Some races need to be improved

Vaneur

As the tittle says there are some races like nord whose passives are pretty useless, making them unworthy to play with; as i suggested at this topic https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/425589/some-changes-id-like-to-see-in-a-future-update-races#latest, would be nice to see a change like that at least in the PTS server to test it
I also copy here the racial changes that I wrote in that topic:

Imperial: Its pasives has been redesigned.
OLD:
- Tough 1/2/3: Increases Max Health by 4%/8%/12%
- Conditioning 1/2/3: Increases Max Stamina by 4%/7%/10%
- Red Diamond 1/2/3: Give your melee attacks a 10% change to restore 174/349/524 Health

NEW:
- Tough 1/2/3: Increases Max Health by 4%/8%/12%
- Dynamic 1/2/3: Increases Max Stamina by 4%/5%/6% and Max Magicka by 4%/5%/6%
- Red Diamond 1/2/3: Reduce the Stamina and Magicka cost of your habilities by 1%/2%/3%


Nord: Its pasives has been redesigned.
OLD:
- Stalwart 1/2/3: Increases Max Stamina by 2%/4%/6% and Health Recovery by 6%/13%/20%
- Resist Frost 1/2/3: Increases Max Health by 3%/6%/9% and Cold Resistance by 693/1386/2079
- Rugged 1/2/3: Reduces incoming damage by 2%/4%/6%

NEW:
- Endurable 1/2/3: Increases Max Stamina by 2%/4%/6% and Stamina Recovery by 3%/6%/9%
- Adamant 1/2/3: Increases Max Health by 3%/6%/9% and Health Recovery by 6%/13%/20%
- Rugged 1/2/3: Increases your Physical and Spell Resistance by 1320/2640/3960


Breton: Magicka Mastery pasive has been improved and Spell Resistance pasive has been reworked.
OLD:
- Gift of Magnus: Increases Max Magicka by 4%/7%/10%
- Spell Resistance: Increases your Spell Resistance by 1320/2640/3960
- Magicka Mastery: Reduce the Magicka cost of your spells by 1%/2%/3%

NEW:
- Gift of Magnus: Increases Max Magicka by 4%/7%/10%
- Spell Resistance: Increases your Spell Resistance by 693/1386/2079. When you take Magic damage you restore 150/290/410 Magicka. This effect can occur once every 5 seconds
- Magicka Mastery: Reduce the Magicka cost of your spells by 3%/4%/5%

kadar

YAS, add spell crit to Khajiit. This leaves Redguard undisputed PVE DPS king and gives khajiit a little niche.

Tryxus

Finally some Breton suggestions I can get behind, instead of all those "increase Magicka damage" ones.

Would love to see an ESO version of Dragonskin

Sparr0w

Was expecting crap suggestions, actually not that bad.

Imperial would be more than viable for either build & great for tanks.

Breton would be sustain gods, while Dark elf would be most damage and high elf in the middle.

Nord would be viable, I'd like to see something here for damage with 2H or something.

Khajiit having both crit would be awesome, maybe a little sustain chucked in on critical damage?

Ladislao

Vaneur wrote: »

As the tittle says there are some races like nord whose passives are pretty useless, making them unworthy to play with

They will be unworthy to play until some famous blogger says that it's BiS.

Despite the fact that there is very little imbalance in the races, this problem is greatly exaggerated.

Faulgor

I'm not happy about Nords losing their cold resistance, that's kind of their thing.

Tryxus wrote: »

Finally some Breton suggestions I can get behind, instead of all those "increase Magicka damage" ones.

Would love to see an ESO version of Dragonskin

Racial active abilities / ultimates would be such a treat.

Twohothardware

Nord needs more than just an extra 9% Recovery as that wouldn't get it near balance with Argonian for tanking still because of how OP resource management is on Argonian. And Nord's PvE DPS is too far behind Redguard with the 10% max Stam and Adrenaline passive. In PvE DPS builds you only have around 1000 Stam Recovery so a 9% bonus is barely noticeable just like it is with Khajiit vs Redguard.

One good suggestion I've seen for Nord is give the Race an additional flat bonus to Stamina when using a Drink since Nord's lore is around drinking.

Drop the Rugged passive and give more Max Stamina instead.

Nord NEW Passives:
- Stalwart 1/2/3: Increases Max Stamina by 2%/4%/6% and Health Recovery by 6%/13%/20%
- Adamant 1/2/3: Increases Max Health by 3%/6%/9% and Physical Resistance by 693/1386/2079
- Hulking 1/2/3: Increases your Max Stamina by 1000/1500/2000 while you have a drink buff active.

I think that would make Nord another viable DPS build choice if you wanted to go for max total Stamina vs more Recovery with Redguard.

SilverWF

I up for Bretons changes, but from my sig only

All suggested here changes are LOL and can't be taken seriously

Olupajmibanan

Your suggestion for Nord passive Rugged isn't viable. You have resistance cap just by going full heavy and Bloodspawn/Lord Warden. So it would be a completely useless passive.

3960 resistances is equal to 6% damage reduction. But 6% damage reduction, as it works now, is added on top of resistances.

Dracane

Either Altmer: Increase Magicka by 6/8/12 % or Breton, increases magicka by 3/6/8 % Restore Altmer to what it used to be. Humans don't have as much Magicka, they are impure.

huschdeguddzje

Lorewise it would make more sense for bretons to have a magicka and stamina bonus.
These suggestions are solid tough

Slick_007

if this was posted elsewhere, why is this now a new thread?

Tryxus

Faulgor wrote: »

I'm not happy about Nords losing their cold resistance, that's kind of their thing.

Tryxus wrote: »

Finally some Breton suggestions I can get behind, instead of all those "increase Magicka damage" ones.

Would love to see an ESO version of Dragonskin

Racial active abilities / ultimates would be such a treat.

Well, the Redguard's power Adrenaline Rush has been turned into a passive for this game. Perhaps, the same thing could be done with the Breton's Dragonskin:

- Gift of Magnus: Increases Max Magicka by 4%/7%/10%.
- Arcane Mastery: Reduce the Magicka cost of your spells by 3%/4%/5% and increases your Spell Resistance by 693/1386/2079.
- Dragonskin: When you take Magic damage you restore 150/290/410 Magicka. This effect can occur once every 5 seconds

Liofa

Imperial looks good. Much better than what it is now.

mb10

These are way too OP imo especially Imperial

That also makes Bretons better magicka users than High Elves LOL


Races that are in need of a little love:
Khajiit
Nord
Imperial

Unit117

mb10 wrote: »

These are way too OP imo especially Imperial

That also makes Bretons better magicka users than High Elves LOL


Races that are in need of a little love:
Khajiit
Nord
Imperial

I disagree with you in just about every way.

Unit117

Also for the Breton. The second one looks like a nerf to me. 400 magicka over 5 seconds wouldn’t even be noticable. Think about it. Say for moves that cost 3000 magic. It would take 35+ seconds for you to even beable to get one extra cast in. That’s a long time. I’d rather have the resistance

lucky_Sage

mb10 wrote: »

These are way too OP imo especially Imperial

That also makes Bretons better magicka users than High Elves LOL


Races that are in need of a little love:
Khajiit
Nord
Imperial

Bretons are worst magicka race argonians have better sustain. Bretons cost reduction is only slightly better for templars in dks but when it very little more when lizards get stam and magicka back it way makes up for it here is the math I did 4 months ago about it
each magicka class with Breton 3% reduce cost = mag per second
dragonknight avg cost 3510 = 105.3 mag per second regen
nightblade avg cost 3060.06 = 91.80 mag per second
warden avg cost 3060.73 = 91.82 mag per second
sorcerer avg cost 3379 = 101.37 mag per second (did not count dark conversion because mag morph cost stam)
Templar avg cost 3516 = 105.48 mag per second
there are no other factors for other than base cost no passives or cp affecting it

argonians get 102.666 hp mag and stam per second with there passive

Silver_Strider

Nord
Buff Max Stamina to 9%
Add a stamina return on damage to the Rugged passive.

Breton
Add a 1/3/5% Magic Regen effect on top of the cost reduction passive
For s***s and giggles, add a 1/2/3% Max Health passive to Spell Resistance passive.

Khajiit
Nerf Stealthy down to 6% stealth damage and add 1/2/3% Max Stamina
Increase Stamina regen effect to 4/8/12%
Change Health Regen for Max Health by 2/4/6%
Increase Crit buff to 3/6/9% and include Spell Crit to it.

Twohothardware

Silver_Strider wrote: »

Nord
Buff Max Stamina to 9%
Add a stamina return on damage to the Rugged passive.

That would be a good change. I still like my idea of giving Nord the highest total Stamina though something like an additional flat bonus when using a drink but Nord just needs a buff, any buff, to get it's damage higher since it can't compete in Tanking to Argonian because of the large sustain difference.

IZZEFlameLash

Khajiit could use spell crit and maybe alchemical poison and potion boost since they also have... Moonsugar and Skooma.

Imperials, I guess there can be really tiny boost to magicka like Argonians because last recent TES game Skyrim had boost in Destruction and Restoration. Maybe like 3% magicka boost? Or just cost reduction of abilities by 3% to represent their resourcefulness while boosting Breton to about 5?

IAVITNI

Vaneur wrote: »

As the tittle says there are some races like nord whose passives are pretty useless, making them unworthy to play with; as i suggested at this topic https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/425589/some-changes-id-like-to-see-in-a-future-update-races#latest, would be nice to see a change like that at least in the PTS server to test it
I also copy here the racial changes that I wrote in that topic:

Imperial: Its pasives has been redesigned.
OLD:
- Tough 1/2/3: Increases Max Health by 4%/8%/12%
- Conditioning 1/2/3: Increases Max Stamina by 4%/7%/10%
- Red Diamond 1/2/3: Give your melee attacks a 10% change to restore 174/349/524 Health

NEW:
- Tough 1/2/3: Increases Max Health by 4%/8%/12%
- Dynamic 1/2/3: Increases Max Stamina by 4%/5%/6% and Max Magicka by 4%/5%/6%
- Red Diamond 1/2/3: Reduce the Stamina and Magicka cost of your habilities by 1%/2%/3%


Nord: Its pasives has been redesigned.
OLD:
- Stalwart 1/2/3: Increases Max Stamina by 2%/4%/6% and Health Recovery by 6%/13%/20%
- Resist Frost 1/2/3: Increases Max Health by 3%/6%/9% and Cold Resistance by 693/1386/2079
- Rugged 1/2/3: Reduces incoming damage by 2%/4%/6%

NEW:
- Endurable 1/2/3: Increases Max Stamina by 2%/4%/6% and Stamina Recovery by 3%/6%/9%
- Adamant 1/2/3: Increases Max Health by 3%/6%/9% and Health Recovery by 6%/13%/20%
- Rugged 1/2/3: Increases your Physical and Spell Resistance by 1320/2640/3960


Breton: Magicka Mastery pasive has been improved and Spell Resistance pasive has been reworked.
OLD:
- Gift of Magnus: Increases Max Magicka by 4%/7%/10%
- Spell Resistance: Increases your Spell Resistance by 1320/2640/3960
- Magicka Mastery: Reduce the Magicka cost of your spells by 1%/2%/3%

NEW:
- Gift of Magnus: Increases Max Magicka by 4%/7%/10%
- Spell Resistance: Increases your Spell Resistance by 693/1386/2079. When you take Magic damage you restore 150/290/410 Magicka. This effect can occur once every 5 seconds
- Magicka Mastery: Reduce the Magicka cost of your spells by 3%/4%/5%

I really like the Breton changes although at that point I think the magicka sustain is over the top. You could change the passive to Spell Mastery and keep it at 3% but also have it affect ultimates. Either one would work, but that sustain looks kind of crazy tbh. An yes I'm aware it's only against magicka skills.

Not a fan of the Nord changes. It loses a lot of the Nord identity. Don't forget that Nords can't be Chilled due to that Cold Resistance so don't undervalue it. As @Olupajmibanan stated, the Rugged change actually becomes a nerf since it's easy to reach resistance cap. You could keep Rugged the same and have it reduce Break Free costs or heal for 1k health every time you Break Free.

Imperial passives look too strong. A lot of people like Tough and Conditioning so I doubt its a good idea to change those. Red Diamond is the only flex spot with this race. If you're going for better resource sustain, have it do something like reduce potion cooldown by 5 seconds and increase duration by 2 seconds. Similar results, but makes more sense lore wise as Imperials are often known for being wealthy, and therefore could afford better pots.

Classes are not that unbalanced. They really only need minor tweaks.

Special mention to Khajit and and Bosmer. Their stealth passives are archaic. Khajit needs spell crit and maybe higher jumping. Bosmer could use something too non-stat related like taking 10% reduced damage when Dodge Rolling in AoE.

Runefang

Nord's just need to replace the incoming damage reduction passive with something that boosts the effects of drinks by ~10-20% (not sure what exactly would be balanced). Fits the theme generally and is actually useful.

Vaneur

Thanks your all for your opinions. As you say the nord changes are not best, at the beginning I was thinking about change cold resist to elemental resist and increases it to... 1320/2640/3960 (like bretton current spell resistance) and grants reduced duration to chilled status effect, something like...

Resist Frost 1/2/3: Increases Max Health by 3%/6%/9% and Cold Resistance by 693/1386/2079
to
Resist Elements 1/2/3: Increases Max Health by 3%/6%/9% and Elemental Resistance by 1320/2640/3960. Reduced the duration of Chilled status effects by 30%/40%/50% (or something like that)

I think it's still lore friendly and now it grants some useful resistances.

About Rugged... yep, maybe it's not one of the best changes but it need to be improve. The changes that Silver_ Strider about stamina return on damage seems pretty solid:

Nord: Its pasives has been redesigned.
OLD:
- Stalwart 1/2/3: Increases Max Stamina by 2%/4%/6% and Health Recovery by 6%/13%/20%
- Resist Frost 1/2/3: Increases Max Health by 3%/6%/9% and Cold Resistance by 693/1386/2079
- Rugged 1/2/3: Reduces incoming damage by 2%/4%/6% (I know there are ppl who like this passive, but it's applied at the end, after all damage reductions are applied, make it not enough good to be conseder even a passive)

NEW:
- Stalwart 1/2/3: Increases Max Stamina by 2%/4%/6% and Health Recovery by 6%/13%/20%
- Resist Elements 1/2/3: Increases Max Health by 3%/6%/9% and Elemental Resistance by 1320/2640/3960. Reduced the duration of Chilled status effects by 30%/40%/50%
- Rugged 1/2/3: When you take damage you restore 261/522/792 Stamina. This effect can occur once every 5 seconds.

About breton and imperial changes... I think they aren't bad proposals after all

aeowulf

I'd push the boat out and make red diamond grant ultimate - nothing too much obviously, maybe something like decisive trait. We already have basically every other race with stat pool sustain.

dodgehopper_ESO

aeowulf wrote: »

I'd push the boat out and make red diamond grant ultimate - nothing too much obviously, maybe something like decisive trait. We already have basically every other race with stat pool sustain.

This is a fun idea. Right now Red Diamond is pretty much garbage.

ezio45

why is no one mentioning the poor woodelfs lol

If i had 2 races to buff it would be nord and woodelf

IZZEFlameLash

ezio45 wrote: »

why is no one mentioning the poor woodelfs lol

If i had 2 races to buff it would be nord and woodelf

Bosmer with 21% stam recovery, stealth bonus not enough eh? They are really not in any need of buffs.

Strider__Roshin

IZZEFlameLash wrote: »

ezio45 wrote: »

why is no one mentioning the poor woodelfs lol

If i had 2 races to buff it would be nord and woodelf

Bosmer with 21% stam recovery, stealth bonus not enough eh? They are really not in any need of buffs.

Not to mention immune to Defile via Disease damage. They're one of the best right now in PvP.

Sinolai

I like the current final nord passive. it offers damage mitigation not availiable from any other sources. Other than that, I give full support to the rest of these changes.

Silver_Strider

ezio45 wrote: »

why is no one mentioning the poor woodelfs lol

If i had 2 races to buff it would be nord and woodelf

The only way you'll get a Buff to Bosmer is if Stealthy gets nerfed. 10% Stealth Damage is a lot and with their current passives, a buff to their damage/sustain seems unlikely.