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Werewolf pvp builds for upcoming patch
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Qbiken✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Well, first you need to decide if you wanna go with a more burst oriented playstyle or a "permawolf" playstyle, because the choice of gear and playstyle are very different.
"30 Second burst wolf"
Alcast´s "Rage" setup is a good example of a "30 Second burst wolf" build. You buff up in human form, turn into werewolf to take down tankier targets and once your "human buffs" runs out you go out of werewolf-form. With this playstyle you don´t wanna stay to long in werewolf form since you don´t have the means to stay alive by yourself unless you´ve a pocket healer with you. This playstyle is in general more "beginner-friendly"
https://alcasthq.com/eso-stamina-sorcerer-werewolf-build-pvp/
If you want to go for this playstyle, you don´t have to make any bigger changes to your werewolf next patch.
"Permawolf"
Compared to the burst-wolf playstyle you´ve to build your werewolf a bit different. The goal with this playstyle is to stay in WW-form for longer periods of time without having to turn back to human form more than necessary. These builds often sacrifice a lot of their "human potential" but in return they become really good once transformed. Usually more difficult to execute compared to the "burst wolf" but much more rewarding once you get the hang of it (just my personal opinion). You also have to make sure to cover "necessary" buffs on your own since you can´t always rely on other to provide that for you (if you play solo that is)
So with Wolfhunter you don´t have to utilize Pelinial anymore. However this means that if you want to get a powerful heal, you´ll have to increase your max health quite a bit. So when in comes to choice of gear you want to take a look at sets that offers any kind of health bonuses. While the heal will scale of max heath, I suspect it will still cost magicka. Therefore magicka recovery will become an important stat. Since you´ll be "forced" to spec more into health to get decent use out of the heal, your max stamina and weapon damage will most likely become lower than before. But you never needed 6k weapon damage to be effective as a werewolf anyway.
So with that in mind what sets are interesting to look at next patch?
If you´re interesting in discussing these kind of topics I highly recommend writing in this thread:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/393796/werewolf-theorycrafting-pvp/p1
But in general you want to go for a tankier approach with more focus on sustain and stats rather than going for high weapon-damage. I also highly recommend running werewolf in a group (preferable with 3-4 other werewolfs). While it is possible to solo and 1vX as a werewolf it´s not something I recommend doing if you´re un-experienced with werewolfs. Werewolfs shine the most in small groups with support from healers and other werewolfs.6 -
Qbiken✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I also want to add that when it comes to werewolfs there´s no such thing as a "best in slot" setup. It all comes down to your preferable playstyle and what you want to achieve.2 -
Takes-No-Prisoner✭✭✭✭✭
✭"Permawolf"
There is a guy on my server, Burrito_Bandito I believe his name is, his DK WW build is really awesome to watch. Follows a lot of the same mentality Qbiken mentioned for permawolfing. It's always amazing to see how long this guy can stick around and kill people in his WW form.
WW is going to be super interesting come next patch.
My question would be, which class should I run WW for, for PvP?0 -
Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »"Permawolf"
There is a guy on my server, Burrito_Bandito I believe his name is, his DK WW build is really awesome to watch. Follows a lot of the same mentality Qbiken mentioned for permawolfing. It's always amazing to see how long this guy can stick around and kill people in his WW form.
WW is going to be super interesting come next patch.
My question would be, which class should I run WW for, for PvP?
Typically sorc is the best as it has the most passives that affect WW while being in WW form.
Plus things like hurricane in WW hit really hard.
@Qbiken has great advice there.1 -
Amdar_Godkiller✭✭✭✭✭Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »"Permawolf"
There is a guy on my server, Burrito_Bandito I believe his name is, his DK WW build is really awesome to watch. Follows a lot of the same mentality Qbiken mentioned for permawolfing. It's always amazing to see how long this guy can stick around and kill people in his WW form.
WW is going to be super interesting come next patch.
My question would be, which class should I run WW for, for PvP?
The class that has 15% snare immunity, 10% more health when they use a healing ability, and easy access to major heroism. With major heroism alone, you will be able to sustain wolf form most of the time. Just tease the guards at resources with your shimmering shield while spamming your netch and you will generate about 6 ultimate per second.
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Koolio✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »"Permawolf"
There is a guy on my server, Burrito_Bandito I believe his name is, his DK WW build is really awesome to watch. Follows a lot of the same mentality Qbiken mentioned for permawolfing. It's always amazing to see how long this guy can stick around and kill people in his WW form.
WW is going to be super interesting come next patch.
My question would be, which class should I run WW for, for PvP?
Lol it’s my build he uses.1 -
IlCanis_LupuslI✭✭✭✭✭@Qbiken spot on! Running solo as a werewolf is possible but requires at least a 1 year of werewolf experience, and much better in small-scale groups, and but while running in such a fine balance between mitigation, the sustain(as much as possible,) a bit more then you feel necessary and min 4k wd with continuous.
Set wise expecially next patch there is free range.
I'm a nb permawolf myself P. S. CATALYST IS AWESOMEEdited by IlCanis_LupuslI on July 12, 2018 6:15PM
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Khajiit Night blade Healer(BiS for cuteness)-Flawless Conquerer Grand Overlord
Khajiit Stamsorc Werewolf, Flawless Conquerer (1st attempt ww form during the entire dungeon) main
Khajiit(Master Race) Templar Healer, Flawless Conquerer
Khajiit Stam dk, Flawless conquerer, 2nd attempt
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQhCmVHwZioVyTEDberxGtA?view_as=public
Werewolf Veteran player, Since Wrathstone-DLC "Raid-Wolf", 50k dps with fracture, Pvp Healer.0 -
Amdar_Godkiller✭✭✭✭✭AS far as what builds will be best next patch, my personal opinion is that Mag recovery will be even more important next patch, so Prisoner's Rags will definitely be at or near the top of the list of best WW sets, and the Troll King will be by far the best option among all monster sets. The third set should either be a damage set or a max health set to buff your heal. Seventh Legion, Ravager, Bone Pirate, Hulking, Clever Alchemist, etc. All would be reasonable options depending on your class and build.3
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IlCanis_LupuslI✭✭✭✭✭@Amdar_Godkiller I personally advice against TK, Chudan way better for ww imo to catapult you above armor cap. With defiled everywhere TK becomes pointless since it's effect can be countered easily
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Khajiit Night blade Healer(BiS for cuteness)-Flawless Conquerer Grand Overlord
Khajiit Stamsorc Werewolf, Flawless Conquerer (1st attempt ww form during the entire dungeon) main
Khajiit(Master Race) Templar Healer, Flawless Conquerer
Khajiit Stam dk, Flawless conquerer, 2nd attempt
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQhCmVHwZioVyTEDberxGtA?view_as=public
Werewolf Veteran player, Since Wrathstone-DLC "Raid-Wolf", 50k dps with fracture, Pvp Healer.1 -
Takes-No-Prisoner✭✭✭✭✭
✭Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »"Permawolf"
There is a guy on my server, Burrito_Bandito I believe his name is, his DK WW build is really awesome to watch. Follows a lot of the same mentality Qbiken mentioned for permawolfing. It's always amazing to see how long this guy can stick around and kill people in his WW form.
WW is going to be super interesting come next patch.
My question would be, which class should I run WW for, for PvP?
Lol it’s my build he uses.
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Koolio✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »"Permawolf"
There is a guy on my server, Burrito_Bandito I believe his name is, his DK WW build is really awesome to watch. Follows a lot of the same mentality Qbiken mentioned for permawolfing. It's always amazing to see how long this guy can stick around and kill people in his WW form.
WW is going to be super interesting come next patch.
My question would be, which class should I run WW for, for PvP?
Lol it’s my build he uses.
Not quite sure what that means lol.0 -
Koolio✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »It means post your build
Since it’s changing so muc next patch sure. Couple of things are different because of jewelry trait change.
He runs Argo DK
I run Orc Sorc
Seventh Legion 3 Jewelry 2 Body
Pelinial
Bogdan With Claws of Life
DW Axes infused off hand with WD main Nirn with Stam Regen glyph
All weapon damage jewelry glyphs
2 Swift 1 Stam (was 2 healthy and blue Stam ring)
He like serpent Mundus I go thief
All tri Glyphs
Back bar Maelstrom Battle Axe
32 Blessed
56 Master
56 Mighty
1900 Pen
14% crit Damage
13% Thaum
Dubious Cameron
I don’t know if he runs 5-1-1 Heavy
I run 5-2 Heavy/medium.
Here’s one of his videos since you like to watch.
https://youtu.be/GFHJoOEk4OI Edited by Koolio on July 12, 2018 8:35PM2 -
Amdar_Godkiller✭✭✭✭✭Mangeli200194 wrote: »@Amdar_Godkiller I personally advice against TK, Chudan way better for ww imo to catapult you above armor cap. With defiled everywhere TK becomes pointless since it's effect can be countered easily
I don't ever really notice that much of a difference with chudan. It's an option, but honestly it's more useful when in human form than in wolf form, and in human form, most builds are already going to have access to major resolve and major ward.
With troll king, you're giving yourself a second source of "healing", so while it can be countered, it's still pretty useful most of the time.
Also, we should be able to purge now that we can use synergies, so defile isn't as deadly on WW as it once was.1 -
Takes-No-Prisoner✭✭✭✭✭
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Drogskol_Capn
I'm primarily on Yellow, but I have made a few toons on Blue.0 -
Koolio✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »
Drogskol_Capn
I'm primarily on Yellow, but I have made a few toons on Blue.
I’ve seen you around. I’m Fatfltblklazpig.
If you need some pointers lmk.1 -
Torbschka✭✭✭✭I actually never did play we before the last week and just used my regular stam warden build with it and its super fun. Well, it seems that I automatically did run good sets for ww without having a clue lol.
I do run:
5x 7th
5x clever alch
1x Agility
2x TK
Well, usually I kited and waited till DB, popped potion and go ham, now I do the same but going into we. I guess im a mix between the two since I could stay longer im ww , but usually after my ca rns out I go human - I do have 300 ulti easily until next Option though..0 -
Datolite✭✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »"Permawolf"
There is a guy on my server, Burrito_Bandito I believe his name is, his DK WW build is really awesome to watch. Follows a lot of the same mentality Qbiken mentioned for permawolfing. It's always amazing to see how long this guy can stick around and kill people in his WW form.
WW is going to be super interesting come next patch.
My question would be, which class should I run WW for, for PvP?
Typically sorc is the best as it has the most passives that affect WW while being in WW form.
Plus things like hurricane in WW hit really hard.
@Qbiken has great advice there.
I made a templar recently to make use of the Pelinals builds, but now I have a sinking feeling that it's gonna be useless now...0 -
Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭datoliteb16_ESO wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »"Permawolf"
There is a guy on my server, Burrito_Bandito I believe his name is, his DK WW build is really awesome to watch. Follows a lot of the same mentality Qbiken mentioned for permawolfing. It's always amazing to see how long this guy can stick around and kill people in his WW form.
WW is going to be super interesting come next patch.
My question would be, which class should I run WW for, for PvP?
Typically sorc is the best as it has the most passives that affect WW while being in WW form.
Plus things like hurricane in WW hit really hard.
@Qbiken has great advice there.
I made a templar recently to make use of the Pelinals builds, but now I have a sinking feeling that it's gonna be useless now...
Actually it's not that bad at all
Templar gets 6% won dmg sorc gets 5% more damage
Templar and Sorc both have cost reduction and ult gain (though sorc slightly better)
Temp get some spell resistance and Sorc gets implosion
So while sorc is usually chosen first, Templar isn't something to throw away1 -
technohic✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Im hoping to run the new Cyrodiils crest on my stamplar to get some defile going on werewolf.0 -
Adenoma✭✭✭✭✭
✭I feel like next patch ww builds will need to stack a bit of health and the strongest are going to be stamsorcs. Implosion is so good with all the bleed pressure.
You just have to make your build plan to stay in wolf all the time in combat, then just charge ult at a resource between fights.
Something like bone pirate with artaeum drink (assuming they get it working - I’ll admit that’s loft), troll king, and fury/seventh will be a strong build, but may lack the magicka sustain for heals. Alternatively, you can run shackle over fury/seventh.Adenoma-Badenoma-Sadenoma0 -
technohic✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I feel like next patch ww builds will need to stack a bit of health and the strongest are going to be stamsorcs. Implosion is so good with all the bleed pressure.
You just have to make your build plan to stay in wolf all the time in combat, then just charge ult at a resource between fights.
Something like bone pirate with artaeum drink (assuming they get it working - I’ll admit that’s loft), troll king, and fury/seventh will be a strong build, but may lack the magicka sustain for heals. Alternatively, you can run shackle over fury/seventh.
Troll king and 7th will make for a decent healing return to compliment the heal. Throw in a lingering health potion and healing wont be an issue.0 -
Adenoma✭✭✭✭✭
✭@technohic , I’ve not been a huge fan of 7th lately. The heal isn’t nearly as strong now. I’ve also noticed worse uptime in 1vX and I’m a bigger fan of fury/veiled heritance. In WW with bleeds you’ll have zero problems keeping heritance uptime bear 100%.Adenoma-Badenoma-Sadenoma0 -
Chrlynsch✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Monsterous Thirst update:
Argonian Templar
2 Kena
5 Desert Rose
5 Clever Alchemist w/potion cooldown
S&B/2 hander
CP
16K Magicka
31k Health
38k stamina
5200 Weapon damage in wolf using SB
36k spell resist 30k physical
Great sustain, good damage, good survival.
May try SB/DW. Will have to see how my cleanse spam keeps up with snares while in human form.
Caius
Pack Leader of Scourge Alliance- First Fang of Hircine, The Beast of Bruma
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technohic✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭@technohic , I’ve not been a huge fan of 7th lately. The heal isn’t nearly as strong now. I’ve also noticed worse uptime in 1vX and I’m a bigger fan of fury/veiled heritance. In WW with bleeds you’ll have zero problems keeping heritance uptime bear 100%.
Hmm You're probably right there. Been running it on other builds and it hasnt been reliable. Was thinking of ways to not want to run the extra healing on claws to go for the defile in stead. Hopefully, the new heal scaling makes it better and lingering pots with TK will be enough.0 -
Qbiken✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Monsterous Thirst update:
Argonian Templar
2 Kena
5 Desert Rose
5 Clever Alchemist w/potion cooldown
S&B/2 hander
CP
16K Magicka
31k Health
38k stamina
5200 Weapon damage in wolf using SB
36k spell resist 30k physical
Great sustain, good damage, good survival.
May try SB/DW. Will have to see how my cleanse spam keeps up with snares while in human form.
@Chrlynsch
Argonian master race shines again......0 -
technohic✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Has anyone usedd Prisoners on a stam build? Thinking it could work well with werewolf to get magicka back for the heal. Still a lot of stam sustain0
