Animation cancelling on ps4

Gulnagel

So I'm on my magical nightblade coming from sorcerer and I don't know the LA-weaving feels buggy, strife doesent always fire and merciless resolve bow proc feels off.

How do I animationcancell best? Just mash R2 and then press skill as soon as I see fireball go off. Because trying to time it in this buggy state is horrible and it's puting me of magblade a bit.

How do you other magblade do on console?

jcm2606

DanteYoda wrote: »

All this is determined by fps and ping..

As an Australian i cannot weave at all, the game at 250-300+ ping just will not allow animation canceling and weaving skills do not go off, you must press the mouse buttons continually to get a response from the game..

At 300+ ping i cannot even get my 5 skills to go off evenly, usually my 3rd skill gets a cooldown, but no skill goes off.. Every single time.

Funnily all this happened when summerset arrived with the insane light attack and heavy attack stupidity.

From the little you've said op do you have high ping because i get issues you get.. Also Sorcerer has the easiest time on weaving other classes do not..

As another fellow Australian, it's just a matter of finding what speed you're comfortable with, and practicing. Yes, at 250-300 ping animation cancelling is more challenging. You do have to slow down, otherwise your inputs won't go through. Weaving and animation cancelling does "feel" different with different weapons/skills.

All you need to do to animation cancel at 250-300 ping is simply practice. Whenever you're fighting, practice weaving. Start off slow, light attack, pause, pause, pause, skill. Get used to that motion. Then when you're used to it, speed it up a bit. Light attack, pause, pause, skill. Speed it up even more. Light attack, pause, skill. Continue speeding it up until you find the point where your inputs start to be dropped, then slow it down a tad. Find that spot where you're weaving as fast as possible, and your inputs are still going through. Once you've found that spot, practice weaving at that speed. You want it to be muscle memory, you want it to be second nature.

Once you learn how to do it, you can get to the point where you're animation cancelling and weaving quick enough so that the animations aren't even playing. Even at 250-300 ping. When I bar swap cancel Hurricane and Crit Surge on my Stamina Sorc, the animations barely show. When I light attack weave into Poison Injection, the recovery animation of the light attack doesn't even show. Even at 350-400 ping, I can still animation cancel somewhat comfortably. I can, because I learned around 300-350 ping.

Trust me, it is literally just about finding what speed you're comfortable with, and practicing at that speed. I'm now 2 years into the game, and I only got the hang of animation cancelling a year in. Before then I had tried it with various characters, both magicka and stamina, and while I could do it, it required active thought to keep doing it and it felt really uncomfortable.

I first got the hang of bar swap cancelling, and in my opinion this is the easiest to do. You just hit your ability, then immediately follow up with a bar swap, and the bar swap should cancel the tail end of the ability's animation. I started doing it on all my characters, and not long after it became second nature. I then tried light attack weaving, and while I could do it, it just felt uncomfortable, and required active thought to maintain the rhythm. Often I'd give up and just start spamming my abilities in some haphazard rotation. But after a while it just clicked. It actually clicked on a stamina DPS, the one class and role that I found the most challenging.

It'll feel really awkward and uncomfortable at first, but after a while you'll get used to it, then you won't be able to stop doing it.

EDIT: Thought I recognised your name. I linked a video of me animation cancelling at roughly 260-280 ping in another thread months ago.

Kel

The best way I can describe it is like a heartbeat....

So, LA-Skill....LA-next skill, and so on...

Boom/boom...boom/boom...


It sounds ridiculous, but it helps me light attack weave.

exeeter702

Light attack weaving is not animation canceling.

MrBlack23

Animation canceling is blocking or bar swapping at the perfect moment to cancel the animation. Weaving is weaving.

Pink_Violinz

Try slowing it down a little. A lot of people (like myself) get so caught up in the speed we can skip skills or light attacks. Magblade is an absolute pain to get the hang of, since you have to be on top of the timing.

kadar

exeeter702 wrote: »

Light attack weaving is not animation canceling.

Done properly you are literally cancelling the animation of the light attack with an ability. So technically weaving is a form of AC.

blunned

exeeter702 wrote: »

Light attack weaving is not animation canceling.

Light attack weaving uses animation canceling. The age old “is a square a rectangle” debate. Light attack weaving IS animation cancelling (so your statement is wrong). Animation cancelling is not necessarily light attack weaving (ie they aren’t synonymous but one is a version of the other). Have a nice day.

exeeter702

The_Outsider wrote: »

exeeter702 wrote: »

Light attack weaving is not animation canceling.

Done properly you are literally cancelling the animation of the light attack with an ability. So technically weaving is a form of AC.

blunned wrote: »

exeeter702 wrote: »

Light attack weaving is not animation canceling.

Light attack weaving uses animation canceling. The age old “is a square a rectangle” debate. Light attack weaving IS animation cancelling (so your statement is wrong). Animation cancelling is not necessarily light attack weaving (ie they aren’t synonymous but one is a version of the other). Have a nice day.

Technically it is since you are cutting off the recovery animation of a skill with a subsequent light attack. Im not going to argue semantics.

The point is, when the contentious subject of whether or not animation canceling should be a thing, the majority do not refer to light attack weaving. They refer to the act of using block, bar swap and bash to cut off the recovery animations of instant cast skills.

I also felt the need to stress this distinction because light attack weaving is specifically designed in game to function just as it does, whereas the benefits of "animation canceling" (again the act of using bar swap block etc to cut off the recovery animations of skills) are almost completely negligible to an actual dps rotation depsite popular beliefs on the contrary.

The op should have simply asked how to better perform light attack weaving. Light attack weaving and using defensive off GCD actions such as block or barswap are completely different things and using a blanket term like animation canceling to conflate the 2 is disingenuous at best especially with ridiculous misconspections that accompany "animation canceling" discussions.

kadar

exeeter702 wrote: »

The_Outsider wrote: »

exeeter702 wrote: »

Light attack weaving is not animation canceling.

Done properly you are literally cancelling the animation of the light attack with an ability. So technically weaving is a form of AC.

blunned wrote: »

exeeter702 wrote: »

Light attack weaving is not animation canceling.

Light attack weaving uses animation canceling. The age old “is a square a rectangle” debate. Light attack weaving IS animation cancelling (so your statement is wrong). Animation cancelling is not necessarily light attack weaving (ie they aren’t synonymous but one is a version of the other). Have a nice day.

Technically it is since you are cutting off the recovery animation of a skill with a subsequent light attack. Im not going to argue semantics.

The point is, when the contentious subject of whether or not animation canceling should be a thing, the majority do not refer to light attack weaving. They refer to the act of using block, bar swap and bash to cut off the recovery animations of instant cast skills.

I also felt the need to stress this distinction because light attack weaving is specifically designed in game to function just as it does, whereas the benefits of "animation canceling" (again the act of using bar swap block etc to cut off the recovery animations of skills) are almost completely negligible to an actual dps rotation depsite popular beliefs on the contrary.

The op should have simply asked how to better perform light attack weaving. Light attack weaving and using defensive off GCD actions such as block or barswap are completely different things and using a blanket term like animation canceling to conflate the 2 is disingenuous at best especially with ridiculous misconspections that accompany "animation canceling" discussions.

Ya it's entirely an issue of terminology.

The whole combat system is basically one cohesive unit and IMO, AC should be called something more accurate like Animation Priority. Each type of combat action you can perform is given a priority: some actions override ("cancel") the others. Light/Heavy attacks are the lowest priority, followed by abilities. Abilities are more powerful and were coded to be responsive. They will interrupt the more basic LA/HA once per Global Cooldown (0.9 seconds). Block, roll, and weapon swap have an even higher animation priority than abilities for the same reason-- a responsive, reactive combat system. It was by design that when you press block it almost immediately happens-- that defensive action has priority over whatever else you were doing.

^It's all a system of priorities. This is why it's weird to me when people try to separate weaving from this other separate bad thing they like to call "AC."

Super thread derail, but... ya.

DanteYoda

All this is determined by fps and ping..

As an Australian i cannot weave at all, the game at 250-300+ ping just will not allow animation canceling and weaving skills do not go off, you must press the mouse buttons continually to get a response from the game..

At 300+ ping i cannot even get my 5 skills to go off evenly, usually my 3rd skill gets a cooldown, but no skill goes off.. Every single time.

Funnily all this happened when summerset arrived with the insane light attack and heavy attack stupidity.

From the little you've said op do you have high ping because i get issues you get.. Also Sorcerer has the easiest time on weaving other classes do not..