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How much dps does blood thirsty give roughly?
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My advancing Yokeda has all healthy jewerly cause I haven't gotten to transmute it yet. Will bloodthirsty be a noticeable DPS increase or something along the lines of a few hundred?
Edited by Azyle1 on June 7, 2018 11:20PM My advancing Yokeda has all healthy jewerly cause I haven't gotten to transmute it yet. Will bloodthirsty be a noticeable DPS increase or something along the lines of a few hundred?
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Joker99✭✭✭Full bloodthirsty should give you an increase of 7.5% in dps on paper. On a 6m dummy if you’d get 40k now you’d be able to get 43k but given the nature of stamblade, the actual result can be much higher.PC-EU
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Mostly just a scrub. Not even max CP.Actually max CP.1 -
it will be a 10% increase below 25% per piece
that means a 2.5% dps increase per piece.
However you lose dps again because you have this instead of arcane/robust or infused.
My findings is that 1-2 bloodthirsty is worth it on magicka builds, especially NB.
On stamina you'd better go infused because of all the weapon damage multipliers.
Tl;DR better make your Yokeda infused with Weapon Damage enchants if you ask me.5 -
erlewine✭✭✭Robust is probably better than Infused, by a small amount. They're around the same damage, while Robust also gives sustain.eisley the worst1 -
Azyle1✭✭✭✭✭I thought for Stamblades the general consensus was that 3x blood thirsty was bar none the highest DPS.0
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✭I thought for Stamblades the general consensus was that 3x blood thirsty was bar none the highest DPS.
On a dummy, not in actual combat. I think it's 2 BT, 1 infused@Sparr0w so I get the notification
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Joker99✭✭✭3 Bloodthirsty will outperform any other combination no matter the fight.PC-EU
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Mostly just a scrub. Not even max CP.Actually max CP.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I am running 2 on my mageblade for what its worth. I dont have fancy math, but I pulled more with 1 than 0 and more than 2 with 1. I didnt want to go to three because, I am not a fan of where my magic is with 3. That might just be a personal bias.
The argument for bloodthirsty in trials, even if the damage difference isnt all that much, is that it speeds up execute phases which are generally the most punishing.5 -
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✭✭✭✭✭It’s never going to be the full 7.5% because the last 25% of enemy health does not take 25% of the fight duration. Any DPS increase (execute abilities, bloodthirsty, or ignoring mechanics) means that this part of the fight is shorter. In my experience 3 bloodthirsty results on around 5-6% damage increase on average, when compared to healthy or no traits. It’s about equivalent to Arcane for Magicka DPS and Infused for Stamina DPS.Edited by WrathOfInnos on June 8, 2018 6:13PM2 -
Azyle1✭✭✭✭✭WrathOfInnos wrote: »It’s never going to be the full 7.5% because the last 25% of enemy health does not take 25% of the fight duration. Any DPS increase (execute abilities, bloodthirsty, or ignoring mechanics) means that this part of the fight is shorter. In my experience 3 bloodthirsty results on around 5-6% damage increase on average, when compared to healthy or no traits. It’s about equivalent to Arcane for Magicka DPS and Infused for Stamina DPS.
5 - 6% Damage or 5 - 6 % DPS increase on total?0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭WrathOfInnos wrote: »It’s never going to be the full 7.5% because the last 25% of enemy health does not take 25% of the fight duration. Any DPS increase (execute abilities, bloodthirsty, or ignoring mechanics) means that this part of the fight is shorter. In my experience 3 bloodthirsty results on around 5-6% damage increase on average, when compared to healthy or no traits. It’s about equivalent to Arcane for Magicka DPS and Infused for Stamina DPS.
5 - 6% Damage or 5 - 6 % DPS increase on total?
Yes, both. Average damage over any set amount of time.2 -
Azyle1✭✭✭✭✭WrathOfInnos wrote: »WrathOfInnos wrote: »It’s never going to be the full 7.5% because the last 25% of enemy health does not take 25% of the fight duration. Any DPS increase (execute abilities, bloodthirsty, or ignoring mechanics) means that this part of the fight is shorter. In my experience 3 bloodthirsty results on around 5-6% damage increase on average, when compared to healthy or no traits. It’s about equivalent to Arcane for Magicka DPS and Infused for Stamina DPS.
5 - 6% Damage or 5 - 6 % DPS increase on total?
Yes, both. Average damage over any set amount of time.
Interesting. So i'm sitting at 52K right now. So I should hit about 54 - 55K maybe.
Not bad.0 -
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✭You can't compare bloodthirsty when killing a 3 million hp dummy against killing a 20k hp sorc in Cyrodiil. By the time the sorc is at 5k hp he's gonna be dead in seconds anyway.
Bloodthirsty not worth it if you ask me unless you're doing a high hp trial boss.4 -
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✭✭✭Do you think that 3pc Bloodthirsty on a mDK would be worth it? They've got no execute and their damage is mostly DOT.Want to enjoy the game more? Try both PvP (crybabies) and PvE (carebears). You'll get a better perspective on everyone's opinion.
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✭✭✭✭✭Savos_Saren wrote: »Do you think that 3pc Bloodthirsty on a mDK would be worth it? They've got no execute and their damage is mostly DOT.
I think that is actually the best class to run Bloodthirsty on. They don’t get any multipliers on Max Magicka or Spell Damage, so it is the worst class for Arcane or Infused. The lack of an execute means that DK’s will typically spend more time in the execute phase than other classes, so they benefit most from Bloodhtirsty. Additionally, the current Meta of Zaan + Elfbane means a significant portion of MagDK damage comes from a damage proc (which is not affected by Max Magicka, Spell Damage or Crit, but does benefit from % damage increased bonuses).
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✭✭✭WrathOfInnos wrote: »Savos_Saren wrote: »Do you think that 3pc Bloodthirsty on a mDK would be worth it? They've got no execute and their damage is mostly DOT.
I think that is actually the best class to run Bloodthirsty on. They don’t get any multipliers on Max Magicka or Spell Damage, so it is the worst class for Arcane or Infused. The lack of an execute means that DK’s will typically spend more time in the execute phase than other classes, so they benefit most from Bloodhtirsty. Additionally, the current Meta of Zaan + Elfbane means a significant portion of MagDK damage comes from a damage proc (which is not affected by Max Magicka, Spell Damage or Crit, but does benefit from % damage increased bonuses).
@WrathOfInnos - I’m confused. What do you mean that we don’t benefit from spell damage or arcane? When i increase my spell damage on my jewelry (via spell dmg glyphs)- my whip/leap increases significantly.Want to enjoy the game more? Try both PvP (crybabies) and PvE (carebears). You'll get a better perspective on everyone's opinion.
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✭✭✭✭Savos_Saren wrote: »WrathOfInnos wrote: »Savos_Saren wrote: »Do you think that 3pc Bloodthirsty on a mDK would be worth it? They've got no execute and their damage is mostly DOT.
I think that is actually the best class to run Bloodthirsty on. They don’t get any multipliers on Max Magicka or Spell Damage, so it is the worst class for Arcane or Infused. The lack of an execute means that DK’s will typically spend more time in the execute phase than other classes, so they benefit most from Bloodhtirsty. Additionally, the current Meta of Zaan + Elfbane means a significant portion of MagDK damage comes from a damage proc (which is not affected by Max Magicka, Spell Damage or Crit, but does benefit from % damage increased bonuses).
@WrathOfInnos - I’m confused. What do you mean that we don’t benefit from spell damage or arcane? When i increase my spell damage on my jewelry (via spell dmg glyphs)- my whip/leap increases significantly.
He is talking about passives that increase your magic or spell damage by a percentage, like bound armor(8% more max magic) on a sorc or the sorc passive, expert mage (2% more spell damage per sorc ablity slotted), the dk has nothing like that.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Savos_Saren wrote: »WrathOfInnos wrote: »Savos_Saren wrote: »Do you think that 3pc Bloodthirsty on a mDK would be worth it? They've got no execute and their damage is mostly DOT.
I think that is actually the best class to run Bloodthirsty on. They don’t get any multipliers on Max Magicka or Spell Damage, so it is the worst class for Arcane or Infused. The lack of an execute means that DK’s will typically spend more time in the execute phase than other classes, so they benefit most from Bloodhtirsty. Additionally, the current Meta of Zaan + Elfbane means a significant portion of MagDK damage comes from a damage proc (which is not affected by Max Magicka, Spell Damage or Crit, but does benefit from % damage increased bonuses).
@WrathOfInnos - I’m confused. What do you mean that we don’t benefit from spell damage or arcane? When i increase my spell damage on my jewelry (via spell dmg glyphs)- my whip/leap increases significantly.
@Savos_Saren Specifically, the Zaan proc is unaffected by any of your stats, but is buffed by Bloodthirsty. Your weapon enchants are also affected by Bloodthirsty (and also spell crit), and not affected by Spell Damage or Max Magicka, but that is a much lower portion of your damage.0 -
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✭✭✭Gottcha. You were specifically speaking as to procs and not class skills. (Which I guess applies to all classes.)
But i see your point- blood thirsty would work great on a proc build. I’ve got an mDK with Valkyn, Caluurion, and Flameblossom- so maybe I’ll give it a try.
I still think a MagSorc would benefit well, too. They could have an active execute and two passive executes! They could make up for the lack of Arcane jewelry by slotting Necropotence and still use two proc sets (Valkyn and Caluurion)
Want to enjoy the game more? Try both PvP (crybabies) and PvE (carebears). You'll get a better perspective on everyone's opinion.
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arishok33✭✭WrathOfInnos wrote: »Savos_Saren wrote: »Do you think that 3pc Bloodthirsty on a mDK would be worth it? They've got no execute and their damage is mostly DOT.
I think that is actually the best class to run Bloodthirsty on. They don’t get any multipliers on Max Magicka or Spell Damage, so it is the worst class for Arcane or Infused. The lack of an execute means that DK’s will typically spend more time in the execute phase than other classes, so they benefit most from Bloodhtirsty. Additionally, the current Meta of Zaan + Elfbane means a significant portion of MagDK damage comes from a damage proc (which is not affected by Max Magicka, Spell Damage or Crit, but does benefit from % damage increased bonuses).
Only that Elf Bane is not meta. xD Try BSW/Siroria or run one of these with the perfected AS Staff. Both yield much higher damage.0 -
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✭✭✭✭WrathOfInnos wrote: »Savos_Saren wrote: »Do you think that 3pc Bloodthirsty on a mDK would be worth it? They've got no execute and their damage is mostly DOT.
I think that is actually the best class to run Bloodthirsty on. They don’t get any multipliers on Max Magicka or Spell Damage, so it is the worst class for Arcane or Infused. The lack of an execute means that DK’s will typically spend more time in the execute phase than other classes, so they benefit most from Bloodhtirsty. Additionally, the current Meta of Zaan + Elfbane means a significant portion of MagDK damage comes from a damage proc (which is not affected by Max Magicka, Spell Damage or Crit, but does benefit from % damage increased bonuses).
Only that Elf Bane is not meta. xD Try BSW/Siroria or run one of these with the perfected AS Staff. Both yield much higher damage.
Elf bane is super useful to people like me who have a hard time sustaining on a magdk. Plus you can run bsw with if and still put out great damage.
And In case you didn't know, elf bane adds 2 ticks to zaan, which do get the extra 50% damage too. I have seen like 23k ticks with full buffs and debuffs.0 -
arishok33✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »WrathOfInnos wrote: »Savos_Saren wrote: »Do you think that 3pc Bloodthirsty on a mDK would be worth it? They've got no execute and their damage is mostly DOT.
I think that is actually the best class to run Bloodthirsty on. They don’t get any multipliers on Max Magicka or Spell Damage, so it is the worst class for Arcane or Infused. The lack of an execute means that DK’s will typically spend more time in the execute phase than other classes, so they benefit most from Bloodhtirsty. Additionally, the current Meta of Zaan + Elfbane means a significant portion of MagDK damage comes from a damage proc (which is not affected by Max Magicka, Spell Damage or Crit, but does benefit from % damage increased bonuses).
Only that Elf Bane is not meta. xD Try BSW/Siroria or run one of these with the perfected AS Staff. Both yield much higher damage.
Elf bane is super useful to people like me who have a hard time sustaining on a magdk. Plus you can run bsw with if and still put out great damage.
And In case you didn't know, elf bane adds 2 ticks to zaan, which do get the extra 50% damage too. I have seen like 23k ticks with full buffs and debuffs.
Just use balance. Then your sustain issues are gone.
And I did know. It's still outperformed by other setups.0 -
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✭✭✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »WrathOfInnos wrote: »Savos_Saren wrote: »Do you think that 3pc Bloodthirsty on a mDK would be worth it? They've got no execute and their damage is mostly DOT.
I think that is actually the best class to run Bloodthirsty on. They don’t get any multipliers on Max Magicka or Spell Damage, so it is the worst class for Arcane or Infused. The lack of an execute means that DK’s will typically spend more time in the execute phase than other classes, so they benefit most from Bloodhtirsty. Additionally, the current Meta of Zaan + Elfbane means a significant portion of MagDK damage comes from a damage proc (which is not affected by Max Magicka, Spell Damage or Crit, but does benefit from % damage increased bonuses).
Only that Elf Bane is not meta. xD Try BSW/Siroria or run one of these with the perfected AS Staff. Both yield much higher damage.
Elf bane is super useful to people like me who have a hard time sustaining on a magdk. Plus you can run bsw with if and still put out great damage.
And In case you didn't know, elf bane adds 2 ticks to zaan, which do get the extra 50% damage too. I have seen like 23k ticks with full buffs and debuffs.
Just use balance. Then your sustain issues are gone.
And I did know. It's still outperformed by other setups.
I have tried to use balance but I really can't count on the healers I play with. Like ever. I usually have to run harness on my front bar too, meaning I have to use the drestro ulti, meaning that since I have a lightning staff (farming for years to get a fire destro) of bsw only, I have to use standard every time. Anyways, I like how with elf bane, eruption is 20 seconds and wall is 10. Makes everything just easier.0 -
erlewine✭✭✭WrathOfInnos wrote: »Savos_Saren wrote: »Do you think that 3pc Bloodthirsty on a mDK would be worth it? They've got no execute and their damage is mostly DOT.
I think that is actually the best class to run Bloodthirsty on. They don’t get any multipliers on Max Magicka or Spell Damage, so it is the worst class for Arcane or Infused. The lack of an execute means that DK’s will typically spend more time in the execute phase than other classes, so they benefit most from Bloodhtirsty. Additionally, the current Meta of Zaan + Elfbane means a significant portion of MagDK damage comes from a damage proc (which is not affected by Max Magicka, Spell Damage or Crit, but does benefit from % damage increased bonuses).
Only that Elf Bane is not meta. xD Try BSW/Siroria or run one of these with the perfected AS Staff. Both yield much higher damage.
I think it's safe to call a build "meta" when it's Alcast's main build guide. https://alcasthq.com/eso-magicka-dragonknight-build-pve/eisley the worst0 -
arishok33✭✭WrathOfInnos wrote: »Savos_Saren wrote: »Do you think that 3pc Bloodthirsty on a mDK would be worth it? They've got no execute and their damage is mostly DOT.
I think that is actually the best class to run Bloodthirsty on. They don’t get any multipliers on Max Magicka or Spell Damage, so it is the worst class for Arcane or Infused. The lack of an execute means that DK’s will typically spend more time in the execute phase than other classes, so they benefit most from Bloodhtirsty. Additionally, the current Meta of Zaan + Elfbane means a significant portion of MagDK damage comes from a damage proc (which is not affected by Max Magicka, Spell Damage or Crit, but does benefit from % damage increased bonuses).
Only that Elf Bane is not meta. xD Try BSW/Siroria or run one of these with the perfected AS Staff. Both yield much higher damage.
I think it's safe to call a build "meta" when it's Alcast's main build guide. https://alcasthq.com/eso-magicka-dragonknight-build-pve/
Ever thought that maybe Alcasts builds are not always the best setup there is? He has more than 20 chars. Of every class. And while he is indeed a very good player, he can't play everything perfectly. How should he?
And his MagDK build is more than subotpimal, sry not sry. I main a MagDK, tested on the PTS for hours and trust me Elf Bane is NOT a good set.
But anyway if you want to spend all your AP or Gold on the Elf Bane Staff go ahead.2 -
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✭✭✭✭WrathOfInnos wrote: »Savos_Saren wrote: »Do you think that 3pc Bloodthirsty on a mDK would be worth it? They've got no execute and their damage is mostly DOT.
I think that is actually the best class to run Bloodthirsty on. They don’t get any multipliers on Max Magicka or Spell Damage, so it is the worst class for Arcane or Infused. The lack of an execute means that DK’s will typically spend more time in the execute phase than other classes, so they benefit most from Bloodhtirsty. Additionally, the current Meta of Zaan + Elfbane means a significant portion of MagDK damage comes from a damage proc (which is not affected by Max Magicka, Spell Damage or Crit, but does benefit from % damage increased bonuses).
Only that Elf Bane is not meta. xD Try BSW/Siroria or run one of these with the perfected AS Staff. Both yield much higher damage.
I think it's safe to call a build "meta" when it's Alcast's main build guide. https://alcasthq.com/eso-magicka-dragonknight-build-pve/
Ever thought that maybe Alcasts builds are not always the best setup there is? He has more than 20 chars. Of every class. And while he is indeed a very good player, he can't play everything perfectly. How should he?
And his MagDK build is more than subotpimal, sry not sry. I main a MagDK, tested on the PTS for hours and trust me Elf Bane is NOT a good set.
But anyway if you want to spend all your AP or Gold on the Elf Bane Staff go ahead.
Why would you use an elf bane staff? When I bought all the jewelry and 2 armor, it cost less then 100k. Hardly anything.1 -
Joker99✭✭✭WrathOfInnos wrote: »Savos_Saren wrote: »Do you think that 3pc Bloodthirsty on a mDK would be worth it? They've got no execute and their damage is mostly DOT.
I think that is actually the best class to run Bloodthirsty on. They don’t get any multipliers on Max Magicka or Spell Damage, so it is the worst class for Arcane or Infused. The lack of an execute means that DK’s will typically spend more time in the execute phase than other classes, so they benefit most from Bloodhtirsty. Additionally, the current Meta of Zaan + Elfbane means a significant portion of MagDK damage comes from a damage proc (which is not affected by Max Magicka, Spell Damage or Crit, but does benefit from % damage increased bonuses).
Only that Elf Bane is not meta. xD Try BSW/Siroria or run one of these with the perfected AS Staff. Both yield much higher damage.
I think it's safe to call a build "meta" when it's Alcast's main build guide. https://alcasthq.com/eso-magicka-dragonknight-build-pve/
Alcast himself said that his builds are not catered to hardcore meta players, they're mostly focused for your average Joe hence they're not always meta. Hardcore players don't need builds, they make them.PC-EU
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StamNB, MagNB, MagPlar, MagDK, StamDK, StamWarden
Mostly just a scrub. Not even max CP.Actually max CP.4 -
arishok33✭✭WrathOfInnos wrote: »Savos_Saren wrote: »Do you think that 3pc Bloodthirsty on a mDK would be worth it? They've got no execute and their damage is mostly DOT.
I think that is actually the best class to run Bloodthirsty on. They don’t get any multipliers on Max Magicka or Spell Damage, so it is the worst class for Arcane or Infused. The lack of an execute means that DK’s will typically spend more time in the execute phase than other classes, so they benefit most from Bloodhtirsty. Additionally, the current Meta of Zaan + Elfbane means a significant portion of MagDK damage comes from a damage proc (which is not affected by Max Magicka, Spell Damage or Crit, but does benefit from % damage increased bonuses).
Only that Elf Bane is not meta. xD Try BSW/Siroria or run one of these with the perfected AS Staff. Both yield much higher damage.
I think it's safe to call a build "meta" when it's Alcast's main build guide. https://alcasthq.com/eso-magicka-dragonknight-build-pve/
Alcast himself said that his builds are not catered to hardcore meta players, they're mostly focused for your average Joe hence they're not always meta. Hardcore players don't need builds, they make them.
Exactly.^^ Nice to see that some people like using Elf Bane, my point is simply it's nowhere near the the best set to use as a MagDK and therefore not Meta. xD0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭WrathOfInnos wrote: »Savos_Saren wrote: »Do you think that 3pc Bloodthirsty on a mDK would be worth it? They've got no execute and their damage is mostly DOT.
I think that is actually the best class to run Bloodthirsty on. They don’t get any multipliers on Max Magicka or Spell Damage, so it is the worst class for Arcane or Infused. The lack of an execute means that DK’s will typically spend more time in the execute phase than other classes, so they benefit most from Bloodhtirsty. Additionally, the current Meta of Zaan + Elfbane means a significant portion of MagDK damage comes from a damage proc (which is not affected by Max Magicka, Spell Damage or Crit, but does benefit from % damage increased bonuses).
Only that Elf Bane is not meta. xD Try BSW/Siroria or run one of these with the perfected AS Staff. Both yield much higher damage.
I think it's safe to call a build "meta" when it's Alcast's main build guide. https://alcasthq.com/eso-magicka-dragonknight-build-pve/
Ever thought that maybe Alcasts builds are not always the best setup there is? He has more than 20 chars. Of every class. And while he is indeed a very good player, he can't play everything perfectly. How should he?
And his MagDK build is more than subotpimal, sry not sry. I main a MagDK, tested on the PTS for hours and trust me Elf Bane is NOT a good set.
But anyway if you want to spend all your AP or Gold on the Elf Bane Staff go ahead.
I’m not familiar with most Alcast builds so I can’t say how well they all perform, but I think you are underestimating Elf Bane. Maybe you didn’t see the full results of the set if you were running it with a staff on one bar? This set adds at least 2k DPS to the Zaan proc alone. Just that one aspect of Elf Bane is roughly the same as the 300-350 average spell damage from Burning Spellweave. Additionally it adds 2s to all fire DoTs, basically allowing 2 extra whips or a free heavy attack every rotation.
I’ll agree with Siroria as the best set to use with Zaan and Elf Bane, as nothing can compete with 600 spell damage and minor slayer.0