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Nerf Stamdks

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Infinite sustain
Op tanking, heals and damage.
Uncounterable wings.


Edited by Ariades_swe on July 31, 2018 3:56PM
  • Checkmath
    Checkmath
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    Asardes wrote: »
    And Magicka Templar & Warden. They're way too strong in PvP.

    Wait whut?????
    Edited by Checkmath on July 31, 2018 1:21PM
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  • SilverWF
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    At least it's not 'nerf sorcs' thread :D

    So I'll support OP here - let's break teh forum meta, nerf dat damn stamDKs!
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  • Asardes
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    Checkmath wrote: »
    Asardes wrote: »
    And Magicka Templar & Warden. They're way too strong in PvP.

    Wait whut?????

    I assumed the thread was ironic, so I continued in the same vein. I main a stamina DK and it's quite painful ATM :)
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  • huschdeguddzje
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    Arthg wrote: »
    Cloak needs a buff.

    Like infinite duration until you recast it
  • Sparr0w
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    Arthg wrote: »
    Cloak needs a buff.

    Like infinite duration until you recast it

    A toggle!!
    @Sparr0w so I get the notification
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  • John_Falstaff
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    Sparr0w wrote: »
    A toggle!!

    With 'on' as default state. Born invisible. :)
  • Checkmath
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    Sparr0w wrote: »
    Arthg wrote: »
    Cloak needs a buff.

    Like infinite duration until you recast it

    A toggle!!

    every second the toggle is on, it consumes 5k magicka? sounds fair.
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  • Ragnarock41
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    Arthg wrote: »
    Cloak needs a buff.

    Needs %50 cost reduction. Too expensive.
  • Cadbury
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    Buff stam wardens
    Nerf mag wardens
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  • NyassaV
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    The only actual issue is mobility which you didn't actually list in your first post sooooooo... I'll be going now
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  • OneKhajiitCrimeWave
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    It's totally unfair that DK's get to run around with their wings trailing in the floor. I mean, all classes want to be able to make that statement of "f*** you ground! My wings are unstoppable."

    NERF WINGS TRAILING THROUGH THE FLOOR! :lol:
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  • Savos_Saren
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    Buff MagSorc damage, StamSorc speed, MagBlade cloak, Stamblade Incap, MagPlar healing, StamPlar bleeds, MagWarden permafrost, StamWarden burst.

    Nerf DKs.
    Want to enjoy the game more? Try both PvP (crybabies) and PvE (carebears). You'll get a better perspective on everyone's opinion.

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  • IZZEFlameLash
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    Buff MagSorc damage, StamSorc speed, MagBlade cloak, Stamblade Incap, MagPlar healing, StamPlar bleeds, MagWarden permafrost, StamWarden burst.

    Nerf DKs.

    Damned infinite Bat Swarm/Standard spamming OP class!
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  • OneKhajiitCrimeWave
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    Buff the Destro Ult! Buff Leap! And y'all know that DBoS DEFINITELY needs a buff.
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  • Ranger209
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    Sparr0w wrote: »
    Arthg wrote: »
    Cloak needs a buff.

    Like infinite duration until you recast it

    A toggle!!

    But each time you cast it on yourself you are hit with a 5 second unbreakable stun that deals 5k damage upon completion.
  • CurvedSwords123
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    No, Stam dks are fine.
  • Ragnarock41
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    Ladislao wrote: »
    No, Stam dks are fine.

    [Quoted post has been removed.]

    [Quoted post has been removed.]

    I don't remember saying such thing recently.(times and times again I did quit this game. I'm playing this since it came out , obviously I didnt sit and play it for 4 years, I take breaks when it gets too repetetive, and I'm still here because in the end of the day this game only gets better and better, minus a few aspects like performance and pvp meta.) So go find a real argument.

    Also ,I like sDk. I never said I hated the class. However I hated what the devs have done to the class, how they dumbed down the itemization options , killed a lot of viable build paths. Though I do think someone with a signature saying ''Everything is viable'' , has probably not much to do with theorycrafting builds(If you were familiar you would know how quickly your favourite build can turn into trash in one patch and how frequently this can happen over and over again.), so you can just skip this paragraph entirely if you wish to. No, Not everything is viable. Balance means sacrifices to fun, in other words, nerfs are needed when things overperform due to the evolving nature of multiplayer games. Though I was telling again and again since morrowind that stamDK nerfs were overkill and the real issue was always other factors like CP, broken sets, exploits and yada yada. Cause It was in a really bad state.

    And just a while ago Dk sustain and survivability actually got quite the buffs, which goes to show ; I was probably very right about my rants.


    Also just so you know, yes, I play stamden. I enjoy it. Its a stamina class that is actually fun to play. Yes it is literally stamDk 2.0 with the facts and better at almost everything, So what?
    Edited by ZOS_GregoryV on August 4, 2018 7:39PM
  • Ladislao
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    I don't remember saying such thing recently.(times and times again I did quit this game. I'm playing this since it came out , obviously I didnt sit and play it for 4 years, I take breaks when it gets too repetetive, and I'm still here because in the end of the day this game only gets better and better, minus a few aspects like performance and pvp meta.) So go find a real argument.

    You constantly accuse people that they do not understand stamdk, making their proposals, while you admit that you play the game impermanently. Oh, those double standards.
    And please do not rely on past merits here. The game is constantly changing, and to judge other people's proposals, you need to keep one's finger on the game's pulse.
    Also ,I like sDk. I never said I hated the class. However I hated what the devs have done to the class, how they dumbed down the itemization options , killed a lot of viable build paths. Though I do think someone with a signature saying ''Everything is viable'' , has probably not much to do with theorycrafting builds(If you were familiar you would know how quickly your favourite build can turn into trash in one patch and how frequently this can happen over and over again.), so you can just skip this paragraph entirely if you wish to. No, Not everything is viable. Balance means sacrifices to fun, in other words, nerfs are needed when things overperform due to the evolving nature of multiplayer games. Though I was telling again and again since morrowind that stamDK nerfs were overkill and the real issue was always other factors like CP, broken sets, exploits and yada yada. Cause It was in a really bad state.

    Your problem in understanding the word "viable". Everything that is "garbage" for you, in fact, are niche solutions that are good in certain situations. Some things have a wider range of applications, some are smaller. But they still remain viable. Just not optimal. Moreover, many "garbage" things later become meta.
    But, in fact, this is all a separate topic for conversation.
    And just a while ago Dk sustain and survivability actually got quite the buffs, which goes to show ; I was probably very right about my rants.

    Also just so you know, yes, I play stamden. I enjoy it. Its a stamina class that is actually fun to play. Yes it is literally stamDk 2.0 with the facts and better at almost everything, So what?

    I have no doubt that you were a good stamDK. And I'm glad that you think so.
    But I would just like to remind you that this topic is not for me, not for you, but for stamDKs. I hope the message is clear.
    Everything is viable
  • John_Falstaff
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    @Ladislao , you have own definition of "viable", but it doesn't mean it's the one and only right definition. Most people won't say that being good only at dummy-bashing or even just in non-DLC vet dungeons would amount to 'viable'. When people create a character and trust ZOS' "play as you like" doctrine, they expect to be able to experience all game content. Viable is subject to definition; if I'm good at hitting dummy but terrible at latest trials (and no, not a skill issue - nobody would even look at skill when considering taking stamina into vAS or vCR; I'd be happy if the game allowed all classes to freely scale with player's skill), then I'm not viable. You're welcome to go to vCR on sDK and try to prove how you're "just not optimal". At best, you'll be carried. At worst, you won't even find a group that'll accept you (and I'd even understand them, after a fashion, nobody wants a liability).

    And yes, things change, get rebalanced, but current state of things is lasting for too long, and offering people to put their stamina DKs on a shelf and roll magblades until stamina DKs aren't garbage - well, that just wouldn't do.
  • CurvedSwords123
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    No, Stam dks are fine.

    Quoted post has been removed

    I have a PvP Stam DK that I play on a daily basis. We have a solid kit and passives. I like Stam dks, u just need to l2p most likely. I'm using Crescent Jayren's build and it's great in both Cyro and bgs.
    -I think leap is one the best PvP ultis in the game
    -I think major fracture, savagery and mending make us very competitive
    -I think we're the best sword n board users in the game
    -Claw is my favourite dot in the game, honorable mention to rending slashes
    -I can sometimes get away with no detect pots thanks to vol armour and noxious breath
    -I'm gonna have fun next patch werewolf hunting with my poison specialization


    Is any of that unreasonable? I don't support a nerf of this class, just don't think it needs a buff.

    Since YOU brought it up, I'll talk about Stamsorcs a bit. Stamsorcs don't have a lot of options. We have no stam related ultis, low on passives due to summoning and dark magic. Just really low on skills in general. This sentiment is echoed by YouTube pvpers, who in large part, are abandoning their stamsorcs, and in some cases playing DKs now. My position on Stamsorcs are totally justifiable, ur [snip] about dks on the other hand, is just that, [snup]. Instead of [snip] how about u speak to your reasoning?

    [Edit for bait.]
    Edited by ZOS_GregoryV on August 4, 2018 8:01PM
  • John_Falstaff
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    @CurvedSwords123 , PvP is just one part of the picture. Do you play PvE on stam DK? It's entirely different universe, mind.
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    @CurvedSwords123 , PvP is just one part of the picture. Do you play PvE on stam DK? It's entirely different universe, mind.

    No I don't to be honest. Not for a while anyway. Last time I checked they had great synergy with poison amp sets, and Gilliam and Alcast were hitting really high numbers. Has something changed? I should have mentioned that everything I say is from a PvP perspective; if PvE dks have some new issue I can't comment on it and won't speak to it.
    Edited by CurvedSwords123 on August 4, 2018 5:31PM
  • CurvedSwords123
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    Are the new Alcast PvE DK builds not panning out or something?
    Edited by CurvedSwords123 on August 4, 2018 6:27PM
  • Aebaradath
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    I agree wholeheartedly, OP. We need to nerf MagDens.
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