Molag Kena's Overkill damage increase

Marexai

Hi,

I've been testing Molag Kena's Overkill damage increase and I've found out a strange thing: the increase with a bow is significantly higher than with DW.
I compared the tooltip values of the weapon skills and the weapon damage of both weapons:

DW weapon damage 2695, Bloodthirst 1167 dmg; with Overkill weapon damage increased to 3298 (+ 18%) and Bloodthirst dmg to 1282 (+9%).

Bow weapon damage 2313, Lethal Arrow 12201; with Overkill weapon damage increased to 2900 (+20%) and Lethal Arrow dmg to 14512 (+16%).

Ofc, I used the same starting position for both weapon setups (the same gear; only the food buff was present).

Do you know the logic behind this increase? The Molag Kena Overkill clearly states that the increase is xxx weapon damage, so why is the damage/percentage increase different for different weapons?

I've tested it for more weapon abilities, and the percentage increase is identical for all DW abilities (+9%) and for all Bow abilities (+16%)...

Yakidafi

You gained 603(22%) wp damage on dw bar.
You gained 587(25%) wp damage on bow bar.
Kena give flat wp dmg increase so if you have lower numbers the % increase will be bigger than if you had higher numbers such as your dw wp damage.
The difference in numbers of Xtra wp dmg is because of other buffs added in the equation.

Merlin13KAGL

Go here and plug in your actual stats.

You can expand the show Skill coefficients and see how much of a factor SD/WD vs Stat does, even though most are going to be about 1:10.5 for most skills.

For the WD increases, they are both right about the tooltip value of Kena, with a little more from various passives and such (still comparable for both weapons)

For the skills, it depends on the coefficients listed above, and it also depends on the ratio of your own WD vs Stam.

A 10% increase in weapon damage is not going to directly translate to a 10% increase in skill damage, because WD is only part of the equation. In the same realm, if will also not translate into a 10% increase in overall DPS.

They're dealing two different damage types, too. I'm guessing you have CP's increasing poison damage vs physical. This would mean the Kena would have a greater effect on the Lethal than it would on Bloodthirst, effectively getting amplified more.

Lastly, are you going by tooltip values for damage, or actual registered damage? Registered damage factors in mitigation, of course, but tooltips don't always accurately reflect what the game actual does internally sometimes.

jaws343

Check out the Hawk Eye Passive. Rank 2 has Consecutive light attacks with the bow increase the damage of your bow abilities by 5% per stack. So doing the 2 attacks necessary to proc Kena will increase the damage of your bow abilities by10%.

Dual wield does not have this.

Marexai

Thank you for your reply, but it's still rather unclear to me...

The difference between:

Bloodthirst 1167 dmg increased to 1282
and
Lethal Arrow 12201 dmg increased to 14512

is not a few percent difference.

What I am interested in is the tooltip value. Why does the bow have almost as twice as high increase in damage than DW?

Since the damage increase from Overkill is a fixed number? (and all the three weapons were purple)

Waffennacht

@Marexai how do the abilities scale with Max Stam?

Yakidafi

Do your tests again, and stay on the same bar and check what the tooltips say now and see if the % differ or not.

I tested now and I got the same % increase.

Marexai

Hello again,

thank you for all the replies.

I've done the testing again and it is the Hawk Eye that influenced the increase.
I'd had the Long Shots in mind so I was using the bow from "melee" but totally forgot about the HE passive.


(stamina was the same for both weapon bars and poison/physical damage with CPs did not play a role because I was only testing the increase from Molag Kena damage and the % increase was the same both for poison damage - lethal arrow, poison injection - and physical damage - ballista).

thanks!

Masel

You can also check out my comprehensive guide on damage dealing, i explain every step there. Generally, the more you have from one stat already, the less damage benefit you get from an increase, which also defers your comparison between the two different bars.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/422268/a-comprehensive-guide-on-damage-dealing-in-elder-scrolls-online#latest