How often do you get fake tanks in pugs?

Agenericname

Up to 20%

Guppet wrote: »

Mureel wrote: »

In my humble opinion: you pug and you get what you get. Sucks sometimes. Same as it sucks when I go on my tank and do 40% group dps and 60% heals.

It is what it is.

Find friends, join a guild, ask in zone and tell them to show ach or link a piece of tank gear.

No other thing will work and you get what you get.

We get what we get currently, we can kick or leave.

If it’s becoming more of an issue then punishments for fake roles are needed. The one role only is the first step in that direction.

It seems like there's a disproportionate number in dungeons that are popular to farm gear in, specifically DLC, as many of the normal can be solo'd.

The main issue that I see with any type of punishment for any fake role is the potential for abuse. Its not the only issue, but perhaps the biggest.

I tend to hold similar views on tanks as VaranisArano. I differentiate between unskilled or inexperienced and fraud. It would be difficult at best for any system to isolate those. If any type of player feedback were used in this determination then the potential for abuse would increase.

VaranisArano

41-60%

Malacthulhu wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Malacthulhu wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Malacthulhu wrote: »

How often do you need real tanks?

Anytime your DPS would be increased by someone taunting the boss so the boss stays more or less in one place for the fround based AOEs. Especially anytime you have a group where everyone isn't self-sufficient, able to self-heal, and is experienced with the dungeon.

I just think for accurate information and to be objective this should be included in the poll.

Well, the OP doesn't seem interested in the question of "Should fake tanks be allowed or not?" the OP seems more concerned with how many fake tanks people actually see.

I define a fake tank as "Someone queued as tank who isn't taunting the boss and doesn't hold boss aggro by other means."

For myself, I've seen a lot of fake tanks, none of whom equipped a taunt even when it was pointed out that they weren't taunting. I have seen ONE single tank player who held boss aggro solely through superior DPS - they were squishy and needed constant healing, but they never ever lost aggro because of their quick burn. Every other DD queued as a tank that I've met has lost boss aggro without using a taunt.

So for me, being a fake tank has nothing to do with whether or not we complete content. I've never actually failed to complete a normal dungeon with a fake tank, though I do find it markedly more annoying. My judgment is based on whether or not the tank actually does their job as a tank by taunting the boss.

Right so if you take say tempest island hardmode, it is basically straight up mechanics, no tank needed, infact you are impeding the whole group with a real tank. I understand the ops question, and it is pointless so assert such a thing through a poll on the forums without regard to content and group comosistion. It is just a generic pointless poll.

So you know, my main character is a PVE tank. I'm well aware that there are dungeons where good tanks turn to more DPS, like Direfrost's Drodda and Darkshade II. I'm also therefore well aware when someone isn't taunting a boss in a fight that woukd benefit from a tank with a taunt.

You seem to want to argue "It doesnt count as a fake tank if you don't need a real tank."

My point is more:
1. A real tank does the role of a tank in a dungeon. At the very least I expect you to hold boss aggro. On the few fights where that's not necessary, sure, swap to DPS.
2. A fake tank does not hold boss aggro and in fact often refuses to so when asked to taunt on fights where that would be beneficial.
3. IDGAF what you do in your own premade groups. In the random groupfinder, there's no guarantee that your group of random players has the experience or skills to easily adapt to running without a tank holding boss aggro. In my experience, the newer or less experienced the group members, the harder it is for them to adapt to an untaunted boss or getting boss aggro on them. Therefore, queuing as a fake tank in groupfinder with no intention of holding boss aggro for the group is deliberately risking making things harder for your future group members.


As I stated above, I see quite a few fake tanks - people who have queued as a tank, who are failing to hold boss aggro, who refuse to taunt the boss when called out on their failure to actually tank after its caused problems for a DD or the healer. These incidents are NOT limited to boss fights where good tanks go more DPS.

mattaeus01b16_ESO

81%+

ALL THE FRICKEN TIME!! Along with the 2handed healer with the destro staff >.<

idk

CavalryPK wrote: »

fake tanks are more annoying than fake dps... nonetheless both are annoying as heck.

What is funny is if it were not for fake tanks we would see plenty of threads complaining about how long it takes for GF to pop for them and wanting it so roles do not matter as they did in SWTOR. LOL

VaranisArano

41-60%

josiahva wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Malacthulhu wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Malacthulhu wrote: »

How often do you need real tanks?

Anytime your DPS would be increased by someone taunting the boss so the boss stays more or less in one place for the fround based AOEs. Especially anytime you have a group where everyone isn't self-sufficient, able to self-heal, and is experienced with the dungeon.

I just think for accurate information and to be objective this should be included in the poll.

Well, the OP doesn't seem interested in the question of "Should fake tanks be allowed or not?" the OP seems more concerned with how many fake tanks people actually see.

I define a fake tank as "Someone queued as tank who isn't taunting the boss and doesn't hold boss aggro by other means."

For myself, I've seen a lot of fake tanks, none of whom equipped a taunt even when it was pointed out that they weren't taunting. I have seen ONE single tank player who held boss aggro solely through superior DPS - they were squishy and needed constant healing, but they never ever lost aggro because of their quick burn. Every other DD queued as a tank that I've met has lost boss aggro without using a taunt.

So for me, being a fake tank has nothing to do with whether or not we complete content. I've never actually failed to complete a normal dungeon with a fake tank, though I do find it markedly more annoying. My judgment is based on whether or not the tank actually does their job as a tank by taunting the boss.

On this note...I have a hybrid DPS/Tank that is more of a beserker build...aggros everything through burst damage and then only taunts as needed if one of the real DPS pulls aggro on something. 20k DPS seems to be sufficient for tanking in this manner...but, you are limited to vet non-DLC dungeons and below for difficulty level this way because you tend to have only 25k health or so. The advantage is that for basic pledge runs it makes for a very fast run(except those times where you are dealing more damage than the real DPS)

I've also run a Tank/DPS on a stam sorc built to farm normal dungeons for gear. I taunted the boss, followed the tank mechanics, and did tons of AOE damage on mobs.

It was perfect for 3DD/1 tank runs because I could taunt and hold the boss in all the AOEs. But I didn't use groupfinder until I'd made certain I could properly tank the DLC dungeons.

So in my experience, Tank/DPS characters can absolutely work well. My only requirement is that they actually tank the boss and hold boss aggro.

Silver_Strider

41-60%

I'd say it's actually closer to the 35-45% mark but it's becoming increasingly more apparent over time. Before, I'd get fake tanks that could actually do damage and the run would be somewhat quicker.

Nowadays, however, combos of Fake Tanks/DPS have made it so that I've had to carry groups on my healer, dealing well into the 60-70% of the group DPS and at that point, I just drop the pretence of trying to be a healer and focus on just maintaining myself and to hell with the rest of the group; you died because you're so bad that I stopped caring about you enough to even attempt to heal you and no, I'm not rezzing you, just so you can get OHKO'd immediately afterwards. There's a reason I have 2k+ soul gems on all my characters and that's because this game has completely broken me in trying to rez and explain mechanics to brain dead individuals that would rather run their face into a wall repeated with their light attack spam/kiting BS.

ZOS, I beg you to increase overworld difficulty to pre-One Tamriel times so that players can actually grasp that light attack spam is NOT viable there and enforce the need to develop something that at least resembles a rotation. Make a gang of 6 mobs actually threatening so that you actually NEED to use your AOE abilities or be destroyed. Make people LEARN your game so they don't get this undeserved sense of entitlement that they should be carried by others and the vote kick option isn't some evil tool made to hurt their delicate sensibilities.

I'm tired of having to carry bad players and before people tell me to join a guild or something, EVEN THAT FAILS because people are ignorant and believe themselves as good for being in the guild in the 1st place. I still haven't cleared vFL because no one I play with, in any of the guilds I'm in or PUGs can get past Animal farm, despite explaining and doing absolutely everything in my power to keep people alive and do enough damage but nope, every single time it's a fail. I'm so done with it.

/Rant over

Malacthulhu

VaranisArano wrote: »

Malacthulhu wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Malacthulhu wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Malacthulhu wrote: »

How often do you need real tanks?

Anytime your DPS would be increased by someone taunting the boss so the boss stays more or less in one place for the fround based AOEs. Especially anytime you have a group where everyone isn't self-sufficient, able to self-heal, and is experienced with the dungeon.

I just think for accurate information and to be objective this should be included in the poll.

Well, the OP doesn't seem interested in the question of "Should fake tanks be allowed or not?" the OP seems more concerned with how many fake tanks people actually see.

I define a fake tank as "Someone queued as tank who isn't taunting the boss and doesn't hold boss aggro by other means."

For myself, I've seen a lot of fake tanks, none of whom equipped a taunt even when it was pointed out that they weren't taunting. I have seen ONE single tank player who held boss aggro solely through superior DPS - they were squishy and needed constant healing, but they never ever lost aggro because of their quick burn. Every other DD queued as a tank that I've met has lost boss aggro without using a taunt.

So for me, being a fake tank has nothing to do with whether or not we complete content. I've never actually failed to complete a normal dungeon with a fake tank, though I do find it markedly more annoying. My judgment is based on whether or not the tank actually does their job as a tank by taunting the boss.

Right so if you take say tempest island hardmode, it is basically straight up mechanics, no tank needed, infact you are impeding the whole group with a real tank. I understand the ops question, and it is pointless so assert such a thing through a poll on the forums without regard to content and group comosistion. It is just a generic pointless poll.

So you know, my main character is a PVE tank. I'm well aware that there are dungeons where good tanks turn to more DPS, like Direfrost's Drodda and Darkshade II. I'm also therefore well aware when someone isn't taunting a boss in a fight that woukd benefit from a tank with a taunt.

You seem to want to argue "It doesnt count as a fake tank if you don't need a real tank."

My point is more:
1. A real tank does the role of a tank in a dungeon. At the very least I expect you to hold boss aggro. On the few fights where that's not necessary, sure, swap to DPS.
2. A fake tank does not hold boss aggro and in fact often refuses to so when asked to taunt on fights where that would be beneficial.
3. IDGAF what you do in your own premade groups. In the random groupfinder, there's no guarantee that your group of random players has the experience or skills to easily adapt to running without a tank holding boss aggro. In my experience, the newer or less experienced the group members, the harder it is for them to adapt to an untaunted boss or getting boss aggro on them. Therefore, queuing as a fake tank in groupfinder with no intention of holding boss aggro for the group is deliberately risking making things harder for your future group members.


As I stated above, I see quite a few fake tanks - people who have queued as a tank, who are failing to hold boss aggro, who refuse to taunt the boss when called out on their failure to actually tank after its caused problems for a DD or the healer. These incidents are NOT limited to boss fights where good tanks go more DPS.

1. No argument
2. Anyone that does not cooperate with group should be kicked or just leave
3. I wasn't talking about a premade lol.

My issue is what exactly the poll is suppose to accomplish other then identifying how many people with active forum accounts feel they get stuck with "fake" tanks. While you have a solid definition you seem to think maybe everyone has the same level of experience to identify it properly. I think the worse cass is a fake tank that cannot dps either. New tanks can be tossed into this fake tank catagorey depending on who is tossing them in there snd becomes subjective at this point.

If the purposs of thd poll is to brainstorm a solution the they would prob have to modify group finder to keep cp levels when matching as close as possible which would not eliminate the issue but, reduce it while increasing que time.

Yes, premades with conpetent people can do whatever but, at no point did I steer towards that in the discussion. Arguing no, just genuine trouble on my end to understand the point.

I am not correcting all the typos. Pedantry.

Recremen

81%+

I always queue as tank and am always the "fake" tank so for me it's 100%. I always have taunt on my bar, of course, but because I only have above average health and average mitigation I would consider myself a "fake" tank. I only do it for normal mode Urgalarg dungeons, though, so it's not like I'm dragging anyone down or dying to mechanics, I'm helping carry people through My First Dungeon and teaching them the fights.

Agenericname

Up to 20%

Malacthulhu wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Malacthulhu wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Malacthulhu wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Malacthulhu wrote: »

How often do you need real tanks?

Anytime your DPS would be increased by someone taunting the boss so the boss stays more or less in one place for the fround based AOEs. Especially anytime you have a group where everyone isn't self-sufficient, able to self-heal, and is experienced with the dungeon.

I just think for accurate information and to be objective this should be included in the poll.

Well, the OP doesn't seem interested in the question of "Should fake tanks be allowed or not?" the OP seems more concerned with how many fake tanks people actually see.

I define a fake tank as "Someone queued as tank who isn't taunting the boss and doesn't hold boss aggro by other means."

For myself, I've seen a lot of fake tanks, none of whom equipped a taunt even when it was pointed out that they weren't taunting. I have seen ONE single tank player who held boss aggro solely through superior DPS - they were squishy and needed constant healing, but they never ever lost aggro because of their quick burn. Every other DD queued as a tank that I've met has lost boss aggro without using a taunt.

So for me, being a fake tank has nothing to do with whether or not we complete content. I've never actually failed to complete a normal dungeon with a fake tank, though I do find it markedly more annoying. My judgment is based on whether or not the tank actually does their job as a tank by taunting the boss.

Right so if you take say tempest island hardmode, it is basically straight up mechanics, no tank needed, infact you are impeding the whole group with a real tank. I understand the ops question, and it is pointless so assert such a thing through a poll on the forums without regard to content and group comosistion. It is just a generic pointless poll.

So you know, my main character is a PVE tank. I'm well aware that there are dungeons where good tanks turn to more DPS, like Direfrost's Drodda and Darkshade II. I'm also therefore well aware when someone isn't taunting a boss in a fight that woukd benefit from a tank with a taunt.

You seem to want to argue "It doesnt count as a fake tank if you don't need a real tank."

My point is more:
1. A real tank does the role of a tank in a dungeon. At the very least I expect you to hold boss aggro. On the few fights where that's not necessary, sure, swap to DPS.
2. A fake tank does not hold boss aggro and in fact often refuses to so when asked to taunt on fights where that would be beneficial.
3. IDGAF what you do in your own premade groups. In the random groupfinder, there's no guarantee that your group of random players has the experience or skills to easily adapt to running without a tank holding boss aggro. In my experience, the newer or less experienced the group members, the harder it is for them to adapt to an untaunted boss or getting boss aggro on them. Therefore, queuing as a fake tank in groupfinder with no intention of holding boss aggro for the group is deliberately risking making things harder for your future group members.


As I stated above, I see quite a few fake tanks - people who have queued as a tank, who are failing to hold boss aggro, who refuse to taunt the boss when called out on their failure to actually tank after its caused problems for a DD or the healer. These incidents are NOT limited to boss fights where good tanks go more DPS.

Yes, premades with conpetent people can do whatever but, at no point did I steer towards that in the discussion. Arguing no, just genuine trouble on my end to understand the point.

Adding an option for "is a tank needed" would in all likelihood add subjectivity, not objectivity. Whether or not a tank is need is subjective and relative to persons skill, level, and gear.

The definition of a "fake tank" can also be fairly subjective. No argument there, but we can qualify our definitions and many would be universally accepted regardless of our characters level or skill level.

If you were to pick a dungeon such as fungal grotto 1, many would be able to solo that. If I queue into a random and get FG1 the fact that I can solo that has no bearing on whether or not the person that queued as the tank intends on performing the job they queued into. The fact that I don't need them is irrelevant.

Guppet

61-80%

Malacthulhu wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Malacthulhu wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Malacthulhu wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Malacthulhu wrote: »

How often do you need real tanks?

Anytime your DPS would be increased by someone taunting the boss so the boss stays more or less in one place for the fround based AOEs. Especially anytime you have a group where everyone isn't self-sufficient, able to self-heal, and is experienced with the dungeon.

I just think for accurate information and to be objective this should be included in the poll.

Well, the OP doesn't seem interested in the question of "Should fake tanks be allowed or not?" the OP seems more concerned with how many fake tanks people actually see.

I define a fake tank as "Someone queued as tank who isn't taunting the boss and doesn't hold boss aggro by other means."

For myself, I've seen a lot of fake tanks, none of whom equipped a taunt even when it was pointed out that they weren't taunting. I have seen ONE single tank player who held boss aggro solely through superior DPS - they were squishy and needed constant healing, but they never ever lost aggro because of their quick burn. Every other DD queued as a tank that I've met has lost boss aggro without using a taunt.

So for me, being a fake tank has nothing to do with whether or not we complete content. I've never actually failed to complete a normal dungeon with a fake tank, though I do find it markedly more annoying. My judgment is based on whether or not the tank actually does their job as a tank by taunting the boss.

Right so if you take say tempest island hardmode, it is basically straight up mechanics, no tank needed, infact you are impeding the whole group with a real tank. I understand the ops question, and it is pointless so assert such a thing through a poll on the forums without regard to content and group comosistion. It is just a generic pointless poll.

So you know, my main character is a PVE tank. I'm well aware that there are dungeons where good tanks turn to more DPS, like Direfrost's Drodda and Darkshade II. I'm also therefore well aware when someone isn't taunting a boss in a fight that woukd benefit from a tank with a taunt.

You seem to want to argue "It doesnt count as a fake tank if you don't need a real tank."

My point is more:
1. A real tank does the role of a tank in a dungeon. At the very least I expect you to hold boss aggro. On the few fights where that's not necessary, sure, swap to DPS.
2. A fake tank does not hold boss aggro and in fact often refuses to so when asked to taunt on fights where that would be beneficial.
3. IDGAF what you do in your own premade groups. In the random groupfinder, there's no guarantee that your group of random players has the experience or skills to easily adapt to running without a tank holding boss aggro. In my experience, the newer or less experienced the group members, the harder it is for them to adapt to an untaunted boss or getting boss aggro on them. Therefore, queuing as a fake tank in groupfinder with no intention of holding boss aggro for the group is deliberately risking making things harder for your future group members.


As I stated above, I see quite a few fake tanks - people who have queued as a tank, who are failing to hold boss aggro, who refuse to taunt the boss when called out on their failure to actually tank after its caused problems for a DD or the healer. These incidents are NOT limited to boss fights where good tanks go more DPS.

1. No argument
2. Anyone that does not cooperate with group should be kicked or just leave
3. I wasn't talking about a premade lol.

My issue is what exactly the poll is suppose to accomplish other then identifying how many people with active forum accounts feel they get stuck with "fake" tanks. While you have a solid definition you seem to think maybe everyone has the same level of experience to identify it properly. I think the worse cass is a fake tank that cannot dps either. New tanks can be tossed into this fake tank catagorey depending on who is tossing them in there snd becomes subjective at this point.

If the purposs of thd poll is to brainstorm a solution the they would prob have to modify group finder to keep cp levels when matching as close as possible which would not eliminate the issue but, reduce it while increasing que time.

Yes, premades with conpetent people can do whatever but, at no point did I steer towards that in the discussion. Arguing no, just genuine trouble on my end to understand the point.

I am not correcting all the typos. Pedantry.

The poll is simply to ascertain how common this is. It’s not to fix it. First you identify the magnitude of a problem, then you look to fix it.

I’m sure there will be more polls once numbers are more apparent.

And obviously this is only a poll of forum goers, there the ones who care enough to use the forums. It’s an echo chamber but it’s the only way to run polls we have.

Who knows maybe the polls here might draw the attention of some dev who thinks “maybe we should see what the community as a whole says”. The forums are used to draw attention to issues, same as any other public place.

rosendoichinoveb17_ESO

Never

Fake tank are not the issue. I am ok with a DD posing as a tank as long as he stands still if the boss targets him and not move him like a headles chicken. All normal dungeons and most non-dlc veteran dungeons can be done with 4DDs as long as they don't move the boss and have decent damage.

The main issues are mostly with the DDs either not having enough damage or moving the bosses.

I have never seen a good DD being kicked out for queue-ing as a tank.

Salvas_Aren

61-80%

The issue seems to be, that by far more ppl queue with DDs than tanks.

Maybe some ppl don't play tanks at all, maybe some prefer to do some dungeons without and make therefore the decision.

In the end the party needs success, so if a normal can be done in lets say 12 minutes without a significant number of dead DDs, who is the victim of the fake tank?

Therefore, I would call it a problem for vet runs, for normal, i'd rather say it's a phenomenon.

Qbiken

Needed snowflake option.

I´m the fake-tank, but only for random normal.

Tip: Don´t queue for veteran dungeons. Join a PvE/Social guild and run vet dungeons there instead.

HiLyfe808

61-80%

Honestly the only time this is a problem is on most vet dungeons. There are some vet dungeons for example COA where i don't mind. Normal dungeons whatever its normal.

The best situation ever though was this past weekend. When a healer queues as healer/tank. So we're going through after the first boss clear in BC1 and i first figured the DPS was the one who queued wrong. Then i looked and seen this was literally two healers (i was in group discord with one of the healers). I questioned the other healer and they basically replied that they queued as healer and tank and they couldn't even stay alive at last boss.

Go figure!

FakeFox

81%+

As either me or someone I queue with is the fake tank, 100%.

zaria

41-60%

I meant 20-40, that is in normal, in vet its rare, more if you include they who slot inner light.
With inner light in normal I don't care as long at they don't do tank level dps I can keep them alive if needed.
You can also get real but very green tanks in normals who is obviously ok.

Jeremy

41-60%

Guppet wrote: »

Now I’ll start this off by saying I’m normally a tank, an actual honest to god tank.

Lately I decided to give healing another go and decided to farm SPC for that purpose. I already had the full set except the boots.

Now I must have ran WGT 20 times before they finally dropped. I did notice that only twice did I have an actual tank.

Is it this bad for everyone?

So how often do you get fake tanks in pugs?

I’m not asking can you complete content with a fake tank. Just how often your tank is actually a dps.

A lot. Too often in fact. One of the reasons I pretty much queue as a Tank all the time now. I got sick of having to deal with fake tanks.

It's a real problem on this game and one I've made multiple threads about in the past. The developers need to do something about it. Just look at the responses in this thread and you can easily see why also. They don't even care that they taking a spot from an actual tank or that they are cutting in line in front of other damage dealers. They do it so unabashedly they even boast about it on public forums.

And I feel sorry for the healers out there. I can't tell you how frustrating it was trying to keep a fake tank alive who literally gets one-shotted by the boss only to have them go "oh, I guess you need a real tank for this one huh?".

PlagueSD

Never

Mainly because I'm usually the tank...

Amadis001

41-60%

When I tank, never. My main is a tank. I love to tank. When I tank, I tank right; not always as well as I want to, but always right.

I recently started running my mag sorc through vet dungeons. Oh. My. God. Now I understand why I so frequently am greeted with cries of "Thank God, a real tank!" when I spawn into dungeons with my Ebon on. I wear it sometimes just for that reason; I want to make sure everyone sees at first glance that I'm legit. Otherwise, for a four-man group, I'd go with Torug's or something else, and keep my Ebon for trials.

It drives me crazy to have to chase an untaunted boss around a room. My AOEs go to waste, my stamina gets used up, and when the boss turns on me, especially because I have 30K health less than I'm used to, I'm pretty much doomed. Too much of that and I'll vote to kick the fake tank. I'd rather 3-man it if we can't get a replacement.

Many of these fake tanks queue with multiple roles selected. For sure, if I see that, I know we're in for trouble. When ZoS changes this, and it will no longer be possible to queue that way, I wonder if it will really help reduce the fake tank problem, or if the lazy selfish S.O.B.s who queue for all roles today without actually being able and willing to perform basic tanking duty will just queue as tanks anyway.

Kaartinen

Up to 20%

Even worse, I get fake DPS.

Marabornwingrion

Never

I never do dungeons without my friend tank

psxfloh

Up to 20%

it's really not that bad in my experience.
imho the definition of a 'fake tank' is a 100% dps that queues as 'tank' and never taunts.

Sometimes I switch the role of my dps to 'tank' - but does that make me a 'fake tank' if I slot a taunt and make sure the bosses attack me and I survive?
Don't worry, I never do that when queueing for a DLC dungeon, where you need a real tank, though..

Troneon

Needed snowflake option.

Your mistake was bothering to farm SPC when you can farm Olorime in 1 day.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Up to 20%

A clueless tank is a far more common occurrence than a fake tank in my experience. Debatable as to which is worse.

Olen_Mikko

I usually don't, but when i do, it is bow/bow Khajiit stamblade, in Bloodroot Forge.

Yakidafi

Needed snowflake option.

5% max, only in normal dungeons so does not matter much. I get much more fake dps and healer, both in normal and vet, more noticeable on vet.

Fake tank = no taunt or dies to everything. Imo

ssorgatem

Never

I'm the tank.
Or Fake tank if the DPS sucks and I have to switch to DPS gear.

DaveMoeDee

Never

Never because I'm the tank. But I often get fake DPS, and that is worse. I pretty much only run vet, if that matters.

mocap

almost always in normal dungeons. Im ok with it. Almost never in vet and if i get one, then this guy usually know what he's doing.

DaveMoeDee

Never

Olen_Mikko wrote: »

I usually don't, but when i do, it is bow/bow Khajiit stamblade, in Bloodroot Forge.

Do they plug the lava at least?

Guppet wrote: »

Now I’ll start this off by saying I’m normally a tank, an actual honest to god tank.

Lately I decided to give healing another go and decided to farm SPC for that purpose. I already had the full set except the boots.

Now I must have ran WGT 20 times before they finally dropped. I did notice that only twice did I have an actual tank.

Is it this bad for everyone?

So how often do you get fake tanks in pugs?

I’m not asking can you complete content with a fake tank. Just how often your tank is actually a dps.

I always tanked vWGT, but the hardest part by far when pugging is the Planar Inhibitor and taunting doesn't even matter there. I suppose since they know I am a real tank, they might ignore the pinion and leave aggro on me longer than they would if I was a 3rd DPS. Even so, I have to swap out some skills or a weapon in case I have to close rifts because chains is my only ranged damage otherwise.

I think I've only cleared vet PI twice in a PUG without anyone dying, and the first time was because the DPS was so high that it was done before anyone could die.