How are you sustaining on your MagDK

SmellyUnlimited

I’m still having trouble with resource sustain, even after they updated the Combustion passive. I run Siroria(or BSW) / Mothers Sorrow / Zaan’s, - Dark Elf - Max CP (75 Arcanisr / 49 Tenacity). I have trouble sustaining even on a 3 Mil dummy. (Have tried using whip or elemental weapon, both the same sustain roughly.)

The Combustion passive added a small amount of sustain; much less than I would have assumed. MagDK skills are fairly pricey, and without a reliable way to return resources (Sorc heavy-lightning + Dark Conversion / Siphoning Attacks / Channeled Focus / Netch

How do you guys do it??

*i watch YouTube videos and somehow they sustain, whereas I try the same rotation (applying ele drain myself) and I come up short quite a bit.

Narvuntien

Witchmothers brew.

I have no issues in trials with worms and bubbles thrown at me. Skeleton parses can be a tricky though... you might need a heavy attack.

Oh also in trials the target will be set off balance by your group for free lashes although I have always used whip and can't be bothered resetting the morphs.

I.E skeleton sustain is a lot less than group sustain.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Elf bane. replace mother's sorrow with that. Makes eruption 20 seconds and wall 10. So much more manageable.

Qbiken

Using "Balance" (morph of Equilibrium from mages guild skilline) as a part of my rotation. Cast it right before Burning Embers runs out and the heal from Burning Embers takes me back to full health again.

Xuhora

are you jugging spell power pots like all those guys do on youtube? because that adds a huge part of sustain as long as you have alchemical use skilled in the crafting passives of alchemy

arishok33

Don't use Elf Bane. Not a good set DPS wise.
Use balance like Qbiken wrote. That solves the sustain pretty much.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

arishok33 wrote: »

Don't use Elf Bane. Not a good set DPS wise.
Use balance like Qbiken wrote. That solves the sustain pretty much.

Elf bane works just fine. You get 2 more seconds on standard too you know. You people act like everyone has healers that they can count on and no, it is not always possible to use it just before embers. If anything, this person ought to use the other morph as it provides more sustain.

Sparr0w

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

arishok33 wrote: »

Don't use Elf Bane. Not a good set DPS wise.
Use balance like Qbiken wrote. That solves the sustain pretty much.

Elf bane works just fine. You get 2 more seconds on standard too you know. You people act like everyone has healers that they can count on and no, it is not always possible to use it just before embers. If anything, this person ought to use the other morph as it provides more sustain.

Zaans too

Qbiken

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

arishok33 wrote: »

Don't use Elf Bane. Not a good set DPS wise.
Use balance like Qbiken wrote. That solves the sustain pretty much.

Elf bane works just fine. You get 2 more seconds on standard too you know. You people act like everyone has healers that they can count on and no, it is not always possible to use it just before embers. If anything, this person ought to use the other morph as it provides more sustain.

Yea, either morph works

Reason I´m using Balance is because it fits my rotation very well, and burning embers isn´t the most expensive skill to cast

arishok33

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

arishok33 wrote: »

Don't use Elf Bane. Not a good set DPS wise.
Use balance like Qbiken wrote. That solves the sustain pretty much.

Elf bane works just fine. You get 2 more seconds on standard too you know. You people act like everyone has healers that they can count on and no, it is not always possible to use it just before embers. If anything, this person ought to use the other morph as it provides more sustain.

Doesn't change the fact that Elf Bane is a DPS loss. If thats fine for you then good, but I would never suggest using it.
And if you don't have a healer you can count on then your raidsupport is meh at best anyways, therefore forcing regfood or other unessesary measures to help with sustain.

Sparr0w

arishok33 wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

arishok33 wrote: »

Don't use Elf Bane. Not a good set DPS wise.
Use balance like Qbiken wrote. That solves the sustain pretty much.

Elf bane works just fine. You get 2 more seconds on standard too you know. You people act like everyone has healers that they can count on and no, it is not always possible to use it just before embers. If anything, this person ought to use the other morph as it provides more sustain.

Doesn't change the fact that Elf Bane is a DPS loss. If thats fine for you then good, but I would never suggest using it.
And if you don't have a healer you can count on then your raidsupport is meh at best anyways, therefore forcing regfood or other unessesary measures to help with sustain.

So is fitting another skill into your rotation, using reg food or heavy attacking.

arishok33

Sparr0w wrote: »

arishok33 wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

arishok33 wrote: »

Don't use Elf Bane. Not a good set DPS wise.
Use balance like Qbiken wrote. That solves the sustain pretty much.

Elf bane works just fine. You get 2 more seconds on standard too you know. You people act like everyone has healers that they can count on and no, it is not always possible to use it just before embers. If anything, this person ought to use the other morph as it provides more sustain.

Doesn't change the fact that Elf Bane is a DPS loss. If thats fine for you then good, but I would never suggest using it.
And if you don't have a healer you can count on then your raidsupport is meh at best anyways, therefore forcing regfood or other unessesary measures to help with sustain.

So is fitting another skill into your rotation, using reg food or heavy attacking.

Balance fits perfectly in the rotation without much loss and in a raid with even half decent support you barely have to use it.
Pls show me an actually good parse with elf bane, I'll be amazed.

reprosal

arishok33 wrote: »

Sparr0w wrote: »

arishok33 wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

arishok33 wrote: »

Don't use Elf Bane. Not a good set DPS wise.
Use balance like Qbiken wrote. That solves the sustain pretty much.

Elf bane works just fine. You get 2 more seconds on standard too you know. You people act like everyone has healers that they can count on and no, it is not always possible to use it just before embers. If anything, this person ought to use the other morph as it provides more sustain.

Doesn't change the fact that Elf Bane is a DPS loss. If thats fine for you then good, but I would never suggest using it.
And if you don't have a healer you can count on then your raidsupport is meh at best anyways, therefore forcing regfood or other unessesary measures to help with sustain.

So is fitting another skill into your rotation, using reg food or heavy attacking.

Balance fits perfectly in the rotation without much loss and in a raid with even half decent support you barely have to use it.
Pls show me an actually good parse with elf bane, I'll be amazed.

Just curious what sets you are running and what regular numbers are around. Looking to see what I am looking to shoot for.

arishok33

reprosal wrote: »

arishok33 wrote: »

Sparr0w wrote: »

arishok33 wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

arishok33 wrote: »

Don't use Elf Bane. Not a good set DPS wise.
Use balance like Qbiken wrote. That solves the sustain pretty much.

Elf bane works just fine. You get 2 more seconds on standard too you know. You people act like everyone has healers that they can count on and no, it is not always possible to use it just before embers. If anything, this person ought to use the other morph as it provides more sustain.

Doesn't change the fact that Elf Bane is a DPS loss. If thats fine for you then good, but I would never suggest using it.
And if you don't have a healer you can count on then your raidsupport is meh at best anyways, therefore forcing regfood or other unessesary measures to help with sustain.

So is fitting another skill into your rotation, using reg food or heavy attacking.

Balance fits perfectly in the rotation without much loss and in a raid with even half decent support you barely have to use it.
Pls show me an actually good parse with elf bane, I'll be amazed.

Just curious what sets you are running and what regular numbers are around. Looking to see what I am looking to shoot for.

Siroria+Zaan+Willpower+perfected Asylum Staff.
With bubbles, 48-49k on the 6mio dummy.
For vAS or vCR i swap Siroria for BSW, but not sure if it's that much better, seems similar. With BSW I get about 46k on the dummy.
Elf Bane is around 43k.

hedna123b14_ESO

Elfbane is a TRASH set... anyone that actually bothered to test the set knows this...

arishok33

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Elfbane is a TRASH set... anyone that actually bothered to test the set knows this...

Ty. xD

SmellyUnlimited

arishok33 wrote: »

reprosal wrote: »

arishok33 wrote: »

Sparr0w wrote: »

arishok33 wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

arishok33 wrote: »

Don't use Elf Bane. Not a good set DPS wise.
Use balance like Qbiken wrote. That solves the sustain pretty much.

Elf bane works just fine. You get 2 more seconds on standard too you know. You people act like everyone has healers that they can count on and no, it is not always possible to use it just before embers. If anything, this person ought to use the other morph as it provides more sustain.

Doesn't change the fact that Elf Bane is a DPS loss. If thats fine for you then good, but I would never suggest using it.
And if you don't have a healer you can count on then your raidsupport is meh at best anyways, therefore forcing regfood or other unessesary measures to help with sustain.

So is fitting another skill into your rotation, using reg food or heavy attacking.

Balance fits perfectly in the rotation without much loss and in a raid with even half decent support you barely have to use it.
Pls show me an actually good parse with elf bane, I'll be amazed.

Just curious what sets you are running and what regular numbers are around. Looking to see what I am looking to shoot for.

Siroria+Zaan+Willpower+perfected Asylum Staff.
With bubbles, 48-49k on the 6mio dummy.
For vAS or vCR i swap Siroria for BSW, but not sure if it's that much better, seems similar. With BSW I get about 46k on the dummy.
Elf Bane is around 43k.

@arishok33

So with Asylum are you using a force pulse rotation then? If I read right, would that be 5 Siroria body, willpower jewels, Zaan, Maelstrom inferno/Asylum inferno? And when you switch out Siroria for BSW, just body for body? Do you notice that keeps the combustion passive up about 100%?

I thought using Ele weapon would help with sustain, but doesn’t appear to. And dang is that skill hard to weave. Whip/pulse I can weave fine.

I really want to break 40k with this charade tee, but right now I can barely hit 30.

s7732425ub17_ESO

You cannot sustain by yourself anymore. You must have orbs and ele drain. You never see solo parses on the 6 mil simply because they cannot be sustained.

arishok33

SmellyUnlimited wrote: »

arishok33 wrote: »

reprosal wrote: »

arishok33 wrote: »

Sparr0w wrote: »

arishok33 wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

arishok33 wrote: »

Don't use Elf Bane. Not a good set DPS wise.
Use balance like Qbiken wrote. That solves the sustain pretty much.

Elf bane works just fine. You get 2 more seconds on standard too you know. You people act like everyone has healers that they can count on and no, it is not always possible to use it just before embers. If anything, this person ought to use the other morph as it provides more sustain.

Doesn't change the fact that Elf Bane is a DPS loss. If thats fine for you then good, but I would never suggest using it.
And if you don't have a healer you can count on then your raidsupport is meh at best anyways, therefore forcing regfood or other unessesary measures to help with sustain.

So is fitting another skill into your rotation, using reg food or heavy attacking.

Balance fits perfectly in the rotation without much loss and in a raid with even half decent support you barely have to use it.
Pls show me an actually good parse with elf bane, I'll be amazed.

Just curious what sets you are running and what regular numbers are around. Looking to see what I am looking to shoot for.

Siroria+Zaan+Willpower+perfected Asylum Staff.
With bubbles, 48-49k on the 6mio dummy.
For vAS or vCR i swap Siroria for BSW, but not sure if it's that much better, seems similar. With BSW I get about 46k on the dummy.
Elf Bane is around 43k.

@arishok33

So with Asylum are you using a force pulse rotation then? If I read right, would that be 5 Siroria body, willpower jewels, Zaan, Maelstrom inferno/Asylum inferno? And when you switch out Siroria for BSW, just body for body? Do you notice that keeps the combustion passive up about 100%?

I thought using Ele weapon would help with sustain, but doesn’t appear to. And dang is that skill hard to weave. Whip/pulse I can weave fine.

I really want to break 40k with this charade tee, but right now I can barely hit 30.

You read everything right. With balance and combustion (every second force pulse proccs it) sustain is not an issue.^^
Ele Weapon really isn't that beneficial for the DK.

Septimus_Magna

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Elf bane. replace mother's sorrow with that. Makes eruption 20 seconds and wall 10. So much more manageable.

Does this actually help sustain because you spam whip more per rotation?

GimpyPorcupine

arishok33 wrote: »

Don't use Elf Bane. Not a good set DPS wise.
Use balance like Qbiken wrote. That solves the sustain pretty much.

WTF? Day 1 of summerset drop I transmuted by Elf Bane jewelry to Arcane, it's just fine as a DPS set now.

hedna123b14_ESO

GimpyPorcupine wrote: »

arishok33 wrote: »

Don't use Elf Bane. Not a good set DPS wise.
Use balance like Qbiken wrote. That solves the sustain pretty much.

WTF? Day 1 of summerset drop I transmuted by Elf Bane jewelry to Arcane, it's just fine as a DPS set now.

You can wear seducer as well and it would work...doesnt make it a good set SMH

SmellyUnlimited

I almost thought about integrating Lich in with BSW and a Maelstrom staff, but I know it’d be a dps loss.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Elf bane. replace mother's sorrow with that. Makes eruption 20 seconds and wall 10. So much more manageable.

Does this actually help sustain because you spam whip more per rotation?

Or do another heavy attack. I love it. Most fun I have had on my magdk ever. Now I am not the best DPS. These guys saying anything less then 48k DPS is terribad is crazy to me. You can do all content in the game with 30k dps and comfortably I might add. Of course if you are a dummy hero, anything less then the absolute top 1% is literally the worst.

SmellyUnlimited

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Elf bane. replace mother's sorrow with that. Makes eruption 20 seconds and wall 10. So much more manageable.

Does this actually help sustain because you spam whip more per rotation?

Or do another heavy attack. I love it. Most fun I have had on my magdk ever. Now I am not the best DPS. These guys saying anything less then 48k DPS is terribad is crazy to me. You can do all content in the game with 30k dps and comfortably I might add. Of course if you are a dummy hero, anything less then the absolute top 1% is literally the worst.

Omg this ^^^^^^. I’m in a guild now (that I intend on leaving) where I need to hit 52k on my stamblade to be on their “Main team.” I hit 45k, which isn’t even to their cut off for VET TRIALS. Until I hit 46k, I can’t participate in their vet trials. Never mind the fact that I was in a guild previous to this one, with about 90% of their members, and tanked/dps’d every trial (all crag hm’s, vHoF, vMoL multiple times). Now I’m not good enough to run a standard vet trial......

Partly I blame the meta ***’s out there that fill everyone’s head with parse numbers so much. We’re all so enamored with “dummy parses” despite their incredible unreliability. People build for those dummy parses, but use combinations of abilities and equipment you’d never use in a trial. Yes, Siroria will give the absolute best parse.....except you wouldn’t use ir in VCR, VAS, and likely VHoF with the moving around in there.

Target dummy’s have been blessing and a curse on ESO

Septimus_Magna

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Elf bane. replace mother's sorrow with that. Makes eruption 20 seconds and wall 10. So much more manageable.

Does this actually help sustain because you spam whip more per rotation?

Or do another heavy attack. I love it. Most fun I have had on my magdk ever. Now I am not the best DPS. These guys saying anything less then 48k DPS is terribad is crazy to me. You can do all content in the game with 30k dps and comfortably I might add. Of course if you are a dummy hero, anything less then the absolute top 1% is literally the worst.

I dont care much about dummy parses tbh. The reason why I asked is that Elf Bane doesnt really increase dps on any skill, only zaan and ult dps gets buffed. You do get an additional 2 seconds to whip/heavy attack which would be the cause of a dps/sustain increase.

One heavy attack per rotation should make sustain a lot better but I am not sure its worth it.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

@Septimus_Magna read the title of this thread. This is not about an increase to DPS. It is about sustaining. Elf bane helps with this by either doing more heavys or just not having to reapply the dots so soon, therefore saving magic. Simple. Elf bane has made playing a magdk fun to me. It has given me personally 5k+ DPS because of the extra sustain and ease of the rotation, all the skills line up so much better, mainly eruption and wall, that it just feels better and more enjoyable, I am not constantly watching my magic bar. Do you understand that? I am not sure how much more simple I can make it.

WatchYourSixx

Lol at y'all saying elf bane is trash.

https://m.imgur.com/GgyRnvv

Not mine, but it's pretty damn impressive. The video https://youtu.be/oYpLJlg3zR4

He's using Zaan, elf, and mechanical acuity. Lover, 1 blood, 2 arcane. I'd imagine BSW is a comparable replacement for acuity if you don't like the uncertainty of MA.

He does mention he doesn't think it's BiS, but 47k is still 47k. It also changes the rotation from the very basic one mag DK has had for years with very little change.

Personally I'm in favor of it just because it makes the DK rotation different. But I'm also pretty much sidelining my magDK cuz both my NB consistently do more with less sustain issues.

Also really disappointed ZOS adds built in sustain to our kit, and makes it a joke. It's barely even 80 Magicka per second if you get lucky.

arishok33

WatchYourSixx wrote: »

Lol at y'all saying elf bane is trash.

https://m.imgur.com/GgyRnvv

Not mine, but it's pretty damn impressive. The video https://youtu.be/oYpLJlg3zR4

He's using Zaan, elf, and mechanical acuity. Lover, 1 blood, 2 arcane. I'd imagine BSW is a comparable replacement for acuity if you don't like the uncertainty of MA.

He does mention he doesn't think it's BiS, but 47k is still 47k. It also changes the rotation from the very basic one mag DK has had for years with very little change.

Personally I'm in favor of it just because it makes the DK rotation different. But I'm also pretty much sidelining my magDK cuz both my NB consistently do more with less sustain issues.

Also really disappointed ZOS adds built in sustain to our kit, and makes it a joke. It's barely even 80 Magicka per second if you get lucky.

@WatchYourSixx
47k with lover is just cheese man. Would translate to about 45-44k maybe with apprentice/thief and that's again 2-3k lower than with BSW.

But I'm tired of arguing at this point. Lot of people here not interested to push their deeps the furthest so why bother.
If 30k is enough for you lot then good for you. Use Elf Bane. But don't whine because you can't hit 35k. xD

WatchYourSixx

@arishok33 FWIW, I never said it was BiS. You asked for a good parse, so I showed you one. Would you not agree that if that person went into a trial with that setup, that he'd pull much higher than just 47k? Like c'mon, claiming cheese is such a cop-out. And as to your last comment, if you struggle to hit 30k, it probably wont matter much whether you are wearing elf or BSW or julianos or whatever.

Not really trying to argue or anything, I just figured I'd add a very impressive parse I found a few weeks ago in these very forums, to the discussion. Credit is all to the creator though, I doubt I could ever hit that.

Septimus_Magna

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

@Septimus_Magna read the title of this thread. This is not about an increase to DPS. It is about sustaining. Elf bane helps with this by either doing more heavys or just not having to reapply the dots so soon, therefore saving magic. Simple. Elf bane has made playing a magdk fun to me. It has given me personally 5k+ DPS because of the extra sustain and ease of the rotation, all the skills line up so much better, mainly eruption and wall, that it just feels better and more enjoyable, I am not constantly watching my magic bar. Do you understand that? I am not sure how much more simple I can make it.

If you want sustain just run a sustain set. You want sustain with decent dps so the question is valid in my opinion. Many streamers were having more trouble sustaining with Elf Bane because in the extra 2 seconds they were weaving whips.

To make an objective comparison between sets the rotation should remain the same. Any setup with one heavy attack per rotation would probably have no trouble with sustain.

I agree Elf Bane can be fun to use and fits a magicka DK perfectly but its not fair to say that Elf Bane helps with sustain because you heavy attack more often.