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Assassin's Will Exploit

tyr509
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This player (who has a reputation for exploiting/hacking in the past) is exploiting again. He used an assassin's will from stealth without procing it with light attacks. I looked at my death recap, no light attacks. I also use combat metrics and I looked at my incoming damage, no light attacks. I was alone at a yellow resource (his faction) so he had no way to proc it from other players/npcs. I laid there dead and watched him do the same to another player that rode in less that 30 seconds later. There was no time for him to go find enemies elsewhere to build light attacks and he never light attacked me. I took a screenshot below.
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Edited by ZOS_Lunar on September 14, 2022 5:56PM
  • IZZEFlameLash
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    This game is in serious trouble now. Lol.
    Edited by IZZEFlameLash on June 14, 2018 3:36AM
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  • DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER
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    Troven?
  • Revan1664
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    Yeah happened to me too, a few minutes ago, BRK lumber. This was at a yellow resource, player was also AD, assassins will + impale with 0 light attacks on recap or combat metrics, dead within a second. No time to react. i was on a warden, full cheese, very tanky. I've never had this happen, not even against onslaught builds pre morrowind.
  • Koolio
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    Light attack with mend wounds will proc it. Could be a possibility if he was near ally. Not sure if they can target there own engine Guardian though
    Edited by Koolio on June 14, 2018 4:54AM
  • Qbiken
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    You know the charges of assassin´s will is stored as long as you´re in combat right? So if the nightblade had those saved from earlier (by light attacking other targets such as an NPC/Guard) he/she can use the bow-proc on you without you having a single light attack in your death recap.
  • IZZEFlameLash
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    Qbiken wrote: »
    You know the charges of assassin´s will is stored as long as you´re in combat right? So if the nightblade had those saved from earlier (by light attacking other targets such as an NPC/Guard) he/she can use the bow-proc on you without you having a single light attack in your death recap.

    The thing is, from the description of circumstances, he cannot be in the combat because 1. The resource was already his faction's. No guards to aggro. 2. The recorded attacks are only Soul Harvest + Will. You cannot get Assassin's Will back right after with 0 things to build the proc and cannot last that long in combat when in stealth. He might have found a way to glitch the proc.
    Edited by IZZEFlameLash on June 14, 2018 5:49AM
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  • Thogard
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    Mend wounds makes your light attacks heal.

    He was next to guards.

    You can heal your own team’s guards.
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  • Lichbourne90
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    Thogard wrote: »
    Mend wounds makes your light attacks heal.

    He was next to guards.

    You can heal your own team’s guards.

    If that's the case, can it be ban worthy? I mean u did proc it with light attacks afterall...
  • IZZEFlameLash
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    Thogard wrote: »
    Mend wounds makes your light attacks heal.

    He was next to guards.

    You can heal your own team’s guards.

    ***, I guess I missed that part. Mend Wound thing. In fact, I guess I glossed over Koolio's post.
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  • tyr509
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    Koolio wrote: »
    Light attack with mend wounds will proc it.

    Is this intended? This seems like people are exploiting a broken mechanic in the game. Not that it would be a first or anything...
  • Gilvoth
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    Thogard wrote: »
    Mend wounds makes your light attacks heal.

    He was next to guards.

    You can heal your own team’s guards.

    ***, I guess I missed that part. Mend Wound thing. In fact, I guess I glossed over Koolio's post.

    allot of times peoples posts don't show up for me either, your not alone in that, i reload page and don't see some posts.
    later, i return, and i see i missed a few posts as if it lagged or something.
  • Brutusmax1mus
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    We're you in combat or riding up not in combat. If be healed a friendly npc that was attacking you then that's how it happened.

    It's still not a light attack though. It's not an attack at all. Give it 3 months, maybe a fix will be talked about by then.
  • CatchMeTrolling
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    Doesn’t sound intended but it’s not surprising if it is
  • Thogard
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    Thogard wrote: »
    Mend wounds makes your light attacks heal.

    He was next to guards.

    You can heal your own team’s guards.

    If that's the case, can it be ban worthy? I mean u did proc it with light attacks afterall...

    I doubt it. It sounds just really clever. Similar to building up ultimate on an NPC. It should be fixed, but it isn’t ban worthy. I’m just not sure how they keep the charges.
    Edited by Thogard on June 14, 2018 2:54PM
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  • Ixtyr
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    Mend Wounds is working as intended, there's no indication that because your LAs heal rather than damage that this is bugged. They're still LAs. They just heal targets, not damage them. Couple that with a few now-more-relevant-because-Jewelrycrafting sets and good timing, you get epic Magblade gank builds like this.

    Yet another triggered player immediately requesting someone get reported and banned because they lack the understanding of how the game works. Never gets old.
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  • Feanor
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    Ixtyr wrote: »
    Mend Wounds is working as intended, there's no indication that because your LAs heal rather than damage that this is bugged. They're still LAs. They just heal targets, not damage them. Couple that with a few now-more-relevant-because-Jewelrycrafting sets and good timing, you get epic Magblade gank builds like this.

    Yet another triggered player immediately requesting someone get reported and banned because they lack the understanding of how the game works. Never gets old.

    The requirement to actually be in combat and build up 5 LA for a proc is there for a reason though. Mend wounds fulfilling that requirement sounds unintended to me.
    Edited by Feanor on June 14, 2018 4:32PM
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  • Nemeliom
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    You can't proc it, since you are not in combat with the guard because you are healing him, not attacking him. If you are not in combat then it won't save the proc.
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  • Datthaw
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    Thogard wrote: »
    Thogard wrote: »
    Mend wounds makes your light attacks heal.

    He was next to guards.

    You can heal your own team’s guards.

    If that's the case, can it be ban worthy? I mean u did proc it with light attacks afterall...

    I doubt it. It sounds just really clever. Similar to building up ultimate on an NPC. It should be fixed, but it isn’t ban worthy. I’m just not sure how they keep the charges.

    Keeping the charges is something that needs some clarification. Feel like half the time I can recast and keep the stack, other half its gone. Was in combat both ways after a recent kill or w/e. Not sure what the difference is
  • Brutusmax1mus
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    I'm willing to bet op engaged the guards, magblade healed in combat guard putting him in combat, then wrecked op. Gg wp.
  • technohic
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    Probably working as intended but in a way they didn't anticipate.

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  • Juhasow
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    Nemeliom wrote: »
    You can't proc it, since you are not in combat with the guard because you are healing him, not attacking him. If you are not in combat then it won't save the proc.

    What if guard You're healing is in combat ? :wink:
  • Vaoh
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    That’s actually very clever :o Using Mend Wounds Light attacks to get Bow procs off of allies.

    This sounds cool tbh. Should this be patched? I’m not sure.
  • kaithuzar
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    Qbiken wrote: »
    You know the charges of assassin´s will is stored as long as you´re in combat right? So if the nightblade had those saved from earlier (by light attacking other targets such as an NPC/Guard) he/she can use the bow-proc on you without you having a single light attack in your death recap.

    The thing is, from the description of circumstances, he cannot be in the combat because 1. The resource was already his faction's. No guards to aggro. 2. The recorded attacks are only Soul Harvest + Will. You cannot get Assassin's Will back right after with 0 things to build the proc and cannot last that long in combat when in stealth. He might have found a way to glitch the proc.

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  • Sky_WK
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    I'm stuck in combat from Nikel to Ash all the time lol, no suprise he was in combat and maintaining the proc that long.
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  • rimmidimdim
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    Just tested, you do NOT have to be in combat to proceed the scourge. And it stay with you, does not disappear, you recast focus and it's there. This is interesting. Have to more testing
  • sly007
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    Ixtyr wrote: »
    Mend Wounds is working as intended, there's no indication that because your LAs heal rather than damage that this is bugged. They're still LAs. They just heal targets, not damage them. Couple that with a few now-more-relevant-because-Jewelrycrafting sets and good timing, you get epic Magblade gank builds like this.

    Yet another triggered player immediately requesting someone get reported and banned because they lack the understanding of how the game works. Never gets old.

    You need to be in combat in order to proc assasin's will. Light attacks alone are not enough. That's why the proc disappears when you leave combat. OP was in the right to be worried.

    Clever as it may be to proc assasin's will this way. I do not think it is intended because healing targets not in combat does not place you in combat.
  • rimmidimdim
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    Mend wounds also procs Molag Kena, overkill.
  • technohic
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    Mend wounds also procs Molag Kena, overkill.

    So you can get MK going for a assasins will out of stealth. I wonder if it does it healing and keeps you out of combat, if you can then switch gear as well.
  • Preyfar
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    I had an issue like that earlier. I was ganked out of stealth and died instantly, and noticed that on my kill damage list.
  • Waffennacht
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    Just tested, you do NOT have to be in combat to proceed the scourge. And it stay with you, does not disappear, you recast focus and it's there. This is interesting. Have to more testing

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