Server or cheat?

dtsharples

And obviously its an EP XD Ofc it is.
Definitely an exploit. Clearly not just lag.
The mass of bodies on the floor shows that it isnt just lag.

if at any point you managed to get their name, report them.

Raraaku

ArchMikem wrote: »

Malamar1229 wrote: »

All of you who are experiencing this...are you all on PS4?

Xbox.

Belegnole wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

I saw this happen to us just earlier. We were attacking Arrius when half the players there DCed en mass. Right after that one of the enemy players was attacking us all while completely invisible and untouchable, popping in and out for barely a glimpse. He only became visible when trying to rez a buddy, when we all bombed him.

So, server issues?

I'd say Server. I've never seen hackers, or at least blatant hackers on Console. It looked to me like the game just refused to render the player, which meant none of us could target him but they could still target us.

Wouldn't a render issue only affect the textures, but the outline of the body could still be seen? At least with me that is what happens, I see the characters but they're simply completely black from head to toe with no hair/facial features/armor/clothes/weapons/etc. until a couple of seconds later.

In terms of server lag, that's is some awfully fortunate lag for them to benefit from and still be able to gank players in coordination with each other.

Also, near the one minute mark, from about 00:55-01:00 at .25 speed you'll see that they disappear as soon as the break free from any kind of CC, it's pretty consistent through out the video too. CC --> Break Free --> Flicker out of existence

I'm not incline to think it's lag simply because their skills are executing in real time as their bodies flicker all around. I also think it's interesting in that the disappearing act seems to trigger on a specific action/s, breaking free from CC being one of them.

Aurielle

I’ve seen this happen in dungeons too (PS4). The flickering players weren’t even aware it was happening. I doubt it’s an exploit; the game has been running like garbage on console since Summerset, so we’ll just have to wait for the patch that is supposedly coming this week.

Aurielle

Raraaku wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Malamar1229 wrote: »

All of you who are experiencing this...are you all on PS4?

Xbox.

Belegnole wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

I saw this happen to us just earlier. We were attacking Arrius when half the players there DCed en mass. Right after that one of the enemy players was attacking us all while completely invisible and untouchable, popping in and out for barely a glimpse. He only became visible when trying to rez a buddy, when we all bombed him.

So, server issues?

I'd say Server. I've never seen hackers, or at least blatant hackers on Console. It looked to me like the game just refused to render the player, which meant none of us could target him but they could still target us.

Wouldn't a render issue only affect the textures, but the outline of the body could still be seen? At least with me that is what happens, I see the characters but they're simply completely black from head to toe with no hair/facial features/armor/clothes/weapons/etc. until a couple of seconds later.

In terms of server lag, that's is some awfully fortunate lag for them to benefit from and still be able to gank players in coordination with each other.

Also, near the one minute mark, from about 00:55-01:00 at .25 speed you'll see that they disappear as soon as the break free from any kind of CC, it's pretty consistent through out the video too. CC --> Break Free --> Flicker out of existence

I'm not incline to think it's lag simply because their skills are executing in real time as their bodies flicker all around. I also think it's interesting in that the disappearing act seems to trigger on a specific action/s, breaking free from CC being one of them.

This game is buggy as hell. As I mentioned above, I’ve seen people flickering in and out in dungeons. They did not see anything different on their screens. People who go completely invisible (no flickering) also are not aware that they are invisible. It has happened to me MANY times. I’ve even fought an invisible boss before:



I highly doubt the boss was purposely exploiting.

Eirella

I see that happening in PVE a lot, I think it''s some kind of rendering issue, not a cheat or anything.

cbaudersub17_ESO

Yeah, right. Clearly a rendering issue amazingly, but coincidently, isolated to members of the same faction pawning everyone they encounter.

Shadowmaster

LegendaryMage wrote: »

What the hell is going on with this game, it just keeps getting worse & worse.

With no responses from the Dev team.

@ZOS_GinaBruno are there ever going to be some dev statements around some of this stuff?

Shadowmaster

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

WOW. Everyone's a nightblade now. And that lag looks maddening. I think its time to take a deep look at why anyone who loves PvP gives this game any time anymore.

Its simply disgusting how we are treated. But with so much forum censorship it's really hard to get a movement going to force ZOS to address the PvP community formally instead of just zoning us out.

QFT

Sad news is we have been complaining about performance since 1.3

Sad truth is we are still complaining.

Aurielle

cbaudersub17_ESO wrote: »

Yeah, right. Clearly a rendering issue amazingly, but coincidently, isolated to members of the same faction pawning everyone they encounter.

It could have been happening to AD as well, with the EP players suspecting the exact same thing... the invisibility bugs affect people differently. I ran vVoM on my healer just then; I couldn’t see one of the damage dealers, but could see everyone else. The damage dealer couldn’t see the tank, but could see everyone else. Don’t just scream “exploit!” without knowing for sure, especially given just how poor performance on console is at the moment.

Raraaku

Aurielle wrote: »

Raraaku wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Malamar1229 wrote: »

All of you who are experiencing this...are you all on PS4?

Xbox.

Belegnole wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

I saw this happen to us just earlier. We were attacking Arrius when half the players there DCed en mass. Right after that one of the enemy players was attacking us all while completely invisible and untouchable, popping in and out for barely a glimpse. He only became visible when trying to rez a buddy, when we all bombed him.

So, server issues?

I'd say Server. I've never seen hackers, or at least blatant hackers on Console. It looked to me like the game just refused to render the player, which meant none of us could target him but they could still target us.

Wouldn't a render issue only affect the textures, but the outline of the body could still be seen? At least with me that is what happens, I see the characters but they're simply completely black from head to toe with no hair/facial features/armor/clothes/weapons/etc. until a couple of seconds later.

In terms of server lag, that's is some awfully fortunate lag for them to benefit from and still be able to gank players in coordination with each other.

Also, near the one minute mark, from about 00:55-01:00 at .25 speed you'll see that they disappear as soon as the break free from any kind of CC, it's pretty consistent through out the video too. CC --> Break Free --> Flicker out of existence

I'm not incline to think it's lag simply because their skills are executing in real time as their bodies flicker all around. I also think it's interesting in that the disappearing act seems to trigger on a specific action/s, breaking free from CC being one of them.

This game is buggy as hell. As I mentioned above, I’ve seen people flickering in and out in dungeons. They did not see anything different on their screens. People who go completely invisible (no flickering) also are not aware that they are invisible. It has happened to me MANY times. I’ve even fought an invisible boss before:



I highly doubt the boss was purposely exploiting.

While humorous, the boss could also still be targeted and combat could still be continued in your instance. As soon as the the player flickers, it is as if they are not on the server. They can't be targeted, they cannot be followed i.e. if you pass over their location with the cursor they're names do not appear while in that state. It could very well be lag, but in your instances could you still tell a player was there when you had your cursor on them or could you still target them with friendly heals? If so, then I'd say this is a different circumstance, as these players cannot bet targeted, nor does it seem that they take any kind of damage while invisible, AoE or otherwise. Even if it were lag, damage calculations and such should still be applied at some point, that doesn't happen at all. They're only taking damage when they are visible. It's one thing to have players as you've stated flicker and be invisible yet the game still interacts as if they're there in terms of combat and being targeted and taking damage. That doesn't seem to be happening here. It could still very well be lag, but it's suspicious enough to warrant ZOS to take a closer look at.

Skoomah

Guys, this is not cheating. It is ZOS's fix for people not being able to see each other. After a while, the server finishes the calculations and people stop blinking and everyone can see each other. Even though it is a megaserver, ESO still puts people into shards, mini instances.

Rohamad_Ali

@ZOS_BrianWheeler @ZOS_GinaBruno

Your PvP game is broken .

Aurielle

Raraaku wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

Raraaku wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Malamar1229 wrote: »

All of you who are experiencing this...are you all on PS4?

Xbox.

Belegnole wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

I saw this happen to us just earlier. We were attacking Arrius when half the players there DCed en mass. Right after that one of the enemy players was attacking us all while completely invisible and untouchable, popping in and out for barely a glimpse. He only became visible when trying to rez a buddy, when we all bombed him.

So, server issues?

I'd say Server. I've never seen hackers, or at least blatant hackers on Console. It looked to me like the game just refused to render the player, which meant none of us could target him but they could still target us.

Wouldn't a render issue only affect the textures, but the outline of the body could still be seen? At least with me that is what happens, I see the characters but they're simply completely black from head to toe with no hair/facial features/armor/clothes/weapons/etc. until a couple of seconds later.

In terms of server lag, that's is some awfully fortunate lag for them to benefit from and still be able to gank players in coordination with each other.

Also, near the one minute mark, from about 00:55-01:00 at .25 speed you'll see that they disappear as soon as the break free from any kind of CC, it's pretty consistent through out the video too. CC --> Break Free --> Flicker out of existence

I'm not incline to think it's lag simply because their skills are executing in real time as their bodies flicker all around. I also think it's interesting in that the disappearing act seems to trigger on a specific action/s, breaking free from CC being one of them.

This game is buggy as hell. As I mentioned above, I’ve seen people flickering in and out in dungeons. They did not see anything different on their screens. People who go completely invisible (no flickering) also are not aware that they are invisible. It has happened to me MANY times. I’ve even fought an invisible boss before:



I highly doubt the boss was purposely exploiting.

While humorous, the boss could also still be targeted and combat could still be continued in your instance. As soon as the the player flickers, it is as if they are not on the server. They can't be targeted, they cannot be followed i.e. if you pass over their location with the cursor they're names do not appear while in that state. It could very well be lag, but in your instances could you still tell a player was there when you had your cursor on them or could you still target them with friendly heals? If so, then I'd say this is a different circumstance, as these players cannot bet targeted, nor does it seem that they take any kind of damage while invisible, AoE or otherwise. Even if it were lag, damage calculations and such should still be applied at some point, that doesn't happen at all. They're only taking damage when they are visible. It's one thing to have players as you've stated flicker and be invisible yet the game still interacts as if they're there in terms of combat and being targeted and taking damage. That doesn't seem to be happening here. It could still very well be lag, but it's suspicious enough to warrant ZOS to take a closer look at.

The boss actually could not be targeted with single target skills. The “target” you’re seeing there is the NPC. The only way we could kill the boss was by laying down ground based AOEs and hoping we dragged it into the line of fire. The tank couldn’t even taunt it.

While there was some AOE damage going on in the video in the OP, most appeared to be trying to use single target skills (so of course more of these would land when the players became visible). I really doubt it’s an exploit.

cbaudersub17_ESO

Aurielle wrote: »

cbaudersub17_ESO wrote: »

Yeah, right. Clearly a rendering issue amazingly, but coincidently, isolated to members of the same faction pawning everyone they encounter.

It could have been happening to AD as well, with the EP players suspecting the exact same thing... the invisibility bugs affect people differently. I ran vVoM on my healer just then; I couldn’t see one of the damage dealers, but could see everyone else. The damage dealer couldn’t see the tank, but could see everyone else. Don’t just scream “exploit!” without knowing for sure, especially given just how poor performance on console is at the moment.

Well, 'okay' then. Maybe the player just needed to reset their router. Clearly, this is EXACTLY like the anecdote you describe.

There's no doubt lag exist on all platforms, and it is an issue. But, lag isn't the boogeyman explanation for everything that happens in the PvP environment.

The cause doesn’t really matter as much as identifying an issue that should be fixed. How about ZOS look into it and let them decide?

Aurielle

cbaudersub17_ESO wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

cbaudersub17_ESO wrote: »

Yeah, right. Clearly a rendering issue amazingly, but coincidently, isolated to members of the same faction pawning everyone they encounter.

It could have been happening to AD as well, with the EP players suspecting the exact same thing... the invisibility bugs affect people differently. I ran vVoM on my healer just then; I couldn’t see one of the damage dealers, but could see everyone else. The damage dealer couldn’t see the tank, but could see everyone else. Don’t just scream “exploit!” without knowing for sure, especially given just how poor performance on console is at the moment.

Well, 'okay' then. Maybe the player just needed to reset their router. Clearly, this is EXACTLY like the anecdote you describe.

There's no doubt lag exist on all platforms, and it is an issue. But, lag isn't the boogeyman explanation for everything that happens in the PvP environment.

The cause doesn’t really matter as much as identifying an issue that should be fixed. How about ZOS look into it and let them decide?

How's about you take your own advice? You seem pretty sure it's an exploit. The OP is on console; if they were on PC, I'd be more likely to suspect hacks and exploits. As a console player, I can tell you that Cyrodiil is pretty much broken right now.

I took this video yesterday at about 1pm EST (hardly prime time). I had to overlay a crappy YouTube audio sound track as there were some rather, ah, salty comments in voice chat.



My favourite bit is the phantom DK chain at 0:11, with no DK to be seen. Haxxorz!

Abysswarrior45

I've come across this every single time I'm online. The blinking in your video is not a cheat, but its definitely a rendering bug either caused by invis pots or something else entirely. Really aggravating. That was present before Dragon Bones, but since Summerset it seems to have reappeared and it's a lot more frequent now. PS4 NA.

BuddyAces

Haven't watched the video but could this be along the same lines of doing a random and having that one person invisible to you, forcing you to travel to that player to be able to see em again?

cbaudersub17_ESO

Aurielle wrote: »

cbaudersub17_ESO wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

cbaudersub17_ESO wrote: »

Yeah, right. Clearly a rendering issue amazingly, but coincidently, isolated to members of the same faction pawning everyone they encounter.

It could have been happening to AD as well, with the EP players suspecting the exact same thing... the invisibility bugs affect people differently. I ran vVoM on my healer just then; I couldn’t see one of the damage dealers, but could see everyone else. The damage dealer couldn’t see the tank, but could see everyone else. Don’t just scream “exploit!” without knowing for sure, especially given just how poor performance on console is at the moment.

Well, 'okay' then. Maybe the player just needed to reset their router. Clearly, this is EXACTLY like the anecdote you describe.

There's no doubt lag exist on all platforms, and it is an issue. But, lag isn't the boogeyman explanation for everything that happens in the PvP environment.

The cause doesn’t really matter as much as identifying an issue that should be fixed. How about ZOS look into it and let them decide?

How's about you take your own advice? You seem pretty sure it's an exploit. The OP is on console; if they were on PC, I'd be more likely to suspect hacks and exploits. As a console player, I can tell you that Cyrodiil is pretty much broken right now.

I took this video yesterday at about 1pm EST (hardly prime time). I had to overlay a crappy YouTube audio sound track as there were some rather, ah, salty comments in voice chat.



My favourite bit is the phantom DK chain at 0:11, with no DK to be seen. Haxxorz!

What do you care what anyone thinks, and what does posting unrelated happenstances compared to the posted video prove?

Are you seriously against ZOS looking into something like this regardless of how it exactly happened?

P.S. I didn't offer advice.

Aurielle

cbaudersub17_ESO wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

cbaudersub17_ESO wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

cbaudersub17_ESO wrote: »

Yeah, right. Clearly a rendering issue amazingly, but coincidently, isolated to members of the same faction pawning everyone they encounter.

It could have been happening to AD as well, with the EP players suspecting the exact same thing... the invisibility bugs affect people differently. I ran vVoM on my healer just then; I couldn’t see one of the damage dealers, but could see everyone else. The damage dealer couldn’t see the tank, but could see everyone else. Don’t just scream “exploit!” without knowing for sure, especially given just how poor performance on console is at the moment.

Well, 'okay' then. Maybe the player just needed to reset their router. Clearly, this is EXACTLY like the anecdote you describe.

There's no doubt lag exist on all platforms, and it is an issue. But, lag isn't the boogeyman explanation for everything that happens in the PvP environment.

The cause doesn’t really matter as much as identifying an issue that should be fixed. How about ZOS look into it and let them decide?

How's about you take your own advice? You seem pretty sure it's an exploit. The OP is on console; if they were on PC, I'd be more likely to suspect hacks and exploits. As a console player, I can tell you that Cyrodiil is pretty much broken right now.

I took this video yesterday at about 1pm EST (hardly prime time). I had to overlay a crappy YouTube audio sound track as there were some rather, ah, salty comments in voice chat.



My favourite bit is the phantom DK chain at 0:11, with no DK to be seen. Haxxorz!

What do you care what anyone thinks, and what does posting unrelated happenstances compared to the posted video prove?

Are you seriously against ZOS looking into something like this regardless of how it exactly happened?

P.S. I didn't offer advice.

You did: “How about ZOS look into it and let them decide?” You essentially suggested that instead of insisting that it’s likely related to the ongoing performance issues, I should “let ZOS decide,” while at the same time dismissing the idea that it’s related to performance issues.

I’m not against ZOS looking into the problem; what I am against is the tendency people have to scream “exploit” whenever something weird happens in PVP. So many people, for instance, are accused of using “macros” and “exploiting animation cancelling” when server lag results in someone dying to multiple skills in one second. Fact is, performance In Cyrodiil is the worst it has been in a long time. Instead of just straight up assuming that players are hacking and exploiting, perhaps entertain the thought that the well-documented performance issues are to blame.

Kel

Aurielle wrote: »

cbaudersub17_ESO wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

cbaudersub17_ESO wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

cbaudersub17_ESO wrote: »

Yeah, right. Clearly a rendering issue amazingly, but coincidently, isolated to members of the same faction pawning everyone they encounter.

It could have been happening to AD as well, with the EP players suspecting the exact same thing... the invisibility bugs affect people differently. I ran vVoM on my healer just then; I couldn’t see one of the damage dealers, but could see everyone else. The damage dealer couldn’t see the tank, but could see everyone else. Don’t just scream “exploit!” without knowing for sure, especially given just how poor performance on console is at the moment.

Well, 'okay' then. Maybe the player just needed to reset their router. Clearly, this is EXACTLY like the anecdote you describe.

There's no doubt lag exist on all platforms, and it is an issue. But, lag isn't the boogeyman explanation for everything that happens in the PvP environment.

The cause doesn’t really matter as much as identifying an issue that should be fixed. How about ZOS look into it and let them decide?

How's about you take your own advice? You seem pretty sure it's an exploit. The OP is on console; if they were on PC, I'd be more likely to suspect hacks and exploits. As a console player, I can tell you that Cyrodiil is pretty much broken right now.

I took this video yesterday at about 1pm EST (hardly prime time). I had to overlay a crappy YouTube audio sound track as there were some rather, ah, salty comments in voice chat.



My favourite bit is the phantom DK chain at 0:11, with no DK to be seen. Haxxorz!

What do you care what anyone thinks, and what does posting unrelated happenstances compared to the posted video prove?

Are you seriously against ZOS looking into something like this regardless of how it exactly happened?

P.S. I didn't offer advice.

You did: “How about ZOS look into it and let them decide?” You essentially suggested that instead of insisting that it’s likely related to the ongoing performance issues, I should “let ZOS decide,” while at the same time dismissing the idea that it’s related to performance issues.

I’m not against ZOS looking into the problem; what I am against is the tendency people have to scream “exploit” whenever something weird happens in PVP. So many people, for instance, are accused of using “macros” and “exploiting animation cancelling” when server lag results in someone dying to multiple skills in one second. Fact is, performance In Cyrodiil is the worst it has been in a long time. Instead of just straight up assuming that players are hacking and exploiting, perhaps entertain the thought that the well-documented performance issues are to blame.

I'm only asking if it was a cheat because these players are racking up major kills without taking damage themselves. If it was happening on both sides, for instance, they would reasonably be taking damage as well. That's clearly not happening.

I'd like to believe it's a server issue, but I'm seeing lots of bots as well on ps4. (Not saying it's the same thing...just an example of something thought impossible on console) And while difficult to cheat, not impossible.
One of these players (who I won't name) is a Youtuber, so I'm hoping this really isn't foul play, as this player is already talented enough not to need to resort to this kind of thing, but you never know.
I've definitely never seen this before, I have no idea what it is, so I thought I'd ask a broader amount of more knowledgeable and experienced players.

cbaudersub17_ESO

Aurielle wrote: »

cbaudersub17_ESO wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

cbaudersub17_ESO wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

cbaudersub17_ESO wrote: »

Yeah, right. Clearly a rendering issue amazingly, but coincidently, isolated to members of the same faction pawning everyone they encounter.

It could have been happening to AD as well, with the EP players suspecting the exact same thing... the invisibility bugs affect people differently. I ran vVoM on my healer just then; I couldn’t see one of the damage dealers, but could see everyone else. The damage dealer couldn’t see the tank, but could see everyone else. Don’t just scream “exploit!” without knowing for sure, especially given just how poor performance on console is at the moment.

Well, 'okay' then. Maybe the player just needed to reset their router. Clearly, this is EXACTLY like the anecdote you describe.

There's no doubt lag exist on all platforms, and it is an issue. But, lag isn't the boogeyman explanation for everything that happens in the PvP environment.

The cause doesn’t really matter as much as identifying an issue that should be fixed. How about ZOS look into it and let them decide?

How's about you take your own advice? You seem pretty sure it's an exploit. The OP is on console; if they were on PC, I'd be more likely to suspect hacks and exploits. As a console player, I can tell you that Cyrodiil is pretty much broken right now.

I took this video yesterday at about 1pm EST (hardly prime time). I had to overlay a crappy YouTube audio sound track as there were some rather, ah, salty comments in voice chat.



My favourite bit is the phantom DK chain at 0:11, with no DK to be seen. Haxxorz!

What do you care what anyone thinks, and what does posting unrelated happenstances compared to the posted video prove?

Are you seriously against ZOS looking into something like this regardless of how it exactly happened?

P.S. I didn't offer advice.

You did: “How about ZOS look into it and let them decide?” You essentially suggested that instead of insisting that it’s likely related to the ongoing performance issues, I should “let ZOS decide,” while at the same time dismissing the idea that it’s related to performance issues.

I’m not against ZOS looking into the problem; what I am against is the tendency people have to scream “exploit” whenever something weird happens in PVP. So many people, for instance, are accused of using “macros” and “exploiting animation cancelling” when server lag results in someone dying to multiple skills in one second. Fact is, performance In Cyrodiil is the worst it has been in a long time. Instead of just straight up assuming that players are hacking and exploiting, perhaps entertain the thought that the well-documented performance issues are to blame.

You should just let this one go, kiddo. That's advice.

Here, I am actually going to type the word 'exploit' for the FIRST TIME just so you have the slightest justification to lump me in with those screaming it.

If you're mad because I think there is more than enough there to think something other than lag, too bad.

ak_pvp

Its a server bug. Seen it happen before. Both sides, just, disappear.

Hammy01

OP, You did not mention which server you play on but I play on Xbox EU and I saw this a few times tonight as well. I just chalked it up to the server being a real piece of crud today!

Edit - After reading through the rest of the comments I am gathering you are on PS4... however my point still stands, this is happening on Xbox as well.

Aurielle

cbaudersub17_ESO wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

cbaudersub17_ESO wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

cbaudersub17_ESO wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

cbaudersub17_ESO wrote: »

Yeah, right. Clearly a rendering issue amazingly, but coincidently, isolated to members of the same faction pawning everyone they encounter.

It could have been happening to AD as well, with the EP players suspecting the exact same thing... the invisibility bugs affect people differently. I ran vVoM on my healer just then; I couldn’t see one of the damage dealers, but could see everyone else. The damage dealer couldn’t see the tank, but could see everyone else. Don’t just scream “exploit!” without knowing for sure, especially given just how poor performance on console is at the moment.

Well, 'okay' then. Maybe the player just needed to reset their router. Clearly, this is EXACTLY like the anecdote you describe.

There's no doubt lag exist on all platforms, and it is an issue. But, lag isn't the boogeyman explanation for everything that happens in the PvP environment.

The cause doesn’t really matter as much as identifying an issue that should be fixed. How about ZOS look into it and let them decide?

How's about you take your own advice? You seem pretty sure it's an exploit. The OP is on console; if they were on PC, I'd be more likely to suspect hacks and exploits. As a console player, I can tell you that Cyrodiil is pretty much broken right now.

I took this video yesterday at about 1pm EST (hardly prime time). I had to overlay a crappy YouTube audio sound track as there were some rather, ah, salty comments in voice chat.



My favourite bit is the phantom DK chain at 0:11, with no DK to be seen. Haxxorz!

What do you care what anyone thinks, and what does posting unrelated happenstances compared to the posted video prove?

Are you seriously against ZOS looking into something like this regardless of how it exactly happened?

P.S. I didn't offer advice.

You did: “How about ZOS look into it and let them decide?” You essentially suggested that instead of insisting that it’s likely related to the ongoing performance issues, I should “let ZOS decide,” while at the same time dismissing the idea that it’s related to performance issues.

I’m not against ZOS looking into the problem; what I am against is the tendency people have to scream “exploit” whenever something weird happens in PVP. So many people, for instance, are accused of using “macros” and “exploiting animation cancelling” when server lag results in someone dying to multiple skills in one second. Fact is, performance In Cyrodiil is the worst it has been in a long time. Instead of just straight up assuming that players are hacking and exploiting, perhaps entertain the thought that the well-documented performance issues are to blame.

You should just let this one go, kiddo. That's advice.

Here, I am actually going to type the word 'exploit' for the FIRST TIME just so you have the slightest justification to lump me in with those screaming it.

If you're mad because I think there is more than enough there to think something other than lag, too bad.

I’m not mad — just a little frustrated with the sarcastic tone you’ve taken when dismissing the highly likely possibility that this is a performance-related issue, and the fact that you’re implying that there’s foul play at work in the OP’s video without a shred of evidence to support that implication. As others have said in this thread, players flickering in and out of view — and even disappearing entirely — is happening in PVP and PVE, and players have no idea it’s even happening until it’s pointed out to them.

The game is highly unstable at the moment on console. Forgive me for giving these players the benefit of the doubt.

OGLezard

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

@ZOS_BrianWheeler @ZOS_GinaBruno

Your PvP game is broken .

Their give a damn is busted too sadly

Aurielle

jabrone77 wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

cbaudersub17_ESO wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

cbaudersub17_ESO wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

cbaudersub17_ESO wrote: »

Yeah, right. Clearly a rendering issue amazingly, but coincidently, isolated to members of the same faction pawning everyone they encounter.

It could have been happening to AD as well, with the EP players suspecting the exact same thing... the invisibility bugs affect people differently. I ran vVoM on my healer just then; I couldn’t see one of the damage dealers, but could see everyone else. The damage dealer couldn’t see the tank, but could see everyone else. Don’t just scream “exploit!” without knowing for sure, especially given just how poor performance on console is at the moment.

Well, 'okay' then. Maybe the player just needed to reset their router. Clearly, this is EXACTLY like the anecdote you describe.

There's no doubt lag exist on all platforms, and it is an issue. But, lag isn't the boogeyman explanation for everything that happens in the PvP environment.

The cause doesn’t really matter as much as identifying an issue that should be fixed. How about ZOS look into it and let them decide?

How's about you take your own advice? You seem pretty sure it's an exploit. The OP is on console; if they were on PC, I'd be more likely to suspect hacks and exploits. As a console player, I can tell you that Cyrodiil is pretty much broken right now.

I took this video yesterday at about 1pm EST (hardly prime time). I had to overlay a crappy YouTube audio sound track as there were some rather, ah, salty comments in voice chat.



My favourite bit is the phantom DK chain at 0:11, with no DK to be seen. Haxxorz!

What do you care what anyone thinks, and what does posting unrelated happenstances compared to the posted video prove?

Are you seriously against ZOS looking into something like this regardless of how it exactly happened?

P.S. I didn't offer advice.

You did: “How about ZOS look into it and let them decide?” You essentially suggested that instead of insisting that it’s likely related to the ongoing performance issues, I should “let ZOS decide,” while at the same time dismissing the idea that it’s related to performance issues.

I’m not against ZOS looking into the problem; what I am against is the tendency people have to scream “exploit” whenever something weird happens in PVP. So many people, for instance, are accused of using “macros” and “exploiting animation cancelling” when server lag results in someone dying to multiple skills in one second. Fact is, performance In Cyrodiil is the worst it has been in a long time. Instead of just straight up assuming that players are hacking and exploiting, perhaps entertain the thought that the well-documented performance issues are to blame.

I'm only asking if it was a cheat because these players are racking up major kills without taking damage themselves. If it was happening on both sides, for instance, they would reasonably be taking damage as well. That's clearly not happening.

I'd like to believe it's a server issue, but I'm seeing lots of bots as well on ps4. (Not saying it's the same thing...just an example of something thought impossible on console) And while difficult to cheat, not impossible.
One of these players (who I won't name) is a Youtuber, so I'm hoping this really isn't foul play, as this player is already talented enough not to need to resort to this kind of thing, but you never know.
I've definitely never seen this before, I have no idea what it is, so I thought I'd ask a broader amount of more knowledgeable and experienced players.

Well, it’s possible that you guys weren’t invisible on the other side’s screens. Also, you might have been the only one seeing what you recorded. The fact that the other team wasn’t dying or taking much damage could easily be coincidental; it’s not unusual for well-coordinated groups to dominate a fight without taking much damage.

One thing that’s clear about the invisibility issue is that it’s not always consistent. As I mentioned earlier, I ran a dungeon earlier today in which I couldn’t see one of the damage dealers, and that damage dealer couldn’t see the tank. The two other players in the group could see everyone. We each had a different experience regarding player visibility. Also, I’ve seen the intermittent flickering issue that your video demonstrates in dungeons before. It’s a rare issue, mind you, but each time I’ve seen it happen, the players who were flickering in and out claimed they had no idea it was happening when I pointed it out to them.

colossalvoids

Pc EU here. Same thing tonight with zero lag, no siege even. 2 dc players was blinking on and off and tried to kill a big group of people in already captured outpost. We were unable to target them but one blink I putted a mark on dk but mark blinked with him not all the time, it was visible mostly. We saw all the attacks, abilities used and was able to damage while person was on the screen. It looked like they was not on server side but some actions or server side calculations was affecting their appearance. And it definitely was not looking like a lag or smth but as a planned and coordinated issue. I remember a lot of cases of invisibility in eso due to lags but it was a really different experience.

Diminish

No cheats here. Just the fantastic state of Cyrodiil since Summerset on PS4. Nothing to see here, and ZoS obviously doesn't give a ****!

Diminish

jabrone77 wrote: »

I'd like to believe it's a server issue, but I'm seeing lots of bots as well on ps4. (Not saying it's the same thing...just an example of something thought impossible on console)

With $60 you can run bots on console. It isn't hard. There are "certain tools" which I will not name that are readily purchasable, and that anyone with a 4th grade education can figure out how to use. Actual in-game exploits on console would only be possible if someone actually found a bug in ESO that allowed for said outcome to occur. Not impossible, but typically pretty unlikely. Nobody is "hacking" the game on either console and running unsigned code or anything. This is an obvious issue with the Summerset update. Just like the rest of the mess that is Cyrodiil right now.

Castiel_Silvermist

This happened to me and my friends in Imperial City a few months back. We were on our EP toons, and this AD was hunting us. we couldn't touch them, they blinked in and out like in this video. Must be some kind of cheat..

-- PC NA