Can stamplars get some sustain?

Yellow_Monolith

kargen27 wrote: »

Cactus316000 wrote: »

Yes please better sustain. I main stamplar for pvp and since One Tamriel I've had to use bone pirate every patch and heavy attacks just to sustain

They lowered sustain as a response to groups finishing vet content as soon as it was released. They admitted the reduction was made because the game wasn't going in the direction they had hoped. Would be nice to get some sustain back but in their eyes lowering the sustain helped get the game back on track. I doubt they are going to give more sustain any time soon.

I think templar should have a built in sustain passive. I can't have any really variety on my pvp stamplar in terms of trying different sets and on my pvp magplar I have to be a vampire and stand in channeled focus just to sustain

DanteYoda

How about ignore all the stupid specialty crap and give Templars a damn damage boost...

usmguy1234

DanteYoda wrote: »

How about ignore all the stupid specialty crap and give Templars a damn damage boost...

I'm guessing magplar bc stamplar has some sick burst. If we had a decent sustain tool we could easily compete with stamward and stamnb in pvp anyways.

huschdeguddzje

Are you insane? STAMPLARS ARE OP NERF THEM PLS

usmguy1234

huschdeguddzje wrote: »

Are you insane? STAMPLARS ARE OP NERF THEM PLS

How are they op? I'm not saying they aren't strong but blanket statements have no worth and will be treated as such.

ezeepeezee

usmguy1234 wrote: »

huschdeguddzje wrote: »

Are you insane? STAMPLARS ARE OP NERF THEM PLS

How are they op? I'm not saying they aren't strong but blanket statements have no worth and will be treated as such.

Ever been hit by PotL > Javelin > DB > Twin Slashes? x)

I wouldn't call it OP but these unbreakable/buggy stuns some classes have make them seem stronger than they really are

technohic

Javelin into DB seems rough for not a lot of extra damage. My stamplar feels pretty good but pales in comparison to my stamNB and the combo you listed there sounds like would be better with Shalk>WB>DBOS>any execute ever

huschdeguddzje

usmguy1234 wrote: »

huschdeguddzje wrote: »

Are you insane? STAMPLARS ARE OP NERF THEM PLS

How are they op? I'm not saying they aren't strong but blanket statements have no worth and will be treated as such.

Im afraid my sarcasm isn't really coming trough.
I'm stamplar pve and player and really want some sustaina

usmguy1234

huschdeguddzje wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

huschdeguddzje wrote: »

Are you insane? STAMPLARS ARE OP NERF THEM PLS

How are they op? I'm not saying they aren't strong but blanket statements have no worth and will be treated as such.

Im afraid my sarcasm isn't really coming trough.
I'm stamplar pve and player and really want some sustaina

Yeah I totally missed it

usmguy1234

technohic wrote: »

Javelin into DB seems rough for not a lot of extra damage. My stamplar feels pretty good but pales in comparison to my stamNB and the combo you listed there sounds like would be better with Shalk>WB>DBOS>any execute ever

If you want to see something to make you giggle... wrecking blow + selenes proc. The wrecking blow slams them up and then selenes slams them down. I've killed people with just that combo. It's like the server doesn't know how to handle the combo. It usually causes a health desynch and they float around the ground.

Yubarius

What about changing restoring focus to give you minor vitality and the same .5 second tick thay channeled focus has but make it stamina?

Drdeath20

ezeepeezee wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

huschdeguddzje wrote: »

Are you insane? STAMPLARS ARE OP NERF THEM PLS

How are they op? I'm not saying they aren't strong but blanket statements have no worth and will be treated as such.

Ever been hit by PotL > Javelin > DB > Twin Slashes? x)

I wouldn't call it OP but these unbreakable/buggy stuns some classes have make them seem stronger than they really are

Javelin followed by a dawn dreaker in less than 6 seconds? Is this possible?

technohic

usmguy1234 wrote: »

technohic wrote: »

Javelin into DB seems rough for not a lot of extra damage. My stamplar feels pretty good but pales in comparison to my stamNB and the combo you listed there sounds like would be better with Shalk>WB>DBOS>any execute ever

If you want to see something to make you giggle... wrecking blow + selenes proc. The wrecking blow slams them up and then selenes slams them down. I've killed people with just that combo. It's like the server doesn't know how to handle the combo. It usually causes a health desynch and they float around the ground.

Only problem there is once you start using WB, your opportunity for the Selenes proc goes down. Templar does have a nice synergy in jabs procing melee procs with each hit in AOE but then you likely will mis with Selenes against anyone with a pulse. Migh be worth the lower chance just to ping pong someone though.

usmguy1234

technohic wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

technohic wrote: »

Javelin into DB seems rough for not a lot of extra damage. My stamplar feels pretty good but pales in comparison to my stamNB and the combo you listed there sounds like would be better with Shalk>WB>DBOS>any execute ever

If you want to see something to make you giggle... wrecking blow + selenes proc. The wrecking blow slams them up and then selenes slams them down. I've killed people with just that combo. It's like the server doesn't know how to handle the combo. It usually causes a health desynch and they float around the ground.

Only problem there is once you start using WB, your opportunity for the Selenes proc goes down. Templar does have a nice synergy in jabs procing melee procs with each hit in AOE but then you likely will mis with Selenes against anyone with a pulse. Migh be worth the lower chance just to ping pong someone though.

They usually get distracted + snared by jabs. Also blinding people with potl just adds to the fun.

usmguy1234

Yubarius wrote: »

What about changing restoring focus to give you minor vitality and the same .5 second tick thay channeled focus has but make it stamina?

This sounds good to me.

Wreuntzylla

The hardest part of starting a game with a pseudo-trinity and moving to homogeneity is cutting the healing class down to the same healing efficiency as every other class.

Stamplar is just an innocent bystander hit by the constant drive-bys.

usmguy1234

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

The hardest part of starting a game with a pseudo-trinity is cutting the healing class down to the same healing efficiency as every other class.

Stamplar is just an innocent bystander hit by the constant drive-bys.

Yeah losing major mending really hurt... but dks got theirs increased which is nice I guess.

idk

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Kill stuff faster and your sustain increases.

Repent provides enough stam per corpse. The real issue is it has the only sustain that depends on what others of the same class do with repent.

Kill a boss that has 90 million health faster? Is that really what you are saying?

Clearly not in the context of even what OP has mentioned nor has it worked like that ever. OP is not asking for a complete redesign from anything this skill has ever been or even close to it.

So if somehow increasing the amount of stam the stamplar receives when using repent to consume the corpse of a boss after it dies solves the sustain issue during the boss fight as you seem to think then lets make this happen. That is what OP has suggested after all.

So most bosses have adds and you can repentance them but they are can be few and far between and the problem is exacerbated by having more stamplar/tankplars/ bad healers in your group, as you mentioned in your comment. Outside the 4% cost reduction and repentance, stamplars have nothing else to help with Stam return. Stamplars need something. And saying "kill things faster" is not helping.

I am very well aware of how many boss fights go as well as how a stamplar plays.

However, it is incorrect to say that is the only source for a stamplars sustain.

Just a quick video I grabbed, but on 3m dummy without shards nor anything to repent this guy seemed to make it fine. With shards/orbs I bet he can make it through an entire boss fight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfsOV4M7YsA

Edit: added the video.

templesus

The most obvious sustain buff for stamplar is to change repentance to giving minor staminasteal, like radiant aura gives magicka steal.

usmguy1234

templesus wrote: »

The most obvious sustain buff for stamplar is to change repentance to giving minor staminasteal, like radiant aura gives magicka steal.

Could add it to ritual of retribution...damage + stamina steal per enemy in the radius. Bringing back the templar "house" brick by brick.

idk

templesus wrote: »

The most obvious sustain buff for stamplar is to change repentance to giving minor staminasteal, like radiant aura gives magicka steal.

Would you be willing to drop the cost reduction found in many stam skills to gain this stamina steal? That is what would probably give. Stam has cost reduction not found with magicka. One must consider the whole picture because Zos just might give you what you ask for in a way that makes sense.

What_In_Tarnation

idk wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Kill stuff faster and your sustain increases.

Repent provides enough stam per corpse. The real issue is it has the only sustain that depends on what others of the same class do with repent.

Kill a boss that has 90 million health faster? Is that really what you are saying?

Clearly not in the context of even what OP has mentioned nor has it worked like that ever. OP is not asking for a complete redesign from anything this skill has ever been or even close to it.

So if somehow increasing the amount of stam the stamplar receives when using repent to consume the corpse of a boss after it dies solves the sustain issue during the boss fight as you seem to think then lets make this happen. That is what OP has suggested after all.

So most bosses have adds and you can repentance them but they are can be few and far between and the problem is exacerbated by having more stamplar/tankplars/ bad healers in your group, as you mentioned in your comment. Outside the 4% cost reduction and repentance, stamplars have nothing else to help with Stam return. Stamplars need something. And saying "kill things faster" is not helping.

I am very well aware of how many boss fights go as well as how a stamplar plays.

However, it is incorrect to say that is the only source for a stamplars sustain.

Just a quick video I grabbed, but on 3m dummy without shards nor anything to repent this guy seemed to make it fine. With shards/orbs I bet he can make it through an entire boss fight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfsOV4M7YsA

Edit: added the video.

10.1k hp


with really high stam regen cause of



I'm thinking, even with dubious camoran throne(or that new bugged artaeum legenday drink), he will needs some heavy attack for sustain on 6m dummy tho. And in dungeons/trials, some of enchantments need to be max hp glyphs cause of that sustain drink, so the overall stam resource will lower than it should be.

Out of topic here, I think stam sorc could use some sustain buff as well (PvE)

DanteYoda

usmguy1234 wrote: »

DanteYoda wrote: »

How about ignore all the stupid specialty crap and give Templars a damn damage boost...

I'm guessing magplar bc stamplar has some sick burst. If we had a decent sustain tool we could easily compete with stamward and stamnb in pvp anyways.

I bet that sick burst is all to do with dual wield and epic gear.. Because Templar as a whole is just sick..