Dungeon Trolls

DeadlyPhoenix

If the guy knew what he was doing he shouldn't have had any problem running on normal completely solo. I've solo'd vet darkshade 2 before, it's really not that tough.

If he complained about your build in a normal run.... he's just a kid, a troll, or a loser. One or all of the above.

Literally any max CP player worth a darn, should be able to solo any normal dungeon, the exception being some DLC dungeons.

Just gotta learn to ignore people like this.

BRCOURTN

Voltematron wrote: »

Hopefully so, and thanks. But yeah the guy came off pretty high elfish to be an argonian to say the least

But I guess at 750 trash talk is a given. But jeez just super judgemental. Like who actually has time to type in the midst of dungeon crawling to trash a teammate my god

whoa whoa whoa! You can't judge all people at 750 cp just because you were judged for a diverse build. It just makes you as bad as them man...

kentgreigrwb17_ESO

Everyone should at least give others a go to see if they can actually pull good dps. But it is not hard to observe a big efficiency gap between so-so DPS in PVP gear and great DPS customised for PVE; or so-so DPS even with PVE gear. We can only hope.

CompM4s

Unless its vet dlc dungeon, which it wouldnt be since he is below 300cp it doesnt matter if someone is running a pvp build. I have also seen some possible pve werewolf builds posted before. I personally run one pve char and one for pvp, but until people are at max cp its completly reasonable to only have one character.

Voltematron

BRCOURTN wrote: »

Voltematron wrote: »

Hopefully so, and thanks. But yeah the guy came off pretty high elfish to be an argonian to say the least

But I guess at 750 trash talk is a given. But jeez just super judgemental. Like who actually has time to type in the midst of dungeon crawling to trash a teammate my god

whoa whoa whoa! You can't judge all people at 750 cp just because you were judged for a diverse build. It just makes you as bad as them man...

Well you certainly aren't wrong lol gotta be honest, doing what a fool does makes one not but a fool themselves. I've met some great 750s tho, but perhaps just a few of the so called elitists to give me that meh feeling. Definitely no hate tho everyone has their thing even if I did get burned for it myself. You'll love this tho

Just a quick update. Made a few changes following alcast and some tips I found here on the forums (and you guys in this discussion thx btw). Played to my strengths as a stam based NB with a bow and DW. Tweaked my armor and dropped unfathomable for the Automaton I had on hand with Viper while I try to gather up either toothrow or sword dancer.

Just ran through Vaults of Madness for the first time with two 750s and a 634, I believe they were mages and a SB tank. The team synergy was 100% where it had to be...literally slaughtering the bosses and doing what I had to for the team. Can't say I didn't die though, there were a couple of ummm....very long drops lol

Aurielle

DeadlyPhoenix wrote: »

If the guy knew what he was doing he shouldn't have had any problem running on normal completely solo. I've solo'd vet darkshade 2 before, it's really not that tough.

If he complained about your build in a normal run.... he's just a kid, a troll, or a loser. One or all of the above.

Literally any max CP player worth a darn, should be able to solo any normal dungeon, the exception being some DLC dungeons.

Just gotta learn to ignore people like this.

I’m going to guess the tank was on a full tank spec. You can absolutely solo Darkshade 2 normal on a full tank spec... it’s just a very slow, paint drying on walls sort of experience. If the guy was on a meta tank build, then he does 5k DPS tops. My vet dungeon magDK tank does 10k, and I know from lots and lots of experience how frustrating it can be when you’re doing as much (or more) DPS than your damage dealers. And that’s with double the DPS of a standard tank. Darkshade II is especially frustrating due to the netch boss (try burning that sucker down when he drops to the ground on a 5k DPS tank build...) and Engine Guardian. There’s a reason why you don’t often see real tanks in dungeons (especially normals), and it’s not just because the DPS queues are slow. The guy OP encountered went over the line for sure, but don’t assume that he’s not “worth a darn” because he complained about a PVP build in a PVE dungeon.

Voltematron wrote: »

BRCOURTN wrote: »

Voltematron wrote: »

Hopefully so, and thanks. But yeah the guy came off pretty high elfish to be an argonian to say the least

But I guess at 750 trash talk is a given. But jeez just super judgemental. Like who actually has time to type in the midst of dungeon crawling to trash a teammate my god

whoa whoa whoa! You can't judge all people at 750 cp just because you were judged for a diverse build. It just makes you as bad as them man...

Well you certainly aren't wrong lol gotta be honest, doing what a fool does makes one not but a fool themselves. I've met some great 750s tho, but perhaps just a few of the so called elitists to give me that meh feeling. Definitely no hate tho everyone has their thing even if I did get burned for it myself. You'll love this tho

Just a quick update. Made a few changes following alcast and some tips I found here on the forums (and you guys in this discussion thx btw). Played to my strengths as a stam based NB with a bow and DW. Tweaked my armor and dropped unfathomable for the Automaton I had on hand with Viper while I try to gather up either toothrow or sword dancer.

Just ran through Vaults of Madness for the first time with two 750s and a 634, I believe they were mages and a SB tank. The team synergy was 100% where it had to be...literally slaughtering the bosses and doing what I had to for the team. Can't say I didn't die though, there were a couple of ummm....very long drops lol

That’s great to hear, OP! Automaton is a great, easily acquirable PVE DPS set, and Alcast’s builds are always solid. Just keep at it. Your next step, if you want to keep improving your DPS, is to start practicing a rotation. Alcast’s builds always have rotations included, and while they can take a while to master, they can improve your DPS tremendously. If you’re in a guild, ask if anyone has a training dummy in their house. Beating up training dummies is a great way to practice your rotation and also get a better sense of how much DPS you’re doing on static boss fights.

Vaoh

Heimpai wrote: »

Voltematron wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

Voltematron wrote: »

Quite spot on if I must say. Might I add that as I've been typing this all of you have been extremely insightful and supportive about the situation. Especially with regard to CP it is a noticeable difference once you get higher up and don't get me wrong I've come across plenty of older players who were very cool and just enjoying the game. Just that malcontent last night lol

This troll was indeed the argonian tank. Here's the thing tho, the trash talk started as soon as we entered (wait for it)....

Normal Darkshade 2, before any fighting really began honestly. I'm pretty sure he was peeved at the 2H set up going in though based on the immediate trashing.

I tend to rotate between DW and Bow as far as DPS goes, usually better results with the DW but I prefer the Bow to stay at range and 2H Rally with brawler to save me when things get too hairy up close. I do have my times for DW but I can't exactly land on a decent setup yet (for all wondering I race changed to Redguard, dumped nearly all into Stamina and am running unfathomable darkness with viper sting but am looking to switch up soon).

Darkshade II (or any normal story-II dungeon, for that matter) can be painful if you’re running a full tank build and are paired up with damage dealers who aren’t doing all that much DPS. I pugged a normal Darkshade II recently on my vet dungeon tank for the random normal daily rewards, and wanted to stab my eyes out repeatedly. My tank only does about 10k DPS, and was out-DPSing both damage dealers and the healer combined. They also COULD NOT stay alive during the final fight. I went through about 20 soul gems before I gave up and soloed it. Slowly.

So... while the tank you encountered was probably unnecessarily rude, I also understand why he/she might have been frustrated. You encounter a LOT of poor DPS if you take the chance of tanking a normal pug on the full tank build you normally use for vet dungeons and trials. It’s one of the reasons why a lot of people “fake tank” normal dungeons with their damage dealers. I hate to say it, but your Viper/Unfathomable Darkness setup (both of which are proc sets that are better suited to PVP) was probably barely even tickling the bosses. There are much better crafted and dropped options available that would be less likely to draw the ire of cranky tanks who just want to get the dungeon done in a reasonable amount of time.

I've actually gotta agree with you there as well, as I'm learning more about the different elements in the game. Any suggestions on a decent set combo would be much appreciated too. Again you've all been really helpful

I mainly pvp these days because people would complain about no dps, sorry I’m not max cp and only doing 16-18k dps

Gear wise i run spriggans/hundings and 2 agility

Thanks to the above reason i gave up on trying for better gear from dungeons and went to pvp

You could always try to be a healer or tank if you are really bad at puting out DPS. I’d say Healers/Tanks can more easily put up with being low CP as well, whereas DPS lose more performance from not having Max CP (although even at CP160 you can complete all Vet Dungeons HM if you are a good DPS).

You really do not need great DPS though by any means. You only need to be average unless running something like Vet Scalecaller Peak Hard Mode lol. I highly recommend looking up a build on Alcast’s website located right here. Scroll to the top right and click, then go Builds > Summerset > PvE Builds > Class > Damage Dealer

From there he provides a great build, rotation, skill set, potions, CPs... everything really. Likely a video too. He even provides alternative setups with much easier to acquire gear. If you want more info or are unsatified it could also help to check out his builds from the Dragon Bones patch - Builds > Dragon Bones > PvE Builds > Class > Damage Dealer to find similarities/differences to see why certain things changed.

Anyway that’s what I would do if I was in your position - make an attempt to **improve**. Just because some people talked trash about you doing really poorly at your role, doesn’t mean you should permanently quit that entire side of the game lol (unless you really don’t like PvE).

Blutengel

Voltematron wrote: »

Hopefully so, and thanks. But yeah the guy came off pretty high elfish to be an argonian to say the least

lol you should of told him that XD

Azurephoenix999

It's always annoying when people make assumptions about your lack of skill before you've even done anything.

That said, as someone who's only stepped into Vet Dungeons a handful of times, it can get REALLY annoying when the DPS doesn't know what they're doing.

I was tanking on Veteran CoA2, and it took us WAY too long to beat each boss because the DPS guys were utter crap. It was doable, mind you, until we hit the final boss. Not only was one of the DPS guys dying on almost every platform (he kept forgetting to gtfo when the Valkyn destroyed the platform), both DPSs combined took ages to kill off the adds and were barely scratching the Valkyn's health. It was a repeat case of the last platform going down with the Valkyn still with over half his health remaining. On multiple occasions the Healer had to help with the DPS and we still couldn't get enough to beat him. After over 2 hours of trying, we had to give up for the night.

Then I queued up with a different group the next day, we did it first time because the DPS guys basically annihilated the Valkyn in three platforms.

My point? Not saying anything about your playstyle personally, just saying if you queue for a Veteran Dungeon, the other players will expect you to perform well, so they won't be as patient as someone queuing for Normal Dungeons.

GoonyGoat

Don't get why peeps have to be d*cks in normal.. Yes it may take longer but it will get done. Got VoM the other day on my pure tank, all low lvls, I think all first time (not much chat going on).

One of the dps is running snb, but he never responded to chat so decided to see what happens. He taunted the bosses off me ... Then did a decent job of tanking them. Adjusted some skills on my backbar and would swap to a potato-dps when he pulled so the bosses wouldn't get immune. It did teach me to bring dps gear for randoms though

I pug a lot because I like the randomness and sometimes just wanna chill. Besides normals are for learning class, skills, mechs, whatever and for a bit of extra exp. That's also exactly where I would expect folks to have interesting builds and playstyles.

Faune

I agree with most of the responses here. Bottom line is, in my opinion, this is your game and you should play it how you want to. Of course there is always the general rules... like be kind etc etc. Unless you want to be a crude, thieving *** in your game, then be that. Just don't be that in your RL, that would really suck man.

Claudman

Ah...The classic, "If you're not running this build by <insert streamer/youtuber here> then you're bad!" person.
If you're dealing a great amount of damage and the boss is dying at a relatively normal speed (not taking an hour or causing the party to wipe from DPS mechanics), you're fine.

Aurielle

Faune wrote: »

I agree with most of the responses here. Bottom line is, in my opinion, this is your game and you should play it how you want to. Of course there is always the general rules... like be kind etc etc. Unless you want to be a crude, thieving *** in your game, then be that. Just don't be that in your RL, that would really suck man.

“Play how you want” doesn’t really apply 100% to dungeons, IMO. You need to be a team player in a dungeon, as other people are reliant upon your individual performance to complete the dungeon smoothly and in a timely fashion. For DPS, that means maximizing your damage as much as you possibly can (not rocking into the dungeon on a proc PVP build or a tanky full impen build). Just saying. There’s lots of flexibility as far as DPS builds go, but if you stray too far from the meta, you’re often little more than a detriment to your team. Not all of us have 45-60 minutes to complete a single dungeon. I have PVE sets for my PVP characters that I wear as a courtesy to others when I take them through dungeons. I would never expect anyone to carry them just because they’re PVP characters. I also work to improve my performance in my PVE roles as much as possible, out of respect for my team mates.

Rain_Greyraven

@Voltematron The worst part about ESO is the exact same thing Skyrim suffered from, which is a terrible toxic community, only it's tens times worse because even with mute or ignore you can't actually get these idiots to shut up and go away.

This issue is compounded by the fact that even pre-made groups can't run delves and Dungeons in peace because everything is forced public which is archaic and actually works against many of the quest.

Example

Questgiver: Hero go to the ancient Ruins of Boomshackalacka and return to me with the tome of doowadiddy but beware no one has tread in those evil halls for centuries.

"Hero rides through the forest and finds the Ruins however there are 75 people bunny hopping inside and some idiot begging for a Vampire bite."

Player logs off ESo and logs into a more modern MMO that allows instancing.

ESO is a Trolls paradise and it is purposely made to be so by the developers.

josiahva

Quite simply...werewolf is bad for DPS in this game...just the way its designed...you are limited to 5 abilities...one generally worthless heal, one generally useless(for dungeons) gap closer, one generally useless(for dungeons) fear, leaving you with 2 useful abilities for DPS and a light and heavy attack, and with heavy attack damage being nerfed the only hope for any DPS is the pack leader morph. Also...while 2 hander can do decent damage even in PvE most of the time it simply doesn't...which is why you have most stam DPS running dual wield/bow. So for whatever reason they thought you were doing bad DPS, whether its true or not that is always the impression WW and 2 hander will leave...the only way to prove them wrong would be to post your DPS numbers. Group activities like dungeons put pressure on people to fill their roles, whether that is heals, DPS, or tank. No one likes a fake tank...and conversely no one likes a fake DPS or healer either. If you are doing 20k DPS, you are doing fine...if you are doing less, you shouldn't queue for vet dungeons, several are simply impossible if you don't meet that threshold(or close to it...such as the treeminder in vRoM, the lowest performing DPS I ever beat her with pulled 19k DPS, and that required a good amount of luck/timing)

Faune

Aurielle wrote: »

Faune wrote: »

I agree with most of the responses here. Bottom line is, in my opinion, this is your game and you should play it how you want to. Of course there is always the general rules... like be kind etc etc. Unless you want to be a crude, thieving *** in your game, then be that. Just don't be that in your RL, that would really suck man.

“Play how you want” doesn’t really apply 100% to dungeons, IMO. You need to be a team player in a dungeon, as other people are reliant upon your individual performance to complete the dungeon smoothly and in a timely fashion. For DPS, that means maximizing your damage as much as you possibly can (not rocking into the dungeon on a proc PVP build or a tanky full impen build). Just saying. There’s lots of flexibility as far as DPS builds go, but if you stray too far from the meta, you’re often little more than a detriment to your team. Not all of us have 45-60 minutes to complete a single dungeon. I have PVE sets for my PVP characters that I wear as a courtesy to others when I take them through dungeons. I would never expect anyone to carry them just because they’re PVP characters. I also work to improve my performance in my PVE roles as much as possible, out of respect for my team mates.

That is exactly why I added the general rules apply... so yeah, play how you want still works. Being reasonable would be a general rule, as would being a team player. I assume those things are common sense.
Edit: I also want to add that the op was running a normal dungeon, not a vet, and that they aren't a seasoned eso dungeon runner. Expecting them to hit 20k dps right off the bat is silly.

imnotanother

Can you Rez while in werewolf form?

ThePlayer

For the normal dungeons, usually you can go also naked and with tank skills, it doesn't matter.
The problem to use a pvp build is when you go for some dungeons number 2 or the DLC dungeons where often are necessary
+20k dps from every DD.
I still have not reckoned well, but i think most of the pvp builds (with skills and gears) make a dps of 7-9k, which may be good for some vet dungeons, but not all.
Personally i think that all those DD that make the fake tank or healer are definitely worse. Many of them are very rude and do not wait for the group.

DeadlyPhoenix

Aurielle wrote: »

DeadlyPhoenix wrote: »

If the guy knew what he was doing he shouldn't have had any problem running on normal completely solo. I've solo'd vet darkshade 2 before, it's really not that tough.

If he complained about your build in a normal run.... he's just a kid, a troll, or a loser. One or all of the above.

Literally any max CP player worth a darn, should be able to solo any normal dungeon, the exception being some DLC dungeons.

Just gotta learn to ignore people like this.

I’m going to guess the tank was on a full tank spec. You can absolutely solo Darkshade 2 normal on a full tank spec... it’s just a very slow, paint drying on walls sort of experience. If the guy was on a meta tank build, then he does 5k DPS tops. My vet dungeon magDK tank does 10k, and I know from lots and lots of experience how frustrating it can be when you’re doing as much (or more) DPS than your damage dealers. And that’s with double the DPS of a standard tank. Darkshade II is especially frustrating due to the netch boss (try burning that sucker down when he drops to the ground on a 5k DPS tank build...) and Engine Guardian. There’s a reason why you don’t often see real tanks in dungeons (especially normals), and it’s not just because the DPS queues are slow. The guy OP encountered went over the line for sure, but don’t assume that he’s not “worth a darn” because he complained about a PVP build in a PVE dungeon.

Voltematron wrote: »

BRCOURTN wrote: »

Voltematron wrote: »

Hopefully so, and thanks. But yeah the guy came off pretty high elfish to be an argonian to say the least

But I guess at 750 trash talk is a given. But jeez just super judgemental. Like who actually has time to type in the midst of dungeon crawling to trash a teammate my god

whoa whoa whoa! You can't judge all people at 750 cp just because you were judged for a diverse build. It just makes you as bad as them man...

Well you certainly aren't wrong lol gotta be honest, doing what a fool does makes one not but a fool themselves. I've met some great 750s tho, but perhaps just a few of the so called elitists to give me that meh feeling. Definitely no hate tho everyone has their thing even if I did get burned for it myself. You'll love this tho

Just a quick update. Made a few changes following alcast and some tips I found here on the forums (and you guys in this discussion thx btw). Played to my strengths as a stam based NB with a bow and DW. Tweaked my armor and dropped unfathomable for the Automaton I had on hand with Viper while I try to gather up either toothrow or sword dancer.

Just ran through Vaults of Madness for the first time with two 750s and a 634, I believe they were mages and a SB tank. The team synergy was 100% where it had to be...literally slaughtering the bosses and doing what I had to for the team. Can't say I didn't die though, there were a couple of ummm....very long drops lol

That’s great to hear, OP! Automaton is a great, easily acquirable PVE DPS set, and Alcast’s builds are always solid. Just keep at it. Your next step, if you want to keep improving your DPS, is to start practicing a rotation. Alcast’s builds always have rotations included, and while they can take a while to master, they can improve your DPS tremendously. If you’re in a guild, ask if anyone has a training dummy in their house. Beating up training dummies is a great way to practice your rotation and also get a better sense of how much DPS you’re doing on static boss fights.

I would agree with you except for the fact that the max tank player queued into a random pug group and as such has no room to complain about what anyone else has equipped. If you dont want to risk getting bad dps and the dungeon taking forever, find a group before you queue or simply dont run it at all.

Doesn't matter if the tank has minimal damage. He could have ran vet instead of normal and gotten higher CP players to run with, since tanks generally aren't needed on normal, but instead he chose to queue for a normal dungeon which are available to low levels as well.

If I run with a pug, 98% of the time I do, I don't complain about the group composition. It's random players with different play styles, it's a given that someone is either going to be low level with minimal dps or just not running a decent build because they like what theirs does for them.

If the group can't handle it, I'll leave. I've only had to leave a few dungeons due to bad players and those were DLC dungeons. Even then though, I didnt get hateful or throw insults around for people not having a proper build. Simply let them know the group wasn't efficient enough to beat it and I didn't have the hours to spend advancing through it with them.

karekiz

Normal - meh who cares.
Vet classic - Meh who cares
Vet DLC - some of them yeah you need to brush up.

Diminish

You may have gotten through the dungeon "with no issue", but there is a big difference between say veteran wayrest 2, veteran city of ash 2, and a lot in between (especially DLC dungeons). Your 2h werewolf form build can get through the easier vet dungeons, and not seem like much of a burden...sure. However, from a DD perspective there are much better skill lines that will reduce the burden off the other DD in harder content.

Your idea of fun is to go into a dungeon, and complete it. Others may be there to farm gear, and want as sufficient of a complete as possible. Sure, a 25 minute completion is still a completion, but with a more competently built group that could have been a 15 minute completion. Also, I am sure that he was not referring to your werewolf form, and your big 2 hand weapon were all the telltale signs he needed that you were either on a PvP toon or not on a very optimized build.

You consider it hate, and perhaps he was trash talking you, but at the same time he actually provided some half-baked guidance indirectly. To be frank, I would just drop group if I ran into your build in the harder content in the game. Not out of spite, simply out of respect for my own time. Sure, you may complete it, but after how many wipes, repairs, soul gems, etc? Don't take it to heart, and definitely play the game the way you wish and the way you enjoy it most, but with your build you should brace yourself to expect similar behavior in the future as well because I guarantee it will surface much more.

Voltematron

Have been reading through more of the replies. Just wanna add in some info, again you guys are..just awesome lol

As far as DPS goes I made the adjustments and ended up playing through (and incidentally completing the ones I hadn't) normal dungeons into the morning. Landed on a nice mix of Automaton and Toothrow that's doing great for my damage and so far I'm liking it.

My stats are up considerably now compared to before with the 2H. Less focus on health, using warrior mundus. At 260CP I have nothing to really base it on aside from what I've gathered from these forums, alcast and fextra tbh but with a dubious camoran active and my armor set I'm looking like:

15k health, 35k Stam, 2100 Stam rec, weapon DMG 2150, weapon critical 55% (higher based on what daggers I choose to use, currently 2x epic agility), physical resistance at 12k and spell at 10k, critical resistance at 650)

3 Automaton pieces, 2 jewelery. 3 toothrow and 1 ring (searching for guards of either, still have on vipers sting for the moment).

In running the dungeons last night I did get queued up with three >35 players for wayrest 1 and fungal grotto 2 and solod most of the way while they collected themselves I think lol but the improvements were noticeable imo and I managed to keep the dps up.

As far as werewolf, surprisingly it helps. My mag isnt very high (10k) but the healing saves me in tight spots and I can spam potions during. I do run pack leader and for what it's worth, those two wolves keep whoever I'm fighting sufficiently occupied while I deal damage from behind (ha). I don't rely too much on the abilities aside from feral pounce to keep the transformation up, as well as claws of life for the disease damage along with hircines rage for weapon damage along with passives otherwise it's light attacks constantly. You can be resurrected as a wolf, but in the transformation you're saving no one if they go down.

Hope the insight helps, I'll definitely look around for a training dummy to get actual DPS numbers. Just bought black vine Villa, I'll see if I can find one myself.

DoctorESO

Azurephoenix999 wrote: »

It's always annoying when people make assumptions about your lack of skill before you've even done anything.

That said, as someone who's only stepped into Vet Dungeons a handful of times, it can get REALLY annoying when the DPS doesn't know what they're doing.

I was tanking on Veteran CoA2, and it took us WAY too long to beat each boss because the DPS guys were utter crap. It was doable, mind you, until we hit the final boss. Not only was one of the DPS guys dying on almost every platform (he kept forgetting to gtfo when the Valkyn destroyed the platform), both DPSs combined took ages to kill off the adds and were barely scratching the Valkyn's health. It was a repeat case of the last platform going down with the Valkyn still with over half his health remaining. On multiple occasions the Healer had to help with the DPS and we still couldn't get enough to beat him. After over 2 hours of trying, we had to give up for the night.

Then I queued up with a different group the next day, we did it first time because the DPS guys basically annihilated the Valkyn in three platforms.

My point? Not saying anything about your playstyle personally, just saying if you queue for a Veteran Dungeon, the other players will expect you to perform well, so they won't be as patient as someone queuing for Normal Dungeons.

So what you're saying is, "DPS matters"?

jaschacasadiob16_ESO

Odnoc wrote: »

It's a shame everyone can't match everyone's play style. Not many dps checks in even vet dungeons though, especially in the < 300CP ones, as long as we make it through, doesn't bother me one bit.

Well, maybe not everyone has/wants to spend 2 hours to complete an entry level veteran dungeon, you know. All these PvPers doing veteran PvE content (you can recognize them because they spam on skill all the time, taking ages to kill a spider, with little to no self sustain at all) totally lack respect for other people's time.

Coupled with fake tanks and healers, PvPers in veteran PvE content are one of the main reasons PUGs are a disaster.

Zatox

its not a tragedy to bring a bad pve build into dungeon if you are newer player .
But running pvp build in dungeon purposely is disrespect to group. So dont expect any kindness when you do such things.

D0PAMINE

You know what's worse than some random scrub insulting you in a random dungeon? When it comes from someone you've known for years and you run content with A LOT.

Ectheliontnacil

In my experience lowbie players are more toxic than experienced ones. Either they won't respond in chat if you're trying to explain mechanics. Or they try to boss you around, based on some outdated dungeon guide they read.

I pugged vHRC yesterday and it was a pretty decent grp. One cp 360 didn't have a clue what he was doing though and died like 10 times on the second boss (right side). Without anyone commenting on this he told everyone to *** off and left the grp and discord.

Tbh it was prolly easier to complete the rest without him...

Brrrofski

If it was a normal difficulty dungeon then it's irrelevant. They're all soloable if the mechanics allow.

If it was a vet dungeon, I'd probably be annoyed. I wouldn't start trash talking you, but I'd probably whisper you to use some skills I noticed you weren't.

I appreciate it's a game so it's meant to be fun and everyone should play how they want. But group stuff means that other people's time is in question. If it takes me twice as long to do something it might start annoying me because I only had a certain amount of time. It really isn't that hard to find out what you can do to do decent damage in a dungeon - there's a plethora of videos and information.

There's plenty of solo stuff you can so however you want. If you're impacting on other people, some compromise should be in place.

I don't care about levels either. I see plenty of low levels who know the dungeon and use solid rotations. I see plenty of cp 750 who go in to COA2 with like 13k health, put one dot and then nothing but light atackk for 20 seconds.

WaltherCarraway

Daus wrote: »

The pve community is pretty toxic. Especially if you get into trials. Some people get angry if you bring in a character that has a high rank in PvP. I've heard "why are there PvP players in here?" Before when I've done trials. I can do 40k+ on a Nord 2H/Bow stamblade without optimal gear. Some people like to judge before the first boss fight even starts.

That's low, didn't know about this kind of sentiment before.

zaria

Wraith66 wrote: »

Don't get why peeps have to be d*cks in normal.. Yes it may take longer but it will get done. Got VoM the other day on my pure tank, all low lvls, I think all first time (not much chat going on).

One of the dps is running snb, but he never responded to chat so decided to see what happens. He taunted the bosses off me ... Then did a decent job of tanking them. Adjusted some skills on my backbar and would swap to a potato-dps when he pulled so the bosses wouldn't get immune. It did teach me to bring dps gear for randoms though

I pug a lot because I like the randomness and sometimes just wanna chill. Besides normals are for learning class, skills, mechs, whatever and for a bit of extra exp. That's also exactly where I would expect folks to have interesting builds and playstyles.

Tank queuing as DD, that was new. Yes he might have checked multiple roles or did not know about it.
And its always nice to have a DD setup on tank, some bosses like the last in DS2 can not be taunted, same with last in direfrost. It also nice for overland.