Crown Crates - Do you consider it a form of gambling?

Valkysas154

It is and it is not at the same time

Normal gambling if you lose you normally don't win any thing - unless a tie -
Crown crates even if you get junk food can be turned into gems

But i do consider it having the same addiction to gambling and a predatory system for ppl who might not have good self control

DanteYoda

Maryal wrote: »

It's not a simple yes or no answer. The number of free crown crates players get certainly can't be considered gambling. If a player wants additional loot boxes, they can purchase them with crowns ... but you can get so many free crown crates it kind of dampens the desire to spend money for them. Furthermore, if you subscribe then you get free crowns month. You can save these and 'buy' crown crates with them ... so is that considered gambling? Is it really considered a purchase at that point?

Given that much of the contents of crown crates (free or purchased) can be turned into gems, and that you can use these gems to purchase specific items you want (no 'chance' involved when purchasing items with gems), can it really be said that this is a form of gambling? There are people who don't care what they get in crown crates, because they are more interested in what they can give back in exchange for gems.

Interesting ...

Free does not not stop it being Gambling, its actually worse, its like giving a new customer a taste like a drug addiction. To get them hooked.

skepticck

Yes.

AlexanderDeLarge

Yes, it's gambling by definition and it's a horrible practice and I'm disgusted by the corporate apologism in threads like these because their interests do not align with yours.

Here is the definition of gambling according to the US legal code. Unless someone wants to make the argument that the crates that people are spending hundreds or even thousands of dollars on are "without value", it's going to be a very flimsy argument.

Gambling is accepting, recording, or registering bets, or carrying on a policy game or any other lottery, or playing any game of chance, for money or other thing of value.

I'm totally on board for $30-$40 mounts because at least people know what they're getting.

Elsonso

AlexanderDeLarge wrote: »

Yes, it's gambling by definition and it's a horrible practice and I'm disgusted by the corporate apologism in threads like these because their interests do not align with yours.

Here is the definition of gambling according to the US legal code. Unless someone wants to make the argument that the crates that people are spending hundreds or even thousands of dollars on are "without value", it's going to be a very flimsy argument.

Gambling is accepting, recording, or registering bets, or carrying on a policy game or any other lottery, or playing any game of chance, for money or other thing of value.

I'm totally on board for $30-$40 mounts because at least people know what they're getting.

I am totally on board with them doing expensive limited time mounts. People know what they are paying for, and that removes the problem that is at the core of loot boxes.

However, people do not play Crown Crates for, or with, money or other things of value. You cannot get anything of value from a Crown Crate. That completely negates any legal definition, unless the law assigns value to the virtual items that are awarded.

Mureel

No. Because you're guaranteed to get things. Sure you could get better things- but you're getting what you paid for - a box of things.

I actually like crown crates, except this iteration has not been my favourite. I think in terms of mid level things, I think the Selection was unimpressive.

Pops_ND_Irish

Not again ?

Avran_Sylt

The crates and their gems? No.

The Radiant Apex Mounts that only ever have a chance to drop, and cannot be traded in for gems? Yes.

Prof_Bawbag

Mureel wrote: »

No. Because you're guaranteed to get things. Sure you could get better things- but you're getting what you paid for - a box of things.

I actually like crown crates, except this iteration has not been my favourite. I think in terms of mid level things, I think the Selection was unimpressive.

Hmmm that means those number of online casinos and betting firms aren't considered gambling because for a fixed fee, you win a prize each and every time. Not really a solid foundation upon which to build an argument. For every £10 stake you make, you're guaranteed a £1 return. Hell, why have no gambling companies ever thought of that idea before? Oh wait ...

Crown crates and more to the point, gaming in general circumnavigate gambling laws in each and every country due to the prizes on offer having no monetary value. That right there is why the gaming industry gets away with it. Will it change? Probably. No because the government has our best interests at heart, because it will eventually become an extra tax revenue for them. See the same splashes happening with vaping. Now that's become popular, governments are beginning to sit up and take notice.

AlexanderDeLarge

Mureel wrote: »

No. Because you're guaranteed to get things. Sure you could get better things- but you're getting what you paid for - a box of things.

I actually like crown crates, except this iteration has not been my favourite. I think in terms of mid level things, I think the Selection was unimpressive.

So if casinos guaranteed something every single time a slot machine lever was pulled, you'd be comfortable allowing children to engage in it? Because that's exactly what's happening right now. There have been multiple studies suggesting that a predisposition gambling addiction is something that is genetically linked so when these business practices are implemented, they're exploiting genetics for financial gain.

I can't really think of anything more indefensible than that... But carry on.

ADarklore

NO... because I believe every person should be accountable for their own choices and stop blaming 'psychological tricks' as a lame excuse. Seems everyone today is can blame someone or something else for everything they do instead of doing what people used to do, take responsibility for yourself and your actions/choices!

I don't believe the world should be forced to cater to other people and their lack of responsibility or mental defects.

DanteYoda

ADarklore wrote: »

NO... because I believe every person should be accountable for their own choices and stop blaming 'psychological tricks' as a lame excuse. Seems everyone today is can blame someone or something else for everything they do instead of doing what people used to do, take responsibility for yourself and your actions/choices!

I don't believe the world should be forced to cater to other people and their lack of responsibility or mental defects.

Because young teens and children obviously know the difference right.. I agree adults should be held to their own devices but younger generations have no clue, hence being naive.

Companies preying on children with gambling is predatory at best..

Aurie

redspecter23 wrote: »

For me, it's gambling if I spend money on it. Any of the free crates that I receive are just RNG boxes. I put no direct monetary cost into it, so in my mind, it's not gambling. If I were the kind of person that buys crown packs and then turns those crowns into crates hoping for a certain drop, I'd then consider it gambling. Definitions will vary from person to person. This is just my opinion.

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Mureel

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

Mureel wrote: »

No. Because you're guaranteed to get things. Sure you could get better things- but you're getting what you paid for - a box of things.

I actually like crown crates, except this iteration has not been my favourite. I think in terms of mid level things, I think the Selection was unimpressive.

Hmmm that means those number of online casinos and betting firms aren't considered gambling because for a fixed fee, you win a prize each and every time. Not really a solid foundation upon which to build an argument. For every £10 stake you make, you're guaranteed a £1 return. Hell, why have no gambling companies ever thought of that idea before? Oh wait ...

Crown crates and more to the point, gaming in general circumnavigate gambling laws in each and every country due to the prizes on offer having no monetary value. That right there is why the gaming industry gets away with it. Will it change? Probably. No because the government has our best interests at heart, because it will eventually become an extra tax revenue for them. See the same splashes happening with vaping. Now that's become popular, governments are beginning to sit up and take notice.

Pfffft. Way to take a thing out of context and then argue with yourself about your own misplacement of said thing.

THE GOVERNMENT HAS OUR BEST INTERESTS AT HEART?! Surely you've misspelled something or I've misunderstood you!

Finally: Leave the crown crates alone; I'll spend my money as I like and I don't want or need a babysitter.

noob in denial

Yes. It is gambling. For those who say " no because you're guaranteed to get things of value ", well this is plain stupid. Most things of "value" are next to useless for most people, in comparison to the price paid.

ADarklore

noob in denial wrote: »

Yes. It is gambling. For those who say " no because you're guaranteed to get things of value ", well this is plain stupid. Most things of "value" are next to useless for most people, in comparison to the price paid.

Just because YOU don't consider it 'value' doesn't mean other players don't- especially newer players who don't have certain items. Further, you can trade these 'non-value' items in for gems so you can buy things you want.
Also, there is a thing called "personal responsibility" meaning that YOU are responsible for YOUR choices and actions- not ZOS!

Pops_ND_Irish

Dont buy ! Your "gambling" solved. Thread number 357 of this topic

DanteYoda

Actually its really truely gambling.. Because you don't actually get anything from these crates.. Everything is virtual and owned by Zos who can take it all away whenever they feel like it..

So yes its just like gambling you may get some things to play with but you physically get nothing.

Blutengel

No because you always get something from them. Now the people who only want the mounts would probably consider this gambling.