Lets talk about Cyrodiils Ward.

NTclaymore

Ward of Cyrodiil: Redesigned this item set.
OLD:
2: Stamina Recovery
3: Mounted Speed
4: Max Health
5: Increase the amount of damage you block by 8%.
NEW:
2: Weapon Damage
3: Stamina Recovery
4: Stamina Recovery
5: When you deal melee damage, you apply Major Defile to the enemy for 4 seconds, reducing their healing received and Health Recovery by 30%. This effect can occur once every 5 seconds.

The problem here is so many people are using Ward of Cyrodiil for the third effect effect. Mounted speed. This can be optained from no other set and with its removial we will lose acces to it.
I was actully supprised to see this set effect missing from the Adept Rider set.
Those who forgot here it is:
Adept Rider
2 – 2975 Spell Resist
3 – 2975 Physical Resist
4 – 1206 Max Health
5 – While mounted, you gain Major Evasion, increasing your dodge chance by 15%. Dismounting spawns a dust cloud at your position for 12 seconds that deals 1436 Physical Damage every 1 second to enemies who stand inside it. You and group members inside the dust cloud gain Major Evasion. The dust cloud can be created once every 12 seconds.

If we are going to change Cyrodiils Ward can we atleast have another set have this effect? I personally have a charrecter that runs with Cyrodiils ward and Jailbreaker to easily get around. We could allso make a completely new set (preferably crafted) that is focused only on movement and not combat?

Please let us have mounted speed D:we gotta go fast!

coplannb16_ESO

it is nothing but a "balance" change aimed at the new battleground map (where you can use mounts).

NTclaymore

so we are to lose that speedboost because they wanted to make a mounted battlegrounds? uggh... Zenimax

Rmmichael95

Sets that are for mounted combat, in a game with no mounted combat, is just silly.

Tetter

This really better not be about the new battleground map.

Silver_Strider

Making Adept Rider give the increased mount speed would make too much sense, just like having all the underutilized and obsolete sets be made to be even semi useful, hence it's not going to happen.

Amdar_Godkiller

That's a huge buff to that set, so I don't think you're going to hear a lot of support. That set was flat out terrible.

Colecovision

Tetter wrote: »

This really better not be about the new battleground map.

Sure, it's just a coincidence that the speed cap came with battlegrounds and the only mounted speed bonus is getting killed when adding riding to battlegrounds.

Fwiw, I had every max riding speed for farming and just for fun. The game couldn't keep up. I was disappointed about losing this bonus until I remembered I can't really use it anyway. There may be some who could, but I asked on the forum and people shared my experience.

Sunday_Samurai

This change was made cause now you can mount in all BGs (to make stamina players not use their stamina to get somewhere), but I still don't agree with taking away Cyrodill's Ward identity. Make it not work in BGs and that's it.

DeadlyRecluse

Removed a flavorful and kinda unique 3 piece bonus that was a nice QOL option, replaced it with another gear-based source of major defile.

Everyone loves major defile, right?

runagate

I was about to comment in the thread I started about this a while back

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/424324/ward-of-cyrodiil-2-unique-effects-stolen-who-wanted-slower-trips-across-cyrodiil#latest

but happened to look at the PTS forum first to see if anyone realized what a terrible, pointless change this is. Apparently so.

Inklings

Why can't we just give the set X2 three set bonus and keep the mounted speed. Would it be that over powered to keep it on the new version?

Those of us who have this set in all golded jewelry with transmuted swift traits on multiple characters are really being screwed out of this very unique set bonus that serves a great purposes for certain situations.

When I was at ZOS studios to beta test summerset they went around the room and asked us issues we had with the game. One of the main focuses of my discussion was the fact that all sets are combat related and ignore other aspects of the game like crafting, fishing or gathering like we seen in other TES game. This set was great for some of those non combat related activities and now it's going away. I'm seriously sad to see this happen.

_Salty_

Another bonehead move that nobody wanted or ever asked about. With zos you can scream at them about bug fixes, endless loading screens, class imbalance and they will turn a deaf ear. Then they will randomly buff or nerf a set or skill for no real good reason.

Beardimus

From a player aide its a pointless, annoying change.

From ZOS side they have a reason. Could be the new BG map. Could be the push towards the new keep transit crystals, could be Cyrodill performance who knows.

But @ZOS_GinaBruno or @ZOS_JessicaFolsom might know or can get Dev comments on the Patch Notes I bet plllllllease.

We want our turbo ponies kept!

runagate

Beardimus wrote: »

From a player aide its a pointless, annoying change.

From ZOS side they have a reason. Could be the new BG map. Could be the push towards the new keep transit crystals, could be Cyrodill performance who knows.

But @ZOS_GinaBruno or @ZOS_JessicaFolsom might know or can get Dev comments on the Patch Notes I bet plllllllease.

We want our turbo ponies kept!

Seriously, this is absurd. Please bring this to the itemization folks' attention.

TheYKcid

Agreed, I quickswap to 3pc Cyro's Ward on all my toons, it really helps with those long horse simulator rides across Cyro.

And I mean ALL my toons—I even have a lowbie set! It's indispensably useful for grinding a new toon, which involves a great amount of overland travel when gathering shards/lorebooks, which is dreadful on a new horse that's slow to begin with.

Just put it on the damn Adept Rider set already! It's clearly a utility set aimed at mount travel in the first place, so dropping one of the combat bonuses would be a non-issue.

And being crafted means it'll be accessible to everyone. And goodness knows that faster mount travel is something everyone could use in this game.

Beardimus

TheYKcid wrote: »

Agreed, I quickswap to 3pc Cyro's Ward on all my toons, it really helps with those long horse simulator rides across Cyro.

And I mean ALL my toons—I even have a lowbie set! It's indispensably useful for grinding a new toon, which involves a great amount of overland travel when gathering shards/lorebooks, which is dreadful on a new horse that's slow to begin with.

Just put it on the damn Adept Rider set already! It's clearly a utility set aimed at mount travel in the first place, so dropping one of the combat bonuses would be a non-issue.

And being crafted means it'll be accessible to everyone. And goodness knows that faster mount travel is something everyone could use in this game.

Agreed. They have their reason, at least of we knew why ot was done it might shed some light.

cazlonb16_ESO

The removal of the mount speed is probably a good idea to prevent issues further down the line and yes, that includes the bg map.

TheYKcid wrote: »

Agreed, I quickswap to 3pc Cyro's Ward on all my toons, it really helps with those long horse simulator rides across Cyro.

And I mean ALL my toons

You clearly do not play a Templar then, they are stuck in combat all the time and can't mount anyway.

Adding yet another set with Major Defile on demand and potentially 80% uptime while nerfing Defile on abilities seems...let's call it counter-intuitive though ? Go proc set meta !

TheYKcid

cazlonb16_ESO wrote: »

The removal of the mount speed is probably a good idea to prevent issues further down the line and yes, that includes the bg map.

Gonna have to disagree on this one (hear me out!).

When I say "quickswap" I refer to the use of a wardrobe addon (in my case, Dressing Room) to conveniently equip 3 pieces of Cyro's Ward while out of combat and riding someplace far away.

This is really only a feasible option when riding through a large, empty area where you can reasonably expect to encounter no combat. On the off-chance you do get ganked while doing this, you're basically screwed—since you've substituted the last 3 bonuses from one of your 5pc sets (or some other combination thereof) for the measly 129 stamregen + mount speed of the Ward set.

Utilising this feature in a BG would be absolute SUICIDE, as you're often pushed into combat right out of the respawn area, or at the very least along the way to the objective.

It's really only useful for riding long distances—shaving 15% off a 200 second journey is half a minute saved, for instance. But within the small confines of a BG? Not worth the risk of getting caught, pants-down, by a long shot.

Dragonnord

Please do not remove mount speed from the set.
 

Ryanman

I also have 15 characters that are running this
Ring and neck set for the speed boost. Many of them are gold. When you have 15 characters, you must do anything you can to save time. Small delays will add up to a lot of time lost. Now I have to either store all the 45 bound pieces in the hope that they might reverse this change or sell them to the vendor at a fraction of what I paid for them. I can't even break them down in the hopes of getting some legendary materials back down due to the fact that they were aquired prior to Summerset. The developers should be more aware of respecting our time.

Qbiken

NTclaymore wrote: »

so we are to lose that speedboost because they wanted to make a mounted battlegrounds? uggh... Zenimax

ZOS added a speed-cap because of the "Capture the Relic" game mode so it would make sense

Universe

Qbiken wrote: »

NTclaymore wrote: »

so we are to lose that speedboost because they wanted to make a mounted battlegrounds? uggh... Zenimax

ZOS added a speed-cap because of the "Capture the Relic" game mode so it would make sense

With a few lines of code ZOS can disallow the usage of this set's buff in a specific location, such as battlegrounds.
I don't see a reason to completely & globally nerf this set because specific areas of battlegrounds allow the usage of mounts.