4.1.0 What do you think BiS will be with the changes to DW Infused Weapons?

MashmalloMan

Just interested in what people think would be the new best in slot following this fix. For the longest time it was both weapons sharpened until they cut those bonuses in half, then it became mainhand infused and offhand precise, now its mainhand nirnhoned and offhand infused(because the CD still worked on the mainhand poison enchant with this bug).

So with these changes I feel like the infused 2sec cd for the poison enchant is still the most important thing to focus on meaning infused mainhand. For offhand the only options are sharpened vs precise. Sharpened is really weak and gives you the issue of providing only half the trait so when you go on back bar you have an odd number when you use your bow which would either provide too much penetration sharpened or none at all.

Nirnhoned is not a valid option for offhand because you get next to no benefit. (Not obvious to everyone)

This is speaking from a pve dps perspective.

Patch Notes for 4.1.0

Item Traits:
Infused (Weapon): Fixed an issue where the cooldown reduction was applying to both of your Weapon Enchantments if you were dual wielding.

commdt

Marshall1289 wrote: »

Just interested in what people think would be the new best in slot following this fix. For the longest time it was both weapons sharpened until they cut those bonuses in half, then it became mainhand infused and offhand precise, now its mainhand nirnhoned and offhand infused(because the CD still worked on the mainhand poison enchant with this bug).

So with these changes I feel like the infused 2sec cd for the poison enchant is still the most important thing to focus on meaning infused mainhand. For offhand the only options are sharpened vs precise. Sharpened is really weak and gives you the issue of providing only half the trait so when you go on back bar you have an odd number when you use your bow which would either provide too much penetration sharpened or none at all.

Nirnhoned is not a valid option for offhand because you get next to no benefit. (Not obvious to everyone)

This is speaking from a pve dps perspective.

Patch Notes for 4.1.0

Item Traits:
Infused (Weapon): Fixed an issue where the cooldown reduction was applying to both of your Weapon Enchantments if you were dual wielding.

BiS will always be Nirn poison enchant mainhand, infused WD offhand and alchemical poison back bar. It has nothing to do with that glitch, it's just as follows:
- Infused WD offhand because WD is very strong and mandatory, infused buffs not only its value, but also uptime. And it is put in offhand because offhand would be ineffective with nirn, while MH is fully effective
- Alchemical poison back bar because alchemical poison gives the most DPS, more than any enchants, and you can put nirn trait here. Keep in mind though, that alchemical poisons from different players do not stack, so it may be far less effective in stamina raid
- Nirn mainhand because nirn is very strong and takes full effect in MH, poison enchant here is because its just better than nothing. You can not put alchemical poison on mainbar, else WD enchant would not work, so you place some filler like poison enchant. Yes it is now buffed by your infused offhand, but it is not and never was any significant

for comparison with 2-H you use infused WD back bar and alchemical poison/poison enchant Nirn main bar, without any glithes

So after the update you'll lose some minimal numbers on your poison enchant, but this setup will still be BiS

Gprime31

There might be some confusion on this... I used wd on main nirn and shock infused offhand. With the wd counter addon it is not 100% uptime on both weapons. Some one got ther facts wrong. Surprise.

Gprime31

And nirnhoned was never a valid option for offhand. Only mainhand.

Gprime31

And tried multi configs in pvp and pve. Still not 100% uptime on both

MashmalloMan

Gprime31 wrote: »

There might be some confusion on this... I used wd on main nirn and shock infused offhand. With the wd counter addon it is not 100% uptime on both weapons. Some one got ther facts wrong. Surprise.

I think your confused. The reason you used a poison enchant ALWAYS on mainhand is so that you can proc the enchantment using weapon skills like endless hail. If you use it offhand it only procs on light/heavy attacks. The WD enchant only procs on light/heavy attacks anyway so you should use it offhand with poison mainhand or in your case lightning mainhand.

The infused trait cuts the cd in half for the enchants. WD has a reg CD of 10 seconds so it was cut in half to 5 seconds and even on offhand it was affecting the mainhand poison enchant CD from 4 seconds to 2. It never meant it would have 100% uptime on WD because you need to proc it with a weave OFF CD which is after the 5sec duration. You can get from 65-80% uptime on average.

Anyway you didn't answer the question at all.

I stand by thinking Infused Poison mainhand and Precise WD offhand is BiS.

Edit: I don't know what to think anymore after some tests on the PTS.

WrathOfInnos

What about double infused?

MashmalloMan

Well I guess you can think of it in multiple ways.

I think Nirnhoned mainhand poison with Infused offhand WD would provide the most weapon DMG thus the most DMG accross your abilities for AoE potential.

Maybe best single target would be double infused. Poison main and WD off.

Avran_Sylt

My guess:
Infused - Offhand (WD enchant)
Nirnhorned - Mainhand

Against Daedra
Infused - Offhand (WD enchant)
Infused - Mainhand (Prismatic Onslaught)

Kram8ion

Now I’m totally infused/confused

ezio45

new bis, unsub from + and break your disc cuz the game wont even be working at that point