius wrote: »

Lmao try playing a magwarden with no execute, no mobility besides spamming bird of prey every 10 seconds, no stun besides permafrost (you silly sorcs still have streak btw so please dont cry when you lose one of your stuns when I have none), and y'all have infinite sustain with dark conversion or whatever it is, and a 3rd bar?? Sorcs need to be taken down a few pegs in pvp, sorry not sorry.

Streak is not a primary stun, it lasts for like a second and is melee ranged. Which isn't what you want on a ranged class.

You're complaining about overload which makes you drop resto ult and it horrible to use in any lag?

Yeah dark deal is strong and the fact you can't interrupt with cc immunity is stupid but it costs stamina. CC the damn sorc on cooldown and they won't spam dark deal.

So tired of hearing "x ability isn't good because I'm a ranged class"..
Yeah, the thing is for most other classes to damage you, they need to be in melee range. It makes complete sense that you want something to stun a player that gets close. Yes, you play a ranged class. Does that somehow mean you never have to deal with someone in your face?
No, no it doesn't. Players get in melee range because they need to.
That absence of logic is astounding.
You'd think ranged classes would want more tools to use against a melee class when they inevitably get up close, but as a mostly melee player myself, I encourage this way of thinking. I appreciate the help in killing you..

leepalmer95 wrote: »

nemvar wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Yubarius wrote: »

Lmao try playing a magwarden with no execute, no mobility besides spamming bird of prey every 10 seconds, no stun besides permafrost (you silly sorcs still have streak btw so please dont cry when you lose one of your stuns when I have none), and y'all have infinite sustain with dark conversion or whatever it is, and a 3rd bar?? Sorcs need to be taken down a few pegs in pvp, sorry not sorry.

Streak is not a primary stun, it lasts for like a second and is melee ranged. Which isn't what you want on a ranged class.

You're complaining about overload which makes you drop resto ult and it horrible to use in any lag?

Yeah dark deal is strong and the fact you can't interrupt with cc immunity is stupid but it costs stamina. CC the damn sorc on cooldown and they won't spam dark deal.

Streak is a very good stun if used correctly. With the way sorc works next patch you want to use streak to cc roll dodgers while using runecage to cc permablockers. You quite literally have all the tools you need to do your damn burst combo yet you are here complaining because you sometimes need to press buttons in another order. The duration of the stun really doesn't matter because every decent player cc break anyways as soon as possible.

Also streak is melee range? Lol. Even if it were melee range it wouldn't matter. This is eso, almost all fights are in melee anyways.

Streak as a stun is terrible, especially for offence. It's used to hopefully make some space. It's not used a part of a burst combo.

So you play sorc? Try it on console with the sensitivity set and tell me how you stun them and turn the camera around and hit them with a frag before they cc break?

Not everything HAS to be about your burst. Heaven forbid sorc play with some defense in mind outside of stacking shields. Unless you're saying shield stacking is so good you don't need any other thought to defense.

You act like i play sorc only, it's clear that most of the people replying here don't and have to weird hatred for it.

Streak is not a primary stun. It's not an offensive stun. It's not used as part of a burst of offensive rotation.

Is that so hard to understand.

It's also has a cost stacking mechanic, so yeah great cc to use when it starts costing 6k a go for a 1s stun.

Did you not read what I wrote?
Who says everything has to be about your burst?
Funny how you have no answer for that.
Unless you just zerg, you'd think you'd give more thought to how melee players get close to you.
But no, go ahead and keep only thinking about offense. This only helps melee when your burst fails and you have no answer or plan when you get cornered.

Nyladreas

Micah_Bayer wrote: »

Rune cage gets its dmg nullified completely and is now dodgeable, okay that skill is useless, frags was nerfed twice in order for them to buff rune cage but now both sit nerfed? Sorcs have flame reach for a cc and every other class has a cc that is reliable other than sorc now. This puts the class in a very bad spot if sorcerer does not get any type of buff.

YES!!! FINALLY! *** FINALLY! THANKS FOR MAKING MY DAY! THIS IS THE ONLY REASON WHY I CAME TO THE FORUMS!

THANK YOU @ZOS_Wrobel FOR LISTENING!

NOW MAKE A MAGWARDEN VIABLE, ESPECIALLY IN FROST!

nemvar

leepalmer95 wrote: »

jabrone77 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Yubarius wrote: »

Lmao try playing a magwarden with no execute, no mobility besides spamming bird of prey every 10 seconds, no stun besides permafrost (you silly sorcs still have streak btw so please dont cry when you lose one of your stuns when I have none), and y'all have infinite sustain with dark conversion or whatever it is, and a 3rd bar?? Sorcs need to be taken down a few pegs in pvp, sorry not sorry.

Streak is not a primary stun, it lasts for like a second and is melee ranged. Which isn't what you want on a ranged class.

You're complaining about overload which makes you drop resto ult and it horrible to use in any lag?

Yeah dark deal is strong and the fact you can't interrupt with cc immunity is stupid but it costs stamina. CC the damn sorc on cooldown and they won't spam dark deal.

So tired of hearing "x ability isn't good because I'm a ranged class"..
Yeah, the thing is for most other classes to damage you, they need to be in melee range. It makes complete sense that you want something to stun a player that gets close. Yes, you play a ranged class. Does that somehow mean you never have to deal with someone in your face?
No, no it doesn't. Players get in melee range because they need to.
That absence of logic is astounding.
You'd think ranged classes would want more tools to use against a melee class when they inevitably get up close, but as a mostly melee player myself, I encourage this way of thinking. I appreciate the help in killing you..

leepalmer95 wrote: »

nemvar wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Yubarius wrote: »

Lmao try playing a magwarden with no execute, no mobility besides spamming bird of prey every 10 seconds, no stun besides permafrost (you silly sorcs still have streak btw so please dont cry when you lose one of your stuns when I have none), and y'all have infinite sustain with dark conversion or whatever it is, and a 3rd bar?? Sorcs need to be taken down a few pegs in pvp, sorry not sorry.

Streak is not a primary stun, it lasts for like a second and is melee ranged. Which isn't what you want on a ranged class.

You're complaining about overload which makes you drop resto ult and it horrible to use in any lag?

Yeah dark deal is strong and the fact you can't interrupt with cc immunity is stupid but it costs stamina. CC the damn sorc on cooldown and they won't spam dark deal.

Streak is a very good stun if used correctly. With the way sorc works next patch you want to use streak to cc roll dodgers while using runecage to cc permablockers. You quite literally have all the tools you need to do your damn burst combo yet you are here complaining because you sometimes need to press buttons in another order. The duration of the stun really doesn't matter because every decent player cc break anyways as soon as possible.

Also streak is melee range? Lol. Even if it were melee range it wouldn't matter. This is eso, almost all fights are in melee anyways.

Streak as a stun is terrible, especially for offence. It's used to hopefully make some space. It's not used a part of a burst combo.

So you play sorc? Try it on console with the sensitivity set and tell me how you stun them and turn the camera around and hit them with a frag before they cc break?

Not everything HAS to be about your burst. Heaven forbid sorc play with some defense in mind outside of stacking shields. Unless you're saying shield stacking is so good you don't need any other thought to defense.

You act like i play sorc only, it's clear that most of the people replying here don't and have to weird hatred for it.

Streak is not a primary stun. It's not an offensive stun. It's not used as part of a burst of offensive rotation.

Is that so hard to understand.

It's also has a cost stacking mechanic, so yeah great cc to use when it starts costing 6k a go for a 1s stun.

Dodgeroll also has a stacking mechanic. You want to use streak to counter dodgeroll to hit your burst. Your roation would be curse->mages wrath->streak, if dodging/rune cage, if blocking->frag/forcepulse.

It works perfectly fine. I have done it before. It's sometimes a little bit clunky but gets the job done. You don't even need to change your bar to do this because sorcs already run streak. Just because streak isn't used offensively right now doesn't mean it won't be in the future. NOTHING is preventing you from using streak as an offensive tool.

Just because it needs more skill to execute doesn't mean it is bad.

You also keep mentioning the stun duration as if it would matter. Only noobs don't instantly break free and if your opponent has the stamina to dodge, he has the stamina to break free.

leepalmer95

jabrone77 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

jabrone77 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Yubarius wrote: »

Lmao try playing a magwarden with no execute, no mobility besides spamming bird of prey every 10 seconds, no stun besides permafrost (you silly sorcs still have streak btw so please dont cry when you lose one of your stuns when I have none), and y'all have infinite sustain with dark conversion or whatever it is, and a 3rd bar?? Sorcs need to be taken down a few pegs in pvp, sorry not sorry.

Streak is not a primary stun, it lasts for like a second and is melee ranged. Which isn't what you want on a ranged class.

You're complaining about overload which makes you drop resto ult and it horrible to use in any lag?

Yeah dark deal is strong and the fact you can't interrupt with cc immunity is stupid but it costs stamina. CC the damn sorc on cooldown and they won't spam dark deal.

So tired of hearing "x ability isn't good because I'm a ranged class"..
Yeah, the thing is for most other classes to damage you, they need to be in melee range. It makes complete sense that you want something to stun a player that gets close. Yes, you play a ranged class. Does that somehow mean you never have to deal with someone in your face?
No, no it doesn't. Players get in melee range because they need to.
That absence of logic is astounding.
You'd think ranged classes would want more tools to use against a melee class when they inevitably get up close, but as a mostly melee player myself, I encourage this way of thinking. I appreciate the help in killing you..

leepalmer95 wrote: »

nemvar wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Yubarius wrote: »

Lmao try playing a magwarden with no execute, no mobility besides spamming bird of prey every 10 seconds, no stun besides permafrost (you silly sorcs still have streak btw so please dont cry when you lose one of your stuns when I have none), and y'all have infinite sustain with dark conversion or whatever it is, and a 3rd bar?? Sorcs need to be taken down a few pegs in pvp, sorry not sorry.

Streak is not a primary stun, it lasts for like a second and is melee ranged. Which isn't what you want on a ranged class.

You're complaining about overload which makes you drop resto ult and it horrible to use in any lag?

Yeah dark deal is strong and the fact you can't interrupt with cc immunity is stupid but it costs stamina. CC the damn sorc on cooldown and they won't spam dark deal.

Streak is a very good stun if used correctly. With the way sorc works next patch you want to use streak to cc roll dodgers while using runecage to cc permablockers. You quite literally have all the tools you need to do your damn burst combo yet you are here complaining because you sometimes need to press buttons in another order. The duration of the stun really doesn't matter because every decent player cc break anyways as soon as possible.

Also streak is melee range? Lol. Even if it were melee range it wouldn't matter. This is eso, almost all fights are in melee anyways.

Streak as a stun is terrible, especially for offence. It's used to hopefully make some space. It's not used a part of a burst combo.

So you play sorc? Try it on console with the sensitivity set and tell me how you stun them and turn the camera around and hit them with a frag before they cc break?

Not everything HAS to be about your burst. Heaven forbid sorc play with some defense in mind outside of stacking shields. Unless you're saying shield stacking is so good you don't need any other thought to defense.

You act like i play sorc only, it's clear that most of the people replying here don't and have to weird hatred for it.

Streak is not a primary stun. It's not an offensive stun. It's not used as part of a burst of offensive rotation.

Is that so hard to understand.

It's also has a cost stacking mechanic, so yeah great cc to use when it starts costing 6k a go for a 1s stun.

Did you not read what I wrote?
Who says everything has to be about your burst?
Funny how you have no answer for that.
Unless you just zerg, you'd think you'd give more thought to how melee players get close to you.
But no, go ahead and keep only thinking about offense. This only helps melee when your burst fails and you have no answer or plan when you get cornered.

Then i los? Or streak away...

Not use the streak as a primary cc to handle dodge rollers. The stun is so short it's not even worth cc breaking most of the time. Pls tell me how its going to handle roll dodgers?

I have mines/ shields/ like of sight/ mobility etc.. for melee? I'm confused on how you've go so far off track.

The point you made was streak was to deal with roll dodgers, tell me how? Am i just going to randomly streak when they roll? For what?

The point of killing people in pvp is burst, if you don't burst people they'll just heal. If as a sorc i don't burst a stamina users they'll pop vigor and heal and i wont be able to do anything about that.

Qwazzy

Just make frag stun again. It's telegraphed and easily to counter.

leepalmer95

nemvar wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

jabrone77 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Yubarius wrote: »

Lmao try playing a magwarden with no execute, no mobility besides spamming bird of prey every 10 seconds, no stun besides permafrost (you silly sorcs still have streak btw so please dont cry when you lose one of your stuns when I have none), and y'all have infinite sustain with dark conversion or whatever it is, and a 3rd bar?? Sorcs need to be taken down a few pegs in pvp, sorry not sorry.

Streak is not a primary stun, it lasts for like a second and is melee ranged. Which isn't what you want on a ranged class.

You're complaining about overload which makes you drop resto ult and it horrible to use in any lag?

Yeah dark deal is strong and the fact you can't interrupt with cc immunity is stupid but it costs stamina. CC the damn sorc on cooldown and they won't spam dark deal.

So tired of hearing "x ability isn't good because I'm a ranged class"..
Yeah, the thing is for most other classes to damage you, they need to be in melee range. It makes complete sense that you want something to stun a player that gets close. Yes, you play a ranged class. Does that somehow mean you never have to deal with someone in your face?
No, no it doesn't. Players get in melee range because they need to.
That absence of logic is astounding.
You'd think ranged classes would want more tools to use against a melee class when they inevitably get up close, but as a mostly melee player myself, I encourage this way of thinking. I appreciate the help in killing you..

leepalmer95 wrote: »

nemvar wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Yubarius wrote: »

Lmao try playing a magwarden with no execute, no mobility besides spamming bird of prey every 10 seconds, no stun besides permafrost (you silly sorcs still have streak btw so please dont cry when you lose one of your stuns when I have none), and y'all have infinite sustain with dark conversion or whatever it is, and a 3rd bar?? Sorcs need to be taken down a few pegs in pvp, sorry not sorry.

Streak is not a primary stun, it lasts for like a second and is melee ranged. Which isn't what you want on a ranged class.

You're complaining about overload which makes you drop resto ult and it horrible to use in any lag?

Yeah dark deal is strong and the fact you can't interrupt with cc immunity is stupid but it costs stamina. CC the damn sorc on cooldown and they won't spam dark deal.

Streak is a very good stun if used correctly. With the way sorc works next patch you want to use streak to cc roll dodgers while using runecage to cc permablockers. You quite literally have all the tools you need to do your damn burst combo yet you are here complaining because you sometimes need to press buttons in another order. The duration of the stun really doesn't matter because every decent player cc break anyways as soon as possible.

Also streak is melee range? Lol. Even if it were melee range it wouldn't matter. This is eso, almost all fights are in melee anyways.

Streak as a stun is terrible, especially for offence. It's used to hopefully make some space. It's not used a part of a burst combo.

So you play sorc? Try it on console with the sensitivity set and tell me how you stun them and turn the camera around and hit them with a frag before they cc break?

Not everything HAS to be about your burst. Heaven forbid sorc play with some defense in mind outside of stacking shields. Unless you're saying shield stacking is so good you don't need any other thought to defense.

You act like i play sorc only, it's clear that most of the people replying here don't and have to weird hatred for it.

Streak is not a primary stun. It's not an offensive stun. It's not used as part of a burst of offensive rotation.

Is that so hard to understand.

It's also has a cost stacking mechanic, so yeah great cc to use when it starts costing 6k a go for a 1s stun.

Dodgeroll also has a stacking mechanic. You want to use streak to counter dodgeroll to hit your burst. Your roation would be curse->mages wrath->streak, if dodging/rune cage, if blocking->frag/forcepulse.

It works perfectly fine. I have done it before. It's sometimes a little bit clunky but gets the job done. You don't even need to change your bar to do this because sorcs already run streak. Just because streak isn't used offensively right now doesn't mean it won't be in the future. NOTHING is preventing you from using streak as an offensive tool.

Just because it needs more skill to execute doesn't mean it is bad.

You also keep mentioning the stun duration as if it would matter. Only noobs don't instantly break free and if your opponent has the stamina to dodge, he has the stamina to break free.

So streak, turn my camera around on console with its locked slow sensitivity and use a skill? Ok.

Not like the person would of already rolled again by that time.

Valrien

jabrone77 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

jabrone77 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Yubarius wrote: »

Lmao try playing a magwarden with no execute, no mobility besides spamming bird of prey every 10 seconds, no stun besides permafrost (you silly sorcs still have streak btw so please dont cry when you lose one of your stuns when I have none), and y'all have infinite sustain with dark conversion or whatever it is, and a 3rd bar?? Sorcs need to be taken down a few pegs in pvp, sorry not sorry.

Streak is not a primary stun, it lasts for like a second and is melee ranged. Which isn't what you want on a ranged class.

You're complaining about overload which makes you drop resto ult and it horrible to use in any lag?

Yeah dark deal is strong and the fact you can't interrupt with cc immunity is stupid but it costs stamina. CC the damn sorc on cooldown and they won't spam dark deal.

So tired of hearing "x ability isn't good because I'm a ranged class"..
Yeah, the thing is for most other classes to damage you, they need to be in melee range. It makes complete sense that you want something to stun a player that gets close. Yes, you play a ranged class. Does that somehow mean you never have to deal with someone in your face?
No, no it doesn't. Players get in melee range because they need to.
That absence of logic is astounding.
You'd think ranged classes would want more tools to use against a melee class when they inevitably get up close, but as a mostly melee player myself, I encourage this way of thinking. I appreciate the help in killing you..

leepalmer95 wrote: »

nemvar wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Yubarius wrote: »

Lmao try playing a magwarden with no execute, no mobility besides spamming bird of prey every 10 seconds, no stun besides permafrost (you silly sorcs still have streak btw so please dont cry when you lose one of your stuns when I have none), and y'all have infinite sustain with dark conversion or whatever it is, and a 3rd bar?? Sorcs need to be taken down a few pegs in pvp, sorry not sorry.

Streak is not a primary stun, it lasts for like a second and is melee ranged. Which isn't what you want on a ranged class.

You're complaining about overload which makes you drop resto ult and it horrible to use in any lag?

Yeah dark deal is strong and the fact you can't interrupt with cc immunity is stupid but it costs stamina. CC the damn sorc on cooldown and they won't spam dark deal.

Streak is a very good stun if used correctly. With the way sorc works next patch you want to use streak to cc roll dodgers while using runecage to cc permablockers. You quite literally have all the tools you need to do your damn burst combo yet you are here complaining because you sometimes need to press buttons in another order. The duration of the stun really doesn't matter because every decent player cc break anyways as soon as possible.

Also streak is melee range? Lol. Even if it were melee range it wouldn't matter. This is eso, almost all fights are in melee anyways.

Streak as a stun is terrible, especially for offence. It's used to hopefully make some space. It's not used a part of a burst combo.

So you play sorc? Try it on console with the sensitivity set and tell me how you stun them and turn the camera around and hit them with a frag before they cc break?

Not everything HAS to be about your burst. Heaven forbid sorc play with some defense in mind outside of stacking shields. Unless you're saying shield stacking is so good you don't need any other thought to defense.

You act like i play sorc only, it's clear that most of the people replying here don't and have to weird hatred for it.

Streak is not a primary stun. It's not an offensive stun. It's not used as part of a burst of offensive rotation.

Is that so hard to understand.

It's also has a cost stacking mechanic, so yeah great cc to use when it starts costing 6k a go for a 1s stun.

Did you not read what I wrote?
Who says everything has to be about your burst?
Funny how you have no answer for that.
Unless you just zerg, you'd think you'd give more thought to how melee players get close to you.
But no, go ahead and keep only thinking about offense. This only helps melee when your burst fails and you have no answer or plan when you get cornered.

Because that's the way you play Sorc? Sorc is a burst DPS class, do you know what that means? It means the class is about burst.

It's like asking a DK why they care about their DoTs so much.

As for shields, how else are we supposed to build a Sorc? That's their defense, they don't HAVE anything else.

It's almost as if you don't play Sorc and only hate it because everyone else does

Kel

Nyladreas wrote: »

Micah_Bayer wrote: »

Rune cage gets its dmg nullified completely and is now dodgeable, okay that skill is useless, frags was nerfed twice in order for them to buff rune cage but now both sit nerfed? Sorcs have flame reach for a cc and every other class has a cc that is reliable other than sorc now. This puts the class in a very bad spot if sorcerer does not get any type of buff.

YES!!! FINALLY! *** FINALLY! THANKS FOR MAKING MY DAY! THIS IS THE ONLY REASON WHY I CAME TO THE FORUMS!

THANK YOU @ZOS_Wrobel FOR LISTENING!

NOW MAKE A MAGWARDEN VIABLE, ESPECIALLY IN FROST!

I got you..

https://youtu.be/FBTcgnGAlHM

Micah_Bayer

nemvar wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

nemvar wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Yubarius wrote: »

Lmao try playing a magwarden with no execute, no mobility besides spamming bird of prey every 10 seconds, no stun besides permafrost (you silly sorcs still have streak btw so please dont cry when you lose one of your stuns when I have none), and y'all have infinite sustain with dark conversion or whatever it is, and a 3rd bar?? Sorcs need to be taken down a few pegs in pvp, sorry not sorry.

Streak is not a primary stun, it lasts for like a second and is melee ranged. Which isn't what you want on a ranged class.

You're complaining about overload which makes you drop resto ult and it horrible to use in any lag?

Yeah dark deal is strong and the fact you can't interrupt with cc immunity is stupid but it costs stamina. CC the damn sorc on cooldown and they won't spam dark deal.

Streak is a very good stun if used correctly. With the way sorc works next patch you want to use streak to cc roll dodgers while using runecage to cc permablockers. You quite literally have all the tools you need to do your damn burst combo yet you are here complaining because you sometimes need to press buttons in another order. The duration of the stun really doesn't matter because every decent player cc break anyways as soon as possible.

Also streak is melee range? Lol. Even if it were melee range it wouldn't matter. This is eso, almost all fights are in melee anyways.

Streak as a stun is terrible, especially for offence. It's used to hopefully make some space. It's not used a part of a burst combo.

So you play sorc? Try it on console with the sensitivity set and tell me how you stun them and turn the camera around and hit them with a frag before they cc break?

Every other class needs to be in melee range to stun people mid-dodge except sorc. A lot of sorcs told me to adapt to the abomination that is rc. Maybe they should take a bit of their own medicine.

With mouse and keyboard I don't have an issue doing a 180 so it never crossed my mind that the plebs have a problem with that.

DK uses whip. Magblade has concealed weapon. Where is sorc spammable?

Kel

Qwazz wrote: »

Just make frag stun again. It's telegraphed and easily to counter.

Don't worry, rune cage is going to be telegraphed and dodgeable.
Hence the sorc tears...

Micah_Bayer

jabrone77 wrote: »

Qwazz wrote: »

Just make frag stun again. It's telegraphed and easily to counter.

Don't worry, rune cage is going to be telegraphed and dodgeable.
Hence the sorc tears...

It shouldn't be easy to counter hence fossilized and fear. You dont know when they are coming and they can use the exact same method of killing as a sorc. Meteor..fear..assassins will= dead