ok dodge chance is rediculous

Rawkan

NB's need the cloak, they go down so easily compared to the other classes.

DuskMarine

Rawkan wrote: »

NB's need the cloak, they go down so easily compared to the other classes.

if you go down so easy your playing a glass cannon ive seen plenty of nightblades live through hordes of players without cloak. so seriously thats not an issue on why they need it thats just bad playstyle on their part if they cant live without it.

Rawkan

DuskMarine wrote: »

Rawkan wrote: »

NB's need the cloak, they go down so easily compared to the other classes.

if you go down so easy your playing a glass cannon ive seen plenty of nightblades live through hordes of players without cloak. so seriously thats not an issue on why they need it thats just bad playstyle on their part if they cant live without it.

I play all classes with defensive builds, and my NB still dies to everything compared to my other characters. Cloak is the only way out. I can't ez mode shield stack like sorc for example.

DuskMarine

Rawkan wrote: »

DuskMarine wrote: »

Rawkan wrote: »

NB's need the cloak, they go down so easily compared to the other classes.

if you go down so easy your playing a glass cannon ive seen plenty of nightblades live through hordes of players without cloak. so seriously thats not an issue on why they need it thats just bad playstyle on their part if they cant live without it.

I play all classes with defensive builds, and my NB still dies to everything compared to my other characters. Cloak is the only way out. I can't ez mode shield stack like sorc for example.

the nightblade doesnt need the cloak to live at all. your damage is insane to begin with. if you have dual wield you have litterally damage mitigation in the form of deadly cloak. use shuffle and itll help mitigate more damage since its legit dodge chance. even go watch gilliamtherogue and how he works with his he can live against a ton of people without ever needing cloak as well, its how you use the build if you build to be a glass cannon your survivability is junk(and if your against a zerg alone you deserve to die anyhow cause nobody can hold up to that much damage). but cloak is purely a mitigation or damage enhancement ability. not both one side cloaks giving more crit damage(not damage suppression) and the newly changed morph even gives damage mitigation but doesnt cloak you. if people cant accept that cloak is broken then you need to actually test it and see how busted it actually is.

Orange_fire_dragon

Well done.

Title: Dodge chance omg so unfair!

Sneakily complains about nightblade cloak instead. xD

TequilaFire

If I can buy this mythical magic cloak everybody hallucinates about I might put it back on my bar.
I even hear cloak now cures all diseases, eliminates world hunger and makes you taller.

DuskMarine

Piraja27 wrote: »

Well done.

Title: Dodge chance omg so unfair!

Sneakily complains about nightblade cloak instead. xD

actually its an intertwined issue unfortunately

Rohamad_Ali

TequilaFire wrote: »

If I can buy this mythical magic cloak everybody hallucinates about I might put it back on my bar.
I even hear cloak now cures all diseases, eliminates world hunger and makes you taller.

Also grants discounts on all guild trader items .

Strider__Roshin

Rawkan wrote: »

NB's need the cloak, they go down so easily compared to the other classes.

That's because you choose to play that way. Before this patch yes stamblades were squishy, but now you have the tools to correct that.

hakan

yeah with a misleading title like that im sure youll get your fix.

theyve said it supresses dot already. doesnt matter if its ballista or poison injection.

also with that logic taking an aoe damage shouldnt reveal cuz you are not in camo, you are invisible so no reason to reveal.

but they have been debating about cloak at class reps so who knows.

LittlePinkDot

Dualwield with bow is for pve stamblade, not pvp. You need rally as a burst heal from the 2h skill tree. Even if cloak didnt dodge DoTs at all, it still wouldnt have even mattered because they just wouldve used rally and vigor to heal through a ballista hit. And stamblades dont even need to use DoTs in pvp because they have the best burst damage. And you have to use a burst combo. Not just 1 shot from a ballista and then expect 1 DoT to even make a difference.

DuskMarine

LittlePinkDot wrote: »

Dualwield with bow is for pve stamblade, not pvp. You need rally as a burst heal from the 2h skill tree. Even if cloak didnt dodge DoTs at all, it still wouldnt have even mattered because they just wouldve used rally and vigor to heal through a ballista hit. And stamblades dont even need to use DoTs in pvp because they have the best burst damage. And you have to use a burst combo. Not just 1 shot from a ballista and then expect 1 DoT to even make a difference.

really?? so everybody should be a glass cannon build?? yea.....no dual wield and bow work just fine for a slayer type nightblade without being practically made of tissue paper and glass with stupid high damage. dual wield and bow bring actual skill to the table sorry to burst your bubble but not everyone likes the gank build. ive taken people down with purely just my bow before lethal arrow poison inject backed by toxic barrage. also heres the thing nightblades again should not be able to become gods just by hitting a button. also show me in current patch notes where it says that cloak can suppress dots? i wanna see it cause none of the tooltips say it. so clearly theres a bug there because they took that ability of cloak away quite some time ago. you cant have both worlds just because you want them when its a bug that needs fixed js.

DuskMarine

hakan wrote: »

yeah with a misleading title like that im sure youll get your fix.

theyve said it supresses dot already. doesnt matter if its ballista or poison injection.

also with that logic taking an aoe damage shouldnt reveal cuz you are not in camo, you are invisible so no reason to reveal.

but they have been debating about cloak at class reps so who knows.

actually it isnt misleading as what it comes up as is dodged not missed or not popping up at all so there is a built in dodge bug with cloak. so it does fall in line with dodge chance being a issue.

TheOneWhoSighs

To me the current cloak seems like a compromise between 2 stances.

1. Obviously no one wants their dots removed and an enemy to be invisible at the cost of 1 spell cast (A.K.A. It would be a bit silly for cloak to also cleanse)

2. NBs don't want to be revealed because they have dots applied to them, and can't really purge after cloaking. (A.K.A. Cloak does nothing about dots)

Cloak leaving the dots intact but turning the damage down to 0 as long as you're invisible makes some sense balance wise. As it means all the dot applier has to do is reveal the cloaked person. And in the case of the cloaked person, they can't go on the offensive until they let the dots run out. This gives time for your mag/stam classes fighting a cloaked person to recover their resources, or to use radiant mage light and reveal them.

Now, talking about siege weaponry right now.

I don't think a nightblade can do much of anything about a person on a wall using a fire balli. So.... I don't care too much that the dots from the fire balli are also blocked. Fire balli user has everything possible stacked into their favor.

Voxicity

DuskMarine wrote: »

Voxicity wrote: »

So what exactly is a stamblade to do?
Vigor+rally barely outheals a ballista
Purge eats over half the magicka pool

So a stamblade should just die if getting hit by a siege if no healer is present?
Sounds more broken to me

yes they should as your arguement is kindve invalid as if a nightblade(stamina or magicka) were to take on a keep alone yes a siege weapon should easily be able to dispatch them without a healer present. its litterally a bolt the size of your torso that is on fire. besides a siege weapon is built to destroy high amounts of players in this thing called sieges. without a healer present sorry a siege weapon should be able to destroy you quickly(thankfully coldfires do it even faster). but if your a stamblade and your in a siege army taking keeps there should be a healer or 10 somewhere in that group to keep you alive and purged. the only place a stamblade should encounter a siege weapon should be in a group fight area where healers tend to be present. yall need to quit defending a broken ability and its power to basically break the game.

Yet a magicka character can spam shields, stamplar can purge it, stamward spam shrooms

Your argument is completely invalid and I don't think you have much experience in PvP considering the fact that you think sieges can only be placed near keeps and only in large numbers

You can put a siege anyway, fyi, so a stamblade could encounter a siege without a healer present in the following places for example:

A resource tower
Any of the bridges
Literally anywhere on the map

Hope this info helps

Voxicity

ak_pvp wrote: »

This post is concerning, people asking for balance without knowing how the ability works. Yes, cloak supressing dots is a feature, and yes it is intended.

It is definitely OP, and should be changed, but that doesn't mean it is an exploit.

Voxicity wrote: »

So what exactly is a stamblade to do?
Vigor+rally barely outheals a ballista
Purge eats over half the magicka pool

So a stamblade should just die if getting hit by a siege if no healer is present?
Sounds more broken to me

No. You use your invisibility to not be hit by a ballista, or build with some defense like the rest of us.

Easy to suggest using invisibility, but when you're being countersieged by 10+, the game is too clunky to get off your own siege and move away.

You're a magickaDK. You literally just have to spam dragon blood and you're fine. Play stamblade in a siege without cloak slotted then come back and comment mate

The_Protagonist

Why don't people understand that cloaking/invisibility is like going into a shadow state, no physical body is available for damage to occur, that's why cloak suppressing dots, makes complete sense to me.

Voxicity

DuskMarine wrote: »

Rawkan wrote: »

DuskMarine wrote: »

Rawkan wrote: »

NB's need the cloak, they go down so easily compared to the other classes.

if you go down so easy your playing a glass cannon ive seen plenty of nightblades live through hordes of players without cloak. so seriously thats not an issue on why they need it thats just bad playstyle on their part if they cant live without it.

I play all classes with defensive builds, and my NB still dies to everything compared to my other characters. Cloak is the only way out. I can't ez mode shield stack like sorc for example.

the nightblade doesnt need the cloak to live at all. your damage is insane to begin with. if you have dual wield you have litterally damage mitigation in the form of deadly cloak. use shuffle and itll help mitigate more damage since its legit dodge chance. even go watch gilliamtherogue and how he works with his he can live against a ton of people without ever needing cloak as well, its how you use the build if you build to be a glass cannon your survivability is junk(and if your against a zerg alone you deserve to die anyhow cause nobody can hold up to that much damage). but cloak is purely a mitigation or damage enhancement ability. not both one side cloaks giving more crit damage(not damage suppression) and the newly changed morph even gives damage mitigation but doesnt cloak you. if people cant accept that cloak is broken then you need to actually test it and see how busted it actually is.

Love how you just listed abilities THAT EVERY STAMINA CLASS HAS ACCESS TO AND AREN'T EXCLUSIVE TO STAMBLADE

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Not sure about you but I'm quite a fan of build diversity. Pigeonholing stamblades into using dual wield just to survive sieges sounds like an awful suggestion

Elusiin

First off, please spell ridiculous correctly, that's my biggest pet peeve lol... But I agree, I'm not sure why DoTs are dodgeable... But if you look at the animation for like shuffle, your body turns transparent, so maybe you're partially de-materialized? And that's how like fire can't hurt you lol?

red_emu

Another thread about nerfing cloak. Do people even play a Nightblade? For us, a cloak is a survival strategy and let me tell you why (from point of view of a MagBlade - I never could get into the stam playstyle):

First let's assume that the PvP Purge skill isn't there and we are talking about purely a class design:

So, imagine getting hit with a pretty painful DoT:

-Templar can cleanse it off and heal, all while buffing themselves up,
-Warden can spam Netch to cleanse one dot at the time (very easy to do since netch can be block-animation cancelled) for free + apply heal and buff up,
-Dragon Knight can pop a really powerful self heal or reflect the damage and is the tankiest class in the game,
-Sorcerer can spam heal with a pet or (less efficient but still) use dark conversion + buff up,

Now nightblade.... nightblade has no burst self heal, HoT's a ridiculously small, major ward is not within the nightblade skill line (as the only class! DK - V.Armor, Sorc - Lightning form, Warden - Ice Armour, Templar - rune). Nightblade has no access to cleanse (within the skill line), so cloaking for 2.9 (!) seconds to suppress damage is the best defence since the class can not outheal multiple DoTs stacked or cleanse, or buff their own damage mitigation enough.

Summarising: Nightblade is a class with a different playstyle to the others when it comes to survival. If you really want all classes homogenised, I pray ZOS does not take your feedback seriously.

Why does everyone want all the classes to play the exact same? I really don't get it

acampbell

I mean this is a game balance thing, not a realism thing. I don’t feel like the nightblade cloak is overpowered, being able to avoid DoTs with it is cool and fair, another tactical smart decision for a player to make.

huschdeguddzje

So the forums have become exclusively become a place for pvp to complain?

Voxicity

huschdeguddzje wrote: »

So the forums have become exclusively become a place for pvp to complain?

11 PvE related threads on front page
6 PvP related threads on front page

So I'm gonna go ahead and say, nope

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO

huschdeguddzje wrote: »

So the forums have become exclusively become a place for pvp to complain?

Nope but halfway there, so this turns out to be another "Nerf Nightblade" thread..

@DuskMarine You have been told the reasons numerous times, why Cloak for Nightblades does it's thing with Dots.. Now it's time to shut down the thread, learn to handle the situation or GTFO or better yet go make a Nightblade and wear all medium armor then try to survive without Cloak.. good luck..

Datthaw

PlagueSD wrote: »

nemvar wrote: »

cloak surpresses all dots. Working as intended.

Should be the other way around. DoTs should break cloak like in EVERY OTHER GAME. Not sure why ZOS decided to make it that you don't take damage while cloaked. Makes absolutely no sense.

If every single dot broke cloak it would be completely useless. Like absolute worst skill in game useless. How many times do you fight and not have some dot on you? Chances are never.

Nyladreas

red_emu wrote: »

Another thread about nerfing cloak. Do people even play a Nightblade? For us, a cloak is a survival strategy and let me tell you why (from point of view of a MagBlade - I never could get into the stam playstyle):

First let's assume that the PvP Purge skill isn't there and we are talking about purely a class design:

So, imagine getting hit with a pretty painful DoT:

-Templar can cleanse it off and heal, all while buffing themselves up,
-Warden can spam Netch to cleanse one dot at the time (very easy to do since netch can be block-animation cancelled) for free + apply heal and buff up,
-Dragon Knight can pop a really powerful self heal or reflect the damage and is the tankiest class in the game,
-Sorcerer can spam heal with a pet or (less efficient but still) use dark conversion + buff up,

Now nightblade.... nightblade has no burst self heal, HoT's a ridiculously small, major ward is not within the nightblade skill line (as the only class! DK - V.Armor, Sorc - Lightning form, Warden - Ice Armour, Templar - rune). Nightblade has no access to cleanse (within the skill line), so cloaking for 2.9 (!) seconds to suppress damage is the best defence since the class can not outheal multiple DoTs stacked or cleanse, or buff their own damage mitigation enough.

Summarising: Nightblade is a class with a different playstyle to the others when it comes to survival. If you really want all classes homogenised, I pray ZOS does not take your feedback seriously.

Why does everyone want all the classes to play the exact same? I really don't get it

Obviously people just complain cause they can't always get the kill and it makes everybody feel inferior. No matter how fair the game is.

It becomes a battle of ego. And what some call "honour". pathetic