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What stamblades need..
Strider__Roshin
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Better survivability outside of stealth.
And Dark Cloak is the way to do it. Right now in its current form it is too expensive and not potent enough to do the job.
Suggested changes:
1) Reduce the cost
2) Increase the duration of minor protection (also fix it so it actually gives minor protection)
3) crit off of highest stat
Now what all stamina classes need: better survivability in medium armor. Stam has been forced into heavy bleed builds because otherwise they blow up on sight due to the potency of undodgeable abilities and proc sets.
And Dark Cloak is the way to do it. Right now in its current form it is too expensive and not potent enough to do the job.
Suggested changes:
1) Reduce the cost
2) Increase the duration of minor protection (also fix it so it actually gives minor protection)
3) crit off of highest stat
Now what all stamina classes need: better survivability in medium armor. Stam has been forced into heavy bleed builds because otherwise they blow up on sight due to the potency of undodgeable abilities and proc sets.
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Lord_Ninka✭✭✭I do vma and pvp on a stamblade in medium. My stamina-based heals kick ass and leeching strikes constributes nicely. All while I deal pretty high damage. So I don't think they really need much better survivability.
I wouldn't mind your second and third suggestion for changes to dark cloak, but cost reduction would make it OP as a self-heal on high health heavy armor builds, and I don't really understand why you want to take the only NB self-heal that's good for high health heavy armor and balance that for medium armor stamblades.4 -
Strider__Roshin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I don’t see why not... non cloak medium is way too squishy and I don’t even stam
Right now stamblades are the only class that can successfully PvP in medium(competitively) due to stealth which is why I would only suggest buffing their survivability via Dark Cloak in order to avoid further buffing stealth.3 -
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✭✭✭✭Cloak really isn't that good without possibility to move fast on stealth.
There is a reason why most nightblades changed to a heavy armour build.
No crit. heals and no movement, coz vampire isn't an option any longer.
Please make it possible that an assassine class can move fast in stealth.
Why is that only possible for magblades?PS5|EU0 -
Joshlenoir✭✭✭✭Lord_Ninka wrote: »I do vma and pvp on a stamblade in medium. My stamina-based heals kick ass and leeching strikes constributes nicely. All while I deal pretty high damage. So I don't think they really need much better survivability.
I wouldn't mind your second and third suggestion for changes to dark cloak, but cost reduction would make it OP as a self-heal on high health heavy armor builds, and I don't really understand why you want to take the only NB self-heal that's good for high health heavy armor and balance that for medium armor stamblades.
Irrelevant. He's talking about PvP which is an entirely different ball game.3 -
Lord_Ninka✭✭✭Joshlenoir wrote: »Lord_Ninka wrote: »I do vma and pvp on a stamblade in medium. My stamina-based heals kick ass and leeching strikes constributes nicely. All while I deal pretty high damage. So I don't think they really need much better survivability.
I wouldn't mind your second and third suggestion for changes to dark cloak, but cost reduction would make it OP as a self-heal on high health heavy armor builds, and I don't really understand why you want to take the only NB self-heal that's good for high health heavy armor and balance that for medium armor stamblades.
Irrelevant. He's talking about PvP which is an entirely different ball game.
It's irrelevant that I do pvp on a stamblade that survives just fine and that dark cloak is really good for high health builds while there are other good self heals for a powerful stamblade with lower max health? Ok...1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Cloak really isn't that good without possibility to move fast on stealth.
There is a reason why most nightblades changed to a heavy armour build.
No crit. heals and no movement, coz vampire isn't an option any longer.
Please make it possible that an assassine class can move fast in stealth.
Why is that only possible for magblades?
More buffs to stealth aren’t a desirable thing. And this would be a buff to stealth.Main characters: Feanor the Believer - AD Altmer mSorc - AR 46 - Flawless Conqueror (PC EU)Idril Arnanor - AD Altmer mSorc - CP 217 - Stormproof (PC NA)Other characters:Necrophilius Killgood - DC Imperial NecromancerFearscales - AD Argonian Templar - Stormproof (healer)Draco Imperialis - AD Imperial DK (tank)Cabed Naearamarth - AD Dunmer mDKValirion Willowthorne - AD Bosmer stamBladeTuruna - AD Altmer magBladeKheled Zaram - AD Redguard stamDKKibil Nala - AD Redguard stamSorc - StormproofYavanna Kémentárí - AD Breton magWardenAzog gro-Ghâsh - EP Orc stamWardenVidar Drakenblød - DC Nord mDKMarquis de Peyrac - DC Breton mSorc - StormproofRawlith Khaj'ra - AD Khajiit stamWardenTu'waccah - AD Redguard StamplarAll chars 50 @ CP 1700+. Playing and enjoying PvP with RdK mostly on PC EU.4 -
Gprime31✭✭✭✭I don’t see why not... non cloak medium is way too squishy and I don’t even stam
Right now stamblades are the only class that can successfully PvP in medium(competitively) due to stealth which is why I would only suggest buffing their survivability via Dark Cloak in order to avoid further buffing stealth.
lol see med Stamsorc. Med warden.
For you personally maybe med on other classes is not viable, but don’t speak as if it’s fact.Edited by Gprime31 on July 17, 2018 6:58AM2 -
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Lol medium stamsorc dead in 2 seconds med warden i say its still good but heavy way better.I don’t see why not... non cloak medium is way too squishy and I don’t even stam
Right now stamblades are the only class that can successfully PvP in medium(competitively) due to stealth which is why I would only suggest buffing their survivability via Dark Cloak in order to avoid further buffing stealth.
lol see med Stamsorc. Med warden.
For you personally maybe med on other classes is not viable, but don’t speak as if it’s fact.
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Lol medium stamsorc dead in 2 seconds med warden i say its still good but heavy way better.I don’t see why not... non cloak medium is way too squishy and I don’t even stam
Right now stamblades are the only class that can successfully PvP in medium(competitively) due to stealth which is why I would only suggest buffing their survivability via Dark Cloak in order to avoid further buffing stealth.
lol see med Stamsorc. Med warden.
For you personally maybe med on other classes is not viable, but don’t speak as if it’s fact.
Weird, I don't die within two seconds on my stamsorc in medium. Am I doing it wrong?0 -
lazerlaz✭✭✭Lord_Ninka wrote: »I do vma and pvp on a stamblade in medium. My stamina-based heals kick ass and leeching strikes constributes nicely. All while I deal pretty high damage. So I don't think they really need much better survivability.
I wouldn't mind your second and third suggestion for changes to dark cloak, but cost reduction would make it OP as a self-heal on high health heavy armor builds, and I don't really understand why you want to take the only NB self-heal that's good for high health heavy armor and balance that for medium armor stamblades.
The OP is clearly speaking in terms of PvP not pve. As a stamblade who gives a flying rip about PVE?
But yes, heals in PVE are great and for obvious reasons.
You should try cyrodiil.Edited by lazerlaz on July 17, 2018 11:55AM2 -
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✭✭what stamblades NEEDS is a overall nerf too stealth; dmg; and remove that *** bow! gut the class!Cleared Trials:
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"The journey of a thousand miles begins with one step, and a lot of bitching."
-Someone said it, I guess.2 -
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Nerf stealth! Nerf incap! Nerf PvE DPS! Nerf NBs too the ground!Cleared Trials:
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"The journey of a thousand miles begins with one step, and a lot of bitching."
-Someone said it, I guess.0 -
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✭✭✭Definitely needs a buff for PvP, should be a good and viable heal to compensate the loss of stealth, which is a huge tradeoff.I used to think that PvP was a tragedy, but now I realize, it's a comedy.3 -
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✭✭also! Nerf Sorcs!
Nerf Templars!
Nerf Dragonknights!
And Nerf Wardens!
I seem too die from all these, so they all need a nerf Cleared Trials:
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"The journey of a thousand miles begins with one step, and a lot of bitching."
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✭✭✭✭Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Definitely needs a buff for PvP, should be a good and viable heal to compensate the loss of stealth, which is a huge tradeoff.
Agreed, it needs to be an attractive option. I thought about suggesting minor vitality on top of my previous suggestions, but I wasn't sure if that would be too much. I want it to be a competitive option, not an OP one.Edited by Strider__Roshin on July 17, 2018 12:24PM0 -
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Fighting potatoes anything works when you know what your doing.The_Brosteen wrote: »
Lol medium stamsorc dead in 2 seconds med warden i say its still good but heavy way better.I don’t see why not... non cloak medium is way too squishy and I don’t even stam
Right now stamblades are the only class that can successfully PvP in medium(competitively) due to stealth which is why I would only suggest buffing their survivability via Dark Cloak in order to avoid further buffing stealth.
lol see med Stamsorc. Med warden.
For you personally maybe med on other classes is not viable, but don’t speak as if it’s fact.
Weird, I don't die within two seconds on my stamsorc in medium. Am I doing it wrong?
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I don't believe it would make it op with minor vitality but it would make heavy bleeds builds even stronger.Making minor protection last longer tack on minor vitality its a nice option for a open world build and the heal would be more attractive for a build with less than 30k health.Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Definitely needs a buff for PvP, should be a good and viable heal to compensate the loss of stealth, which is a huge tradeoff.
Agreed, it needs to be an attractive option. I thought about suggesting minor vitality on top of my previous suggestions, but I wasn't sure if that would be too much. I want it to be a competitive option, not an OP one.
Most important thing is it need to scale on Spell crit and weapon crit.
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✭✭Tbh ZOS needs to just remove cloak from the game. Shouldn’t be able to hide from a fight like a lot of NBs do. Make them fight, make them L2P.1 -
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✭✭✭✭Tbh ZOS needs to just remove cloak from the game. Shouldn’t be able to hide from a fight like a lot of NBs do. Make them fight, make them L2P.
This song plays in my mind every time I use Piercing Mark on a Nightblade lol
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shinikaze✭✭✭Tbh ZOS needs to just remove cloak from the game. Shouldn’t be able to hide from a fight like a lot of NBs do. Make them fight, make them L2P.
This song plays in my mind every time I use Piercing Mark on a Nightblade lolhttps://youtu.be/V06DISKajss
This plays in my mind when I purge those marks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sC75aU47GRk
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✭✭✭✭Tbh ZOS needs to just remove cloak from the game. Shouldn’t be able to hide from a fight like a lot of NBs do. Make them fight, make them L2P.
This song plays in my mind every time I use Piercing Mark on a Nightblade lolhttps://youtu.be/V06DISKajss
This plays in my mind when I purge those markshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sC75aU47GRk
My Piercing Mark is much cheaper than your "efficient" purge
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