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LifenLemons

If like me, you're still unfamiliar with the mechanics, pros & cons, you have questions just about anything related to the game but you feel stupid asking them, come closer. You're willing to learn, so ask your questions here.
No judgment against players knowing less. Please don't be mean or sarcastic.
We all start somewhere.

LifenLemons

I'll start.
What exactly is a bot?

Are they cheating players primarily on PC?
Employees?
NPCs? (Non Playable Characters)

I've never seen one. Which is why I don't understand this


Secondly, OP.... That's original post?

Judas Helviaryn

Bots are generally programs designed to operate your player character semi-autonomously, giving you an unfair advantage over others in the game. Primarily being able to play the game when you're not there, gaining experience, materials, gold, etc.

OP is original post, original poster, or I'm sure something more creative depending on who you are.

LifenLemons

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

Bots are generally programs designed to operate your player character semi-autonomously, giving you an unfair advantage over others in the game. Primarily being able to play the game when you're not there, gaining experience, materials, gold, etc.

OP is original post, original poster, or I'm sure something more creative depending on who you are.

Thanks for the reply.

So bots, who would be able to do that on say.... Console? Ps4 specifically.
Are they the characters just standing at dolmens who eventually get killed?
Reason why I'm asking is that sometimes I have to go do something quick and I usually run away from a dolmen and go stand on a spot thats safe, and then I come back and I'm dead. I've recorded this to see why, and turns out (in auridon, theres a dolmen south on the map, if you run towards tge town there's a mountain side you can stand on. It's in between going back to the city and meeting the imp), I saw that the dolmen killed me with red circles. I'm not sure how it could reach that far to begin with. It never used to. That was my spot when I was doing something that won't require me to log out. Like making coffee. And when I revive, I don't get that chest for that dolmen cause I didn't actively participate in it. Which is fair by me.

So I understand what bots are, just don't understand on a ps4 how people would benefit from it. Unless it's more on "auto pilot" than not. Or only possible on PC.
PC is different. It's a lot easier to put a mod or something on a pc game file

LifenLemons

Things I know now:

EP - Ebonheart Pact (Red)
DC - Daggerfall Covent (Blue)
AD - Aldermeri Dominion (Yellow)

In game chat
Wts - want to sell
Wtb - want to buy
Lf(g) - Looking for (group)

Yes, none of these things I knew starting out lol
I'll add & ask more as I think of them

Ghanima_Atreides

LifenLemons wrote: »

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

Bots are generally programs designed to operate your player character semi-autonomously, giving you an unfair advantage over others in the game. Primarily being able to play the game when you're not there, gaining experience, materials, gold, etc.

OP is original post, original poster, or I'm sure something more creative depending on who you are.

Thanks for the reply.

So bots, who would be able to do that on say.... Console? Ps4 specifically.
Are they the characters just standing at dolmens who eventually get killed?
Reason why I'm asking is that sometimes I have to go do something quick and I usually run away from a dolmen and go stand on a spot thats safe, and then I come back and I'm dead. I've recorded this to see why, and turns out (in auridon, theres a dolmen south on the map, if you run towards tge town there's a mountain side you can stand on. It's in between going back to the city and meeting the imp), I saw that the dolmen killed me with red circles. I'm not sure how it could reach that far to begin with. It never used to. That was my spot when I was doing something that won't require me to log out. Like making coffee. And when I revive, I don't get that chest for that dolmen cause I didn't actively participate in it. Which is fair by me.

So I understand what bots are, just don't understand on a ps4 how people would benefit from it. Unless it's more on "auto pilot" than not. Or only possible on PC.
PC is different. It's a lot easier to put a mod or something on a pc game file

Bots generally run a preset circuit in an area, killing, say, packs of tigers or wolves to harvest their pelts or harvest certain nodes in an area rich with them; this is done to get hold of large quantities of crafting materials to sell for gold. You won't find them standing in front of Dolmens, and the reason you get killed if you go AFK (Away From Keyboard) near one is because there used to be players who simply taped down their attack button, firing continuously at the dolmen enemies then left to do other things - easy way to get XP without actually participating. ZOS got wise to this and now a static charge builds up and kills you if you just stand still there. Don't go away and leave your character near dolmens.

As for whether it is possible for bots to exist on consoles, I have no idea. In my experience, even on PC there aren't many of them, although there used to be more.

LifenLemons

Aw thanks for that info. I love learning more about the game. I want to be an expert like everyone some day lol. I'll rather go stand in the city next time if I go AFK. Seems like the safer option.

Oh I have another Q. Nirf. Nir.. N.. Something. Nerf? What's that? Lol I saw people on the discussions talking about it. If I google it, it shows a toy brand

zaria

LifenLemons wrote: »

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

Bots are generally programs designed to operate your player character semi-autonomously, giving you an unfair advantage over others in the game. Primarily being able to play the game when you're not there, gaining experience, materials, gold, etc.

OP is original post, original poster, or I'm sure something more creative depending on who you are.

Thanks for the reply.

So bots, who would be able to do that on say.... Console? Ps4 specifically.
Are they the characters just standing at dolmens who eventually get killed?
Reason why I'm asking is that sometimes I have to go do something quick and I usually run away from a dolmen and go stand on a spot thats safe, and then I come back and I'm dead. I've recorded this to see why, and turns out (in auridon, theres a dolmen south on the map, if you run towards tge town there's a mountain side you can stand on. It's in between going back to the city and meeting the imp), I saw that the dolmen killed me with red circles. I'm not sure how it could reach that far to begin with. It never used to. That was my spot when I was doing something that won't require me to log out. Like making coffee. And when I revive, I don't get that chest for that dolmen cause I didn't actively participate in it. Which is fair by me.

So I understand what bots are, just don't understand on a ps4 how people would benefit from it. Unless it's more on "auto pilot" than not. Or only possible on PC.
PC is different. It's a lot easier to put a mod or something on a pc game file

If you are in an group you will get xp from group kills even if you just stood there, this is legal, you will be logged out after 10 minutes or so. And its dangerous at dolmen because an effect who can kill you if you stay still, spawning monster can also kill you unless you know location is safe.

Bots at least in ESO is any sort of away from keyboard grinding or farming, simplest is rubberbanding, you lock down fire button so you spam heavy attacks. Second is keyboard, mouse of controller macros, this runs an rotation so you can use area effect spells and self heals.
Last is bots who use 3rd part programs who interact with the game

zaria

LifenLemons wrote: »

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

Bots are generally programs designed to operate your player character semi-autonomously, giving you an unfair advantage over others in the game. Primarily being able to play the game when you're not there, gaining experience, materials, gold, etc.

OP is original post, original poster, or I'm sure something more creative depending on who you are.

Thanks for the reply.

So bots, who would be able to do that on say.... Console? Ps4 specifically.
Are they the characters just standing at dolmens who eventually get killed?
Reason why I'm asking is that sometimes I have to go do something quick and I usually run away from a dolmen and go stand on a spot thats safe, and then I come back and I'm dead. I've recorded this to see why, and turns out (in auridon, theres a dolmen south on the map, if you run towards tge town there's a mountain side you can stand on. It's in between going back to the city and meeting the imp), I saw that the dolmen killed me with red circles. I'm not sure how it could reach that far to begin with. It never used to. That was my spot when I was doing something that won't require me to log out. Like making coffee. And when I revive, I don't get that chest for that dolmen cause I didn't actively participate in it. Which is fair by me.

So I understand what bots are, just don't understand on a ps4 how people would benefit from it. Unless it's more on "auto pilot" than not. Or only possible on PC.
PC is different. It's a lot easier to put a mod or something on a pc game file

If you are in an group you will get xp from group kills even if you just stood there, this is legal, you will be logged out after 10 minutes or so. And its dangerous at dolmen because an effect who can kill you if you stay still, spawning monster can also kill you unless you know location is safe.

Bots at least in ESO is any sort of away from keyboard grinding or farming, simplest is rubberbanding, you lock down fire button so you spam heavy attacks. Second is keyboard, mouse of controller macros, this runs an rotation so you can use area effect spells and self heals.
Last is bots who use 3rd part programs who interact with the game

Sparr0w

You shouldn't really see bots on console since it requires you to run another program or a piece of code that will set your character to autopilot harvesting/farming/grinding.

On PC you'd be able to code certain scenarios such as attack until mob is dead, health drops to 40% use a healing skill, see a node harvest it.

Console theoretically you could program a controller to continuously attack in one area or harvest one node spawn, couldn't do much else since Xbox you can only save edit & PS4 modding isn't possible online. I guess the common one you may see isn't 'botting' but holding down a trigger or an analogue stick in one direction with an elastic band or tape.

Yakidafi

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=nerf

LifenLemons

That makes sense. Thanks. And Omg I haven't done rubber banding since GTA 4. I forgot about it to be honest lol So many memories

Vietfox

LifenLemons wrote: »

Aw thanks for that info. I love learning more about the game. I want to be an expert like everyone some day lol. I'll rather go stand in the city next time if I go AFK. Seems like the safer option.

Oh I have another Q. Nirf. Nir.. N.. Something. Nerf? What's that? Lol I saw people on the discussions talking about it. If I google it, it shows a toy brand

To weaken. Like people crying about nbs (nightblades) "omg incap is so op please nerf it"

Btw, op means overpowered too.

Elwendryll

LifenLemons wrote: »

Aw thanks for that info. I love learning more about the game. I want to be an expert like everyone some day lol. I'll rather go stand in the city next time if I go AFK. Seems like the safer option.

Oh I have another Q. Nirf. Nir.. N.. Something. Nerf? What's that? Lol I saw people on the discussions talking about it. If I google it, it shows a toy brand

A nerf, as opposed to a buff, it's when the performance of something is diminished by a change in the game. An ability dealing 20% less damage after an update, it's a nerf.

psxfloh

edit: removed! Someone else already explained the same thing...

LifenLemons

Vietfox wrote: »

LifenLemons wrote: »

Aw thanks for that info. I love learning more about the game. I want to be an expert like everyone some day lol. I'll rather go stand in the city next time if I go AFK. Seems like the safer option.

Oh I have another Q. Nirf. Nir.. N.. Something. Nerf? What's that? Lol I saw people on the discussions talking about it. If I google it, it shows a toy brand

To weaken. Like people crying about nbs (nightblades) "omg incap is so op please nerf it"

Btw, op means overpowered too.

Ooooohhhh... Weaken. Nerf as in less as in softer. Lol
I'm learning a lot. You guys rock

LifenLemons

Elwendryll wrote: »

LifenLemons wrote: »

Aw thanks for that info. I love learning more about the game. I want to be an expert like everyone some day lol. I'll rather go stand in the city next time if I go AFK. Seems like the safer option.

Oh I have another Q. Nirf. Nir.. N.. Something. Nerf? What's that? Lol I saw people on the discussions talking about it. If I google it, it shows a toy brand

A nerf, as opposed to a buff, it's when the performance of something is diminished by a change in the game. An ability dealing 20% less damage after an update, it's a nerf.

So Nerf = the Ridler & Buff = the Hulk
Got it

Nermy

Here's a link to a dictionary of MMO abbreviations you might find useful.

And hats of for having the balls to ask, as my teacher said - There are no stupid questions.

LifenLemons

Nermy wrote: »

Here's a link to a dictionary of MMO abbreviations you might find useful.

And hats of for having the balls to ask, as my teacher said - There are no stupid questions.

Thank you! That's going to help a lot
And I agree. How else will we know if we don't ask? Lol

madchuska83

Sparr0w wrote: »

You shouldn't really see bots on console since it requires you to run another program or a piece of code that will set your character to autopilot harvesting/farming/grinding.

On PC you'd be able to code certain scenarios such as attack until mob is dead, health drops to 40% use a healing skill, see a node harvest it.

Console theoretically you could program a controller to continuously attack in one area or harvest one node spawn, couldn't do much else since Xbox you can only save edit & PS4 modding isn't possible online. I guess the common one you may see isn't 'botting' but holding down a trigger or an analogue stick in one direction with an elastic band or tape.

There are loads of bots on console. Go to any starter zone and you'll find mobs of lvl 3 Sorcs spamming heavy attack, boundless storm, and familiar. Or one player leading a train of 15 bots around a farming loop.

AgentOrangeR

what exactly is theory crafting? is it to find BiS - and what is bis? best in set?

and why does animation cancelling work for me half the time? my timing is fairly consistent?

what's the best rotation for a sorc? it's a non-pet build, julianos, mother's sorrow, ilambis gear, got the 5/5/2 with 5/1/1 setup. so I get 5 piece bonus on Julian's and mother's sorrow, in 5 light, 1 medium and 1 heavy armor. is that even a good set up? i have infused and precise staves. I'd like to clear vMA ☺️

Ghanima_Atreides

AgentOrangeR wrote: »

what exactly is theory crafting? is it to find BiS - and what is bis? best in set?

and why does animation cancelling work for me half the time? my timing is fairly consistent?

Theory Crafting = coming up with new effective builds.

BiS = Best in Slot, aka the optimal gear set/combination for a certain class or build.

And yes, if your animation cancelling doesn't work consistently, then your timing wasn't quite right. It's tricky, personally I can only do it with a couple of skills.

I'll let someone who's more of an expert to comment on best rotations for Sorcs...

TheDarkoil

AgentOrangeR wrote: »

what exactly is theory crafting? is it to find BiS - and what is bis? best in set?

and why does animation cancelling work for me half the time? my timing is fairly consistent?

what's the best rotation for a sorc? it's a non-pet build, julianos, mother's sorrow, ilambis gear, got the 5/5/2 with 5/1/1 setup. so I get 5 piece bonus on Julian's and mother's sorrow, in 5 light, 1 medium and 1 heavy armor. is that even a good set up? i have infused and precise staves. I'd like to clear vMA ☺️

VMA as a magsorc, easiest first time clear build is this imo.

Iilambris heavy/medium.
Necropotence -3 and sharpened lightning staff with fire enchant.
Elegance - 5

1 skill bar. Elemental blockade, empowered ward, clanfear, twilight matriach, inner light or bound aegis depending on if you are gonna use crit pots. Ultimate elemental rage. The final key is to use a tri food instead of just health/mag as you need the stam in VMA.

Aurielle

Sparr0w wrote: »

You shouldn't really see bots on console since it requires you to run another program or a piece of code that will set your character to autopilot harvesting/farming/grinding.

On PC you'd be able to code certain scenarios such as attack until mob is dead, health drops to 40% use a healing skill, see a node harvest it.

Console theoretically you could program a controller to continuously attack in one area or harvest one node spawn, couldn't do much else since Xbox you can only save edit & PS4 modding isn't possible online. I guess the common one you may see isn't 'botting' but holding down a trigger or an analogue stick in one direction with an elastic band or tape.

Botting ABSOLUTELY exists on console. There are multiboxing trains of bots with gibberish names that move in perfect sync with each other, firing off skills at the exact same time. I’m not sure if they’re using modded controllers or illicitly modded consoles; either way, they do exist. You’ll see them in Betnikh, Auridon, etc. I’m not sure that reporting them does any good, as they’re always there.

LifenLemons

Interesting.....

aaisoaho

Some abbreviations missing from the link (linked by Nermy):
- GG: good game
- WP: well played
- QQ: almost same as rage quit, the term comes from an old game, where alt+Q would exit the game and Q would exit the launcher

Also you might see something like: "LF2M dd tank nSO" means Looking for 2 more (players), damage dealer and tank, for normal Sanctum Ophidia. Usually the looking for messages are formed like: LF [how many players needed] M + [roles needed] + [activity].

Roles are from "holy trinity", damage dealer (DD or DPS) is a person whom purpose is to dish out as much damage as possible, usually in trials there are 8-9 DDs in group and in group dungeons there are 2. Tank is a person whom purpose is to keep the monsters busy and eat as much damage as possible to prevent other player from dying, there's usually 1-2 tanks in trials and 1 tank in group dungeons. (Tanks taunts the monsters by using abilities. Other duties tanks have is: debuffing enemies, buffing other members in the group) Healers (usually written simply as Heal) are persons who heal other members to prevent them from dying, usually 1-2 healers are in trials and only 1 in group dungeons. Other duties for healers are buffing/debuffing.

There's tons of activities, usually the activity abbrev is formed like: n or v (n for normal, v for veteran difficulty) + abbrev for the dungeon/trial. It is possible that one is looking for more player for trials or pledges. Pledges are daily undaunted group dungeon quests.

Trials are 12 man "raids", there is:
- AA: Aetherial Archives
- AS: Asylum Sanctorium
- CR: Cloudrest
- DSA: Dragonstar Arena (this is a 4 man trial)
- HRC: Hel-Ra Citadel
- MOL: Maw of Lorkhaj
- SO: Sanctum Ophidia
- MA/MSA: Maelstrom Arena (single player trial, nobody is looking for a group or looking for more for MA because you can't group up for it)

Because there is tons of group dungeons, I wont list every abbrev for them, but because the link said CoH means City of Heroes, I want to tell you, in ESO, CoH means Crypt of Hearts, and because there is 2 versions of CoH, players usually tells you which one, CoH I/CoH1 or CoH II/CoH2.

Oh and almost forgot: there might be "exp" in the LFM message meaning the player is looking for experienced players only (ones whi have done the activity before).

LifenLemons

This is very informative thank you aaisoaho

AgentOrangeR

TheDarkoil wrote: »

VMA as a magsorc, easiest first time clear build is this imo.

Iilambris heavy/medium.
Necropotence -3 and sharpened lightning staff with fire enchant.
Elegance - 5

1 skill bar. Elemental blockade, empowered ward, clanfear, twilight matriach, inner light or bound aegis depending on if you are gonna use crit pots. Ultimate elemental rage. The final key is to use a tri food instead of just health/mag as you need the stam in VMA.

Thanks for the responses! will have to try that set up, any hints on what cp point distribution should be or the rotation I should use? and so far I've just been using mag/health food, so will need to get tri food

TheDarkoil

AgentOrangeR wrote: »

TheDarkoil wrote: »

VMA as a magsorc, easiest first time clear build is this imo.

Iilambris heavy/medium.
Necropotence -3 and sharpened lightning staff with fire enchant.
Elegance - 5

1 skill bar. Elemental blockade, empowered ward, clanfear, twilight matriach, inner light or bound aegis depending on if you are gonna use crit pots. Ultimate elemental rage. The final key is to use a tri food instead of just health/mag as you need the stam in VMA.

Thanks for the responses! will have to try that set up, any hints on what cp point distribution should be or the rotation I should use? and so far I've just been using mag/health food, so will need to get tri food

Off the top of my head I'm not completely sure, I maxed the spell pen and heavy damage ones though as it's a heavy attack build. The rotation is simple, lay elemental blockade, use your volatile familiar aoe (sorry not clanfear) and heavy attack as needed which should proc iilambris a lot. Never let your shield drop which should be massive due to your high max magicka.

Sparr0w

Aurielle wrote: »

Sparr0w wrote: »

You shouldn't really see bots on console since it requires you to run another program or a piece of code that will set your character to autopilot harvesting/farming/grinding.

On PC you'd be able to code certain scenarios such as attack until mob is dead, health drops to 40% use a healing skill, see a node harvest it.

Console theoretically you could program a controller to continuously attack in one area or harvest one node spawn, couldn't do much else since Xbox you can only save edit & PS4 modding isn't possible online. I guess the common one you may see isn't 'botting' but holding down a trigger or an analogue stick in one direction with an elastic band or tape.

Botting ABSOLUTELY exists on console. There are multiboxing trains of bots with gibberish names that move in perfect sync with each other, firing off skills at the exact same time. I’m not sure if they’re using modded controllers or illicitly modded consoles; either way, they do exist. You’ll see them in Betnikh, Auridon, etc. I’m not sure that reporting them does any good, as they’re always there.

Interesting, last I checked modding wasn't available on console. At least not online...

EDIT: PS4 or Xbox?

Lysette

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

Bots are generally programs designed to operate your player character semi-autonomously, giving you an unfair advantage over others in the game. Primarily being able to play the game when you're not there, gaining experience, materials, gold, etc.

OP is original post, original poster, or I'm sure something more creative depending on who you are.

Yeah, this and farming trains - people, who have multiple accounts, and all are operated automatically so, that what the first does, will be repeated by all the others as well - which looks like a train of people, who act as a unit, rapidly doing the same thing with all their characters - where just the first one is played, and the others follow automatically.