How often do you get fake tanks in pugs?

Guppet

Now I’ll start this off by saying I’m normally a tank, an actual honest to god tank.

Lately I decided to give healing another go and decided to farm SPC for that purpose. I already had the full set except the boots.

Now I must have ran WGT 20 times before they finally dropped. I did notice that only twice did I have an actual tank.

Is it this bad for everyone?

So how often do you get fake tanks in pugs?

I’m not asking can you complete content with a fake tank. Just how often your tank is actually a dps.

VaranisArano

41-60%

Probably about a third of the time when I queue on my healer for random normals.

When I queue on my tank, Id say maybe 1 out of every 20 times I get a DD or a healer who accidently equipped a taunt. Those players get an explanation of why the boss is aggroed on them, which they usually listen to. After that, "you taunt it, you tank it."

List of Taunts:

Puncture, Ice Staff Heavy Attack, Inner Fire, and Tormentor set with a Charge ability

Guppet

61-80%

VaranisArano wrote: »

Probably about a third of the time when I queue on my healer for random normals.

When I queue on my tank, Id say maybe 1 out of every 20 times I get a DD or a healer who accidently equipped a taunt.

Oh god yeah I get that all the time. Watch them for a while then notice the boss actually gets pulled off me. I’m polite to those players though, it’s normslly inexperienced players. They just need to understand how that first skill on sword and board actually works lol.

ceil420

Needed snowflake option.

Needed a snowflake option, because I've only queued for a few normals for pledges, and really wouldn't notice whether or not anyone was a proper tank : )

Definitely interested to see how widespread this alleged menace really is, though. As I move into more difficult content, I'd like to have a proper idea of how much of a problem this really is...

Malacthulhu

How often do you need real tanks?

Nestor

FYI, I farm SPC in the Vault using the key fragment things that drop in WGT

LeagueTroll

Up to 20%

I mostly play on my tank because it’s overall faster on average (i am fairly good at kicking potatoes). So obv I don’t see fake tank nearly as often as garb dd.

idk

When I have gotten a fake tank as a healer it has not been a big deal. Yea, if they do not deal with the mechanic that will one shot dps then they die, but mostly things are fine.

I also queue as a healer often to make sure there is decent dps in the group when I queue for a random. Often half or more than half the damage.

VaranisArano

41-60%

Malacthulhu wrote: »

How often do you need real tanks?

Anytime your DPS would be increased by someone taunting the boss so the boss stays more or less in one place for the ground based AOEs. Especially anytime you have a group where everyone isn't self-sufficient, able to self-heal, and is experienced with the dungeon.

In my experience, the newer or less experienced the group, the more they benefit from having a legitimate tank. The more experienced the group, the more flexible everyone can be with the division of roles. So for Random Groupfinder where there's no guarantee of player experience, its wise to make sure you can do the role you queued for.

Malacthulhu

VaranisArano wrote: »

Malacthulhu wrote: »

How often do you need real tanks?

Anytime your DPS would be increased by someone taunting the boss so the boss stays more or less in one place for the fround based AOEs. Especially anytime you have a group where everyone isn't self-sufficient, able to self-heal, and is experienced with the dungeon.

I just think for accurate information and to be objective this should be included in the poll.

Guppet

61-80%

Malacthulhu wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Malacthulhu wrote: »

How often do you need real tanks?

Anytime your DPS would be increased by someone taunting the boss so the boss stays more or less in one place for the fround based AOEs. Especially anytime you have a group where everyone isn't self-sufficient, able to self-heal, and is experienced with the dungeon.

I just think for accurate information and to be objective this should be included in the poll.

There’s a snowflake option just for you.

The question is how often you get, not how often do you need.

Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO

Never

Never, now that I stopped queuing for randoms with pugs. Would much rather put a group together with guildmates and then queue for a random for the bonus experience. My blood pressure and stress levels have improved dramatically.

VaranisArano

41-60%

Malacthulhu wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Malacthulhu wrote: »

How often do you need real tanks?

Anytime your DPS would be increased by someone taunting the boss so the boss stays more or less in one place for the fround based AOEs. Especially anytime you have a group where everyone isn't self-sufficient, able to self-heal, and is experienced with the dungeon.

I just think for accurate information and to be objective this should be included in the poll.

Well, the OP doesn't seem interested in the question of "Should fake tanks be allowed or not?" the OP seems more concerned with how many fake tanks people actually see.

I define a fake tank as "Someone queued as tank who isn't taunting the boss and doesn't hold boss aggro by other means."

For myself, I've seen a lot of fake tanks, none of whom equipped a taunt even when it was pointed out that they weren't taunting. I have seen ONE single tank player who held boss aggro solely through superior DPS - they were squishy and needed constant healing, but they never ever lost aggro because of their quick burn. Every other DD queued as a tank that I've met has lost boss aggro without using a taunt.

So for me, being a fake tank has nothing to do with whether or not we complete content. I've never actually failed to complete a normal dungeon with a fake tank, though I do find it markedly more annoying. My judgment is based on whether or not the tank actually does their job as a tank by taunting the boss.

Malacthulhu

VaranisArano wrote: »

Malacthulhu wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Malacthulhu wrote: »

How often do you need real tanks?

Anytime your DPS would be increased by someone taunting the boss so the boss stays more or less in one place for the fround based AOEs. Especially anytime you have a group where everyone isn't self-sufficient, able to self-heal, and is experienced with the dungeon.

I just think for accurate information and to be objective this should be included in the poll.

Well, the OP doesn't seem interested in the question of "Should fake tanks be allowed or not?" the OP seems more concerned with how many fake tanks people actually see.

I define a fake tank as "Someone queued as tank who isn't taunting the boss and doesn't hold boss aggro by other means."

For myself, I've seen a lot of fake tanks, none of whom equipped a taunt even when it was pointed out that they weren't taunting. I have seen ONE single tank player who held boss aggro solely through superior DPS - they were squishy and needed constant healing, but they never ever lost aggro because of their quick burn. Every other DD queued as a tank that I've met has lost boss aggro without using a taunt.

So for me, being a fake tank has nothing to do with whether or not we complete content. I've never actually failed to complete a normal dungeon with a fake tank, though I do find it markedly more annoying. My judgment is based on whether or not the tank actually does their job as a tank by taunting the boss.

Right so if you take say tempest island hardmode, it is basically straight up mechanics, no tank needed, infact you are impeding the whole group with a real tank. I understand the ops question, and it is pointless so assert such a thing through a poll on the forums without regard to content and group comosistion. It is just a generic pointless poll.

raj72616a

81%+

i queue as tank in medium armor with a bow because you "dps" guys hit like a tank. as in, ~5k dps or worse.

Guppet

61-80%

Malacthulhu wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Malacthulhu wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Malacthulhu wrote: »

How often do you need real tanks?

Anytime your DPS would be increased by someone taunting the boss so the boss stays more or less in one place for the fround based AOEs. Especially anytime you have a group where everyone isn't self-sufficient, able to self-heal, and is experienced with the dungeon.

I just think for accurate information and to be objective this should be included in the poll.

Well, the OP doesn't seem interested in the question of "Should fake tanks be allowed or not?" the OP seems more concerned with how many fake tanks people actually see.

I define a fake tank as "Someone queued as tank who isn't taunting the boss and doesn't hold boss aggro by other means."

For myself, I've seen a lot of fake tanks, none of whom equipped a taunt even when it was pointed out that they weren't taunting. I have seen ONE single tank player who held boss aggro solely through superior DPS - they were squishy and needed constant healing, but they never ever lost aggro because of their quick burn. Every other DD queued as a tank that I've met has lost boss aggro without using a taunt.

So for me, being a fake tank has nothing to do with whether or not we complete content. I've never actually failed to complete a normal dungeon with a fake tank, though I do find it markedly more annoying. My judgment is based on whether or not the tank actually does their job as a tank by taunting the boss.

Right so if you take say tempest island hardmode, it is basically straight up mechanics, no tank needed, infact you are impeding the whole group with a real tank. I understand the ops question, and it is pointless so assert such a thing through a poll on the forums without regard to content and group comosistion. It is just a generic pointless poll.

It’s in no way pointless to ask how often it happens. It annoys people.

Your argument says to me that you often queue as fake tank.

In a pug anyone choosing that certain content doesnot require a tank is disrespecting the other players, it’s making the choice for them. What’s worse, your saying to the other dps players that you think your time is more important than theirs since you deserve a shorter queue than them.

The question your answering was not asked, jog on!!

profundidob16_ESO

Never

Never since I am the tank

Salvas_Aren

61-80%

On normals I start as a healer with a fake tank I know for long, but we can do it anyway.

On vet one is the healer, one the tank, for real.

We never queue as DDs, that's not sexy.

kylewwefan

41-60%

Hear me out though, it’s not always a bad thing.

OrphanHelgen

81%+

It's actually starting to be an real issue. On the level of report and ban fake tanks from atleast the group tool and maybe the dungeon itself.
When I was starting tanking years back, I was veteran 1 on my first character and had no clue what I was doing. Yet, I know one thing: I was the tank in the group, and my job was to prevent others to taking damage, and one of the skills I used was the taunt.

When a cp 750 player queue as tank, say he is a tank, and spam some two hander and bow build, yes that is an issue.

Mureel

61-80%

In my humble opinion: you pug and you get what you get. Sucks sometimes. Same as it sucks when I go on my tank and do 40% group dps and 60% heals.

It is what it is.

Find friends, join a guild, ask in zone and tell them to show ach or link a piece of tank gear.

No other thing will work and you get what you get.

Aebaradath

21-40%

On a regular basis. Just did a random and had a WW DPS "tank."

Guppet

61-80%

Mureel wrote: »

In my humble opinion: you pug and you get what you get. Sucks sometimes. Same as it sucks when I go on my tank and do 40% group dps and 60% heals.

It is what it is.

Find friends, join a guild, ask in zone and tell them to show ach or link a piece of tank gear.

No other thing will work and you get what you get.

We get what we get currently, we can kick or leave.

If it’s becoming more of an issue then punishments for fake roles are needed. The one role only is the first step in that direction.

resdayn00

Needed snowflake option.

Never because I never pug with the tank role empty. But when I started pve I happened to bump into 2-3 fake tanks overall.

CavalryPK

fake tanks are more annoying than fake dps... nonetheless both are annoying as heck.

josiahva

VaranisArano wrote: »

Malacthulhu wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Malacthulhu wrote: »

How often do you need real tanks?

Anytime your DPS would be increased by someone taunting the boss so the boss stays more or less in one place for the fround based AOEs. Especially anytime you have a group where everyone isn't self-sufficient, able to self-heal, and is experienced with the dungeon.

I just think for accurate information and to be objective this should be included in the poll.

Well, the OP doesn't seem interested in the question of "Should fake tanks be allowed or not?" the OP seems more concerned with how many fake tanks people actually see.

I define a fake tank as "Someone queued as tank who isn't taunting the boss and doesn't hold boss aggro by other means."

For myself, I've seen a lot of fake tanks, none of whom equipped a taunt even when it was pointed out that they weren't taunting. I have seen ONE single tank player who held boss aggro solely through superior DPS - they were squishy and needed constant healing, but they never ever lost aggro because of their quick burn. Every other DD queued as a tank that I've met has lost boss aggro without using a taunt.

So for me, being a fake tank has nothing to do with whether or not we complete content. I've never actually failed to complete a normal dungeon with a fake tank, though I do find it markedly more annoying. My judgment is based on whether or not the tank actually does their job as a tank by taunting the boss.

On this note...I have a hybrid DPS/Tank that is more of a beserker build...aggros everything through burst damage and then only taunts as needed if one of the real DPS pulls aggro on something. 20k DPS seems to be sufficient for tanking in this manner...but, you are limited to vet non-DLC dungeons and below for difficulty level this way because you tend to have only 25k health or so. The advantage is that for basic pledge runs it makes for a very fast run(except those times where you are dealing more damage than the real DPS)

phileunderx2

41-60%

I would say about 60 per cent of the time the tank is fake. Most of the time in normals it isn't a problem as I have learned how to kinda tank on my healer. If it is an issue for me I will leave. On vet if you are pugging imo the tank needs to be a tank because most dps that pug are not that great.

Malacthulhu

Guppet wrote: »

Malacthulhu wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Malacthulhu wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Malacthulhu wrote: »

How often do you need real tanks?

Anytime your DPS would be increased by someone taunting the boss so the boss stays more or less in one place for the fround based AOEs. Especially anytime you have a group where everyone isn't self-sufficient, able to self-heal, and is experienced with the dungeon.

I just think for accurate information and to be objective this should be included in the poll.

Well, the OP doesn't seem interested in the question of "Should fake tanks be allowed or not?" the OP seems more concerned with how many fake tanks people actually see.

I define a fake tank as "Someone queued as tank who isn't taunting the boss and doesn't hold boss aggro by other means."

For myself, I've seen a lot of fake tanks, none of whom equipped a taunt even when it was pointed out that they weren't taunting. I have seen ONE single tank player who held boss aggro solely through superior DPS - they were squishy and needed constant healing, but they never ever lost aggro because of their quick burn. Every other DD queued as a tank that I've met has lost boss aggro without using a taunt.

So for me, being a fake tank has nothing to do with whether or not we complete content. I've never actually failed to complete a normal dungeon with a fake tank, though I do find it markedly more annoying. My judgment is based on whether or not the tank actually does their job as a tank by taunting the boss.

Right so if you take say tempest island hardmode, it is basically straight up mechanics, no tank needed, infact you are impeding the whole group with a real tank. I understand the ops question, and it is pointless so assert such a thing through a poll on the forums without regard to content and group comosistion. It is just a generic pointless poll.

It’s in no way pointless to ask how often it happens. It annoys people.

Your argument says to me that you often queue as fake tank.

In a pug anyone choosing that certain content doesnot require a tank is disrespecting the other players, it’s making the choice for them. What’s worse, your saying to the other dps players that you think your time is more important than theirs since you deserve a shorter queue than them.

The question your answering was not asked, jog on!!

Lol, I do not que as a fake tank nice assumption and a poll based off assumptions. I get it though anyone that offers a different perspective is either a snowflake or a fake tank. People not learning or knowing mechanics are more annoying then a fake tank that will learn, also how do you know its a fake tank or just a guy who knows nothing about tanking trying it out. I mention tempest island bc literally I soloed that boss on hardmode with my tank bc I got tired of picking up the other players that couldn't figure out the mechanics, also pretty sure the last tank left bc he got sick of it or they blamed him and kicked him bc they thought he was a fake tank. This poll should take into account other factors as it can be subjective.

Zacuel

61-80%

It's not usually a problem on Norm non dlc dungeons. Above that people should queue appropriately.

Michaelkeir

61-80%

I hate running a random on my healer and after the first few mobs I notice the "tank" health drops faster than normal. Once we get to the 1st boss and the "tank" who's actually a dps is dragging the boss all over the place and out of the dps's aoe's. I vote to kick and if not im out.

If you are going to que as a tank on a dps at least be able to survive without me spamming my heals just to keep you on your feet. Had a dps "tank" que for Vet Mazz and the 2 group he died before i could even get BOL off. Then he yells "Bad healer"....to which i replied "Equip a shield and heavy armor fake tank". He then proceeded to stand behind the dps and pull the mobs and run in circles spamming his shield ability....lol. Good times.

Ragebull

Unless it's a really hard dungeon I prefer not having a tank. I want the boss to focus on me so I can actually fight him instead of just standing there spamming a rotation and roll dodging out of an AOEs