Why Is mother sorrow so popular?

happyhughes2001

Hi all,

Why is mother sorrow so popular? Is it worth farming the sets and weapons to sell?

Any guidance on price to sell pieces at?

Thanks

griffkhalifa

Well I know for magsorc's it's popular because they heal based on how many times they crit, so more crit = more self heals. And the obvious factor that more crit = more damage.

TheCyberDruid

Probably this vid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xspGLdka4A

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

happyhughes2001 wrote: »

Hi all,

Why is mother sorrow so popular? Is it worth farming the sets and weapons to sell?

Any guidance on price to sell pieces at?

Thanks

https://us.tamrieltradecentre.com/pc/Trade/Search

Sparr0w

As CP increases you can put more points into crit damage, mine sits around 90% extra damage per crit so obviously I want to get my crit chance as high as possible.

Plus with Siroria giving 600 spell damage you don't need to run another damage set.

starkerealm

Prior to the last patch, a lot of magicka builds ran Mechanical Acuity to force their characters to crit on command. The patch chanced MA to require that you deal direct damage (so, things like liquid lightning won't cause MA to proc). In the absence of that, some builds needed a replacement set, and Mothers' Sorrow is pure spell crit chance, so it became the somewhat obvious replacement.

Someone influential, probably @Alcast, called for it in a build (he' listed it as an alternative for awhile), and suddenly there's a goldrush as people chase Mother's Sorrow pieces.

Enemy-of-Coldharbour

Blame Alcast.

f047ys3v3n

griffkhalifa wrote: »

Well I know for magsorc's it's popular because they heal based on how many times they crit, so more crit = more self heals. And the obvious factor that more crit = more damage.

That is what I see it as good for.

Crit, as far as damage actually goes is pretty third rate since it needs a lot of group support with warhorns and such to match simple + magica or + spell damage bonuses but, by triggering the primary heal on a sorc, going heavy into it can greatly impact a Sorcs survivability at a relatively small DPS cost especially in a good group.

Alcast also said some nice things about it so everbody be chasing that.

Lastly, any set that only focuses on one thing is quite useful for players looking to go a specific direction with a build. Few sets really allow this, especially for magica builds, but being able to go hard in just one direction with a build allows you to realize benefits from specialization that you cannot when you have balanced sources of damage. With MS this benefit is slotting a minor force ability which does not really get you anywhere when not specialized but makes sense when you are.

Kagukan

And now with this post it will probably become even more popular.

idk

The set is pretty good for classes that have passives granting additional crit bonus damage. Less attractive for the classes that do not.

Essentially it really needs the passives NBs and templars have plus a good uptime for WH to really shine. However, I expect some will equip it just because they think the more crit the better but that is not really the case.

happyhughes2001

Thank you all for the info. I just assumed that since last patch more people were going for higher magic instead of crit.

Definitely worth putting some set pieces and weapon pieces on the market then.

I’m on Xbox one so can’t use the trade centre add on.

Thanks again for the detailed responses.

WrathOfInnos

A few factors combined this patch to make Sorrow more useful than it was previously:

- Siroria was introduced, is BiS for most Mag DPS builds, and gives plenty of spell damage but no spell crit
- Mechanical acuity was nerfed, removing the main source of crit most builds used last patch, and the reason people avoided stacking Spell Crit last patch
- Magblades are currently top Mag DPS, and with their Crit damage passive they require high crit chance to maximize DPS (Magplars do too, but they are weaker and less common)
- Acceleration skill was added, giving 10% more crit damage to Mag DPS builds, which again requires high crit chance to fully utilize

Edit: Also the addition of Jorvuld’s in Dragon Bones allowed for better Major Force uptime from warhorn, again increasing crit damage and making high crit chance more desirable

All of these reasons are also why the Thief Mundus is being used again.

sevomd69

Crit is boss in PVE...

KraziJoe

Because someone ran some numbers and found this is the best! THen prices went up and then when people find out that yeah, its the best but other setups are almost as good, the price comes down...So, if you are selling, ride the wave while you can!

mikemacon

Crit.

Full stop.

LiquidPony

f047ys3v3n wrote: »

griffkhalifa wrote: »

Well I know for magsorc's it's popular because they heal based on how many times they crit, so more crit = more self heals. And the obvious factor that more crit = more damage.

That is what I see it as good for.

Crit, as far as damage actually goes is pretty third rate since it needs a lot of group support with warhorns and such to match simple + magica or + spell damage bonuses but, by triggering the primary heal on a sorc, going heavy into it can greatly impact a Sorcs survivability at a relatively small DPS cost especially in a good group.

Alcast also said some nice things about it so everbody be chasing that.

Lastly, any set that only focuses on one thing is quite useful for players looking to go a specific direction with a build. Few sets really allow this, especially for magica builds, but being able to go hard in just one direction with a build allows you to realize benefits from specialization that you cannot when you have balanced sources of damage. With MS this benefit is slotting a minor force ability which does not really get you anywhere when not specialized but makes sense when you are.

I wish there was a "disagree" button on these forums, because this ...

Crit, as far as damage actually goes is pretty third rate

... is incredibly misleading if just shy of flat-out wrong.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

It’s BIS for essentially ever magic PVE DPS spec, mostly because it seems to work well on only one bar. It allows for a 5/5/2 setup with a back bar VMA staff. Mechanical Acuity was preciously used in this manner by just about every build so ZOS nerfed it out of existence.

In PC/NA, purple jewelry can fetch around 15k, good trait armor (divines small, infused big) can fetch a bit more, and inferno staffs can fetch 80-100k in bad traits and upwards of 400k if you find an infused one. Chest farming in deshaan is def profitable. Don’t ignore the plague doctor you find either.

Mystrius_Archaion

LiquidPony wrote: »

f047ys3v3n wrote: »

griffkhalifa wrote: »

Well I know for magsorc's it's popular because they heal based on how many times they crit, so more crit = more self heals. And the obvious factor that more crit = more damage.

That is what I see it as good for.

Crit, as far as damage actually goes is pretty third rate since it needs a lot of group support with warhorns and such to match simple + magica or + spell damage bonuses but, by triggering the primary heal on a sorc, going heavy into it can greatly impact a Sorcs survivability at a relatively small DPS cost especially in a good group.

Alcast also said some nice things about it so everbody be chasing that.

Lastly, any set that only focuses on one thing is quite useful for players looking to go a specific direction with a build. Few sets really allow this, especially for magica builds, but being able to go hard in just one direction with a build allows you to realize benefits from specialization that you cannot when you have balanced sources of damage. With MS this benefit is slotting a minor force ability which does not really get you anywhere when not specialized but makes sense when you are.

I wish there was a "disagree" button on these forums, because this ...

Crit, as far as damage actually goes is pretty third rate

... is incredibly misleading if just shy of flat-out wrong.

Yep. It's hard to find anything else that adds an easy 50% bonus damage, multiplying all your max magicka and spell damage bonus damage.

Runefang

Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »

Blame Alcast.

While Alcast does have MS on a lot of builds there were others who found other that front-barred MS out does other sets first. Front-barred BSW does virtually the same dummy DPS though, but in a trial MS will pull ahead since major force is available.