AD players Wall Hacking In Cyrodiil, EU Vivec.

HellionF

The title of this discussion sums up the subject without any real need to elaborate. Instead, the linked YouTube clip will serve as both elaboration and evidence supporting the discussion title. What is perhaps worth discussing however, is what the consequences will be from ZOS, if any at all. The clip itself is only 1:05 min captured using Nvidia's GeForce Experience Instant Replay feature.

For the sake of time association and clarity, these "events" (melodrama) take place at 06:53 GMT on 15-06-2018.

So, as is typical of an early morning in the EU Vivec Campaign AD come in numbers to capture empty keeps, a practice commonly referred to in the community as the Morning Cap. I can only comment on EP zone chat but since it happens across the entirety of the Vivec Map its a safe assumption DC also refer to it as such. In the earliest seconds of the clip you can see that the Inner Keep Door is still currently shut and under siege (0:00 - 0:04). Then at 0:20 two players (@Masterkas + @Tille1964) wall hack through the southern postern door of the keep.

The evidence is clear and concise. If the only outcome of this thread is that ZOS make efforts to address a graphical issue that players are able to exploit then something positive from this can be achieved. I however remain skeptical of ZOS and their lack of effort to address any issue brought to their attention by the players. A digression perhaps for another time, but what of the act of cheating? Asking the question "Is this cheating?" and "If so, what are the consequences?" leads us to a different line of discussion.

Cheating we must all assume is not acceptable, but exploitation is fundamental to TESO.

A character's build is a combination of exploits. You could argue that a successful build comprises of stats, skills and abilities that better your opportunity to exploit the weaknesses of your adversaries, whether PvE or PvP. Exploits that maximize your strengths can be racial preferences, armour types, skill rotations, CP allocation etc... All of this is on some rudimentary level an exploit, since "exploit" means literally "make full use of and derive benefit from (a resource)". This is paramount to TESO.

Cheating however, is when you "exploit" a flaw in the fabric of the game itself. A wall of a keep is a barrier put in place to serve as such, so that individuals can't simply bypass the game's requirement to siege and capture as intended. There is no denying the footage, and any sympathetic support in favour of the above mentioned players is passively in support of cheating and exploitation.

And now, consequence....

The above statement is intended to put ZOS on the spot about whether or not it will allow this kind of exploitation, and what will they do to deter players from exploiting further?! If nothing, then the team at ZOS advocate cognitive dissonance as a platform for gaming, rather than clearly stating what is acceptable and what is not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__Tnm8QkCBs

Sharee

Its a known bug since summerset, postern door appears destroyed to some players, but intact to others.

HellionF

A convenient explanation, even if it were substantiated it's still 2 players exploiting. However, the bug you are referring to doesn't require holding block to work. First sympathizer, won't be the last I'm sure.

Master_Kas

Wallhack

HellionF

Ah, I wondered if and when you'd surface Kas. Colloquialism aside, whether wall hack or bug exploit etc... You did knowingly exploit into the Keep, right?

Master_Kas

HellionF wrote: »

Ah, I wondered if and when you'd surface Kas. Colloquialism aside, whether wall hack or bug exploit etc... You did knowingly exploit into the Keep, right?

Postern looked open to me and the other AD. Was also a red walking in and out. (Funny you did not record that eh?)
So we thought it was breached : O

Nice name and shame tough.

HellionF

The Clip was cropped from a 5min Instant Replay, so there is more footage, showing the wall at 86%. I'm not seeing this red you mentioned, how inconvenient. If needs be i'll upload the whole clip.

If the wall was open to you, then why didn't you just walk in? None of your behaviour in the clip suggests this and does not support your defense. Also, if the wall was open for both yourself and the Sorc player with you, why didn't his pet enter with him?

I don't dispute the bugs in this game, but I'm quite sure a seasoned PvP'er like yourself knows what to exploit and how.

Ackwalan

The longer this bug goes on, the longer ZOS does not respond to it, the more people will take it as permission to cheat.

dtsharples

Doesn't surprise me at all that he's using this most recent exploit. Known exploiter from day one.

And don't play dumb. The door is still visible even when the wall appears down.

WuffyCerulei

Just gonna straight up say, if you're gonna complain and say thay Zos shouldn't be banning people for exploiting bugs that are obviously unintentional, then don't exploit.

SHADOW2KK

Next thing you will say is there are aimbots in ESO.

Oh wait....

xeNNNNN

HellionF wrote: »

A convenient explanation, even if it were substantiated it's still 2 players exploiting. However, the bug you are referring to doesn't require holding block to work. First sympathizer, won't be the last I'm sure.

erm not exactly a "convenient" thing at all, you cant intentionally exploit it. Because you dont know that its not rendered in for others.

Ex: I was going through an outer gate and my friends were going too follow but the gate was stuck on 1% for them and unbreakable while I could walk through and was visually open for me. Same happens with the keep walls and posters and ANY door in cyro since summerset.

That was a day or two after summerset launched.

LarsS

There is two different bugs, one where some cant enter a breached gate. The postern bug is different, door is still up but walls around are down. In this case it should be obvious to everyone that they are cheating if the go in.

White wabbit

Wonder which faction has the most Banned and exports

[Deleted User]

Hello everyone,

This post is to let you know that we've gone ahead and closed this thread. The reason being that it seems to be mostly naming and shaming, which is against the Forum Rules. For further posts please be sure to avoid this kind of content to prevent thread closure and action on one's own account. To report exploitation please do so in a support ticket or directly to a staff member on the forums in a PM.

Thank you for understanding.