Crown Store Prices

Blazedont

I agree

MEBengalsFan2001

Mitoice wrote: »

Am I the only one who doesn't understand crown store prices???

Morrowind expansion costs 3,500 crowns but an insta research scroll or a motif costs 5000 crowns? does this makes any sense?
I mean I would love to spend more money on items from the crown store... I really do, but most of the items are OVER priced items I can get myself veery easily.

Outfit Slot upgrade costs 1,500, half of an expansion and the same price as a DLC ITS NOT Account bound???? Anyone actually expects me to buy 10 outfit slots per 10 characters? I was actually gonna buy all of them till I found out it was character bound.

My point is, ZOS could make A LOT of more money, if they made a crown store with prices that made sense, it almost feels as if different IT departments are running the crown store.

I know I will hold on to my crowns till they do.

Yeah pricing is a bit high but it is better to support a game like ESO than be bombarded with in game marketing towards opening lootboxes that other MMOs do. Yeah crates are here but the items in the crates in ESO are mostly cosmetic and not items that can advance your character to end game and provide characters an advantage that others may not have unless they spend money and get lucky.

I would agree that the outfit should be account bound and not character bound at the current pricing and that the pricing is a bit crazy on some items. Maybe it is due to them trying to keep the pricing of other items lower by raising it on other items.

Some players are willing to pay the price for some of these items and if those players pay, than it keep revenue flowing into the pockets of the developers to allow them to keep developing and expanding the game. Eventually the items pricing if they are not selling will be adjusted or moved into a crate. Hopefully dropped in price and not placed in a crate.

Cpt_Teemo

MEBengalsFan2001 wrote: »

Mitoice wrote: »

Am I the only one who doesn't understand crown store prices???

Morrowind expansion costs 3,500 crowns but an insta research scroll or a motif costs 5000 crowns? does this makes any sense?
I mean I would love to spend more money on items from the crown store... I really do, but most of the items are OVER priced items I can get myself veery easily.

Outfit Slot upgrade costs 1,500, half of an expansion and the same price as a DLC ITS NOT Account bound???? Anyone actually expects me to buy 10 outfit slots per 10 characters? I was actually gonna buy all of them till I found out it was character bound.

My point is, ZOS could make A LOT of more money, if they made a crown store with prices that made sense, it almost feels as if different IT departments are running the crown store.

I know I will hold on to my crowns till they do.

Yeah pricing is a bit high but it is better to support a game like ESO than be bombarded with in game marketing towards opening lootboxes that other MMOs do. Yeah crates are here but the items in the crates in ESO are mostly cosmetic and not items that can advance your character to end game and provide characters an advantage that others may not have unless they spend money and get lucky.

I would agree that the outfit should be account bound and not character bound at the current pricing and that the pricing is a bit crazy on some items. Maybe it is due to them trying to keep the pricing of other items lower by raising it on other items.

Some players are willing to pay the price for some of these items and if those players pay, than it keep revenue flowing into the pockets of the developers to allow them to keep developing and expanding the game. Eventually the items pricing if they are not selling will be adjusted or moved into a crate. Hopefully dropped in price and not placed in a crate.

Sorry people stopped supporting once they purposely installed spyware in a freaking update without letting anyone know about it, or sign off on it

Starshadw

Crown store prices have never made much sense - ZOS could learn much from games like Lord of the Rings online in terms of how to run a good microtransaction store. First and foremost, they need to learn the meaning of microtransaction. Other than the food/potion items, nothing in the Crown store can be considered a "micro" transaction. Prices either need slashing for everything across the board, or Crowns needs to be cheaper (and not just with a sale a few times a year).

Kuwhar

heaven13 wrote: »

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

Yeah, those prices for the research scrolls seem perfectly fine - they're an encouragement to NOT get them. This reduces how much people use them. Which is just fine.


(Hmm, if you think about it, some of the most 'overpriced' things are all stuff you can get in game: motifs that you can farm, research that just takes time, access to a merchant or bank which just takes a bit of time and travel, mount training - time, etc. So they're charging you an arm and a leg to be lazy and/or for instant gratification. Which seems ok to me. Again, the prices are an encouragement to not do that. So take the hint, and don't do that. )

I don't mind the prices of convenience things (except maybe banker/merchant since they're not completely functional). It's the other stuff that I disagree with on pricing...

Crown store exclusive stuff like costumes, mounts, outfit slots, houses.

Mounts used to be 900 for a horse. 1,200 for some of the exotic mounts. 1,800 was top price for the fancy ones. Nowadays, mounts are rarely below 2,500.

Pets were 400 crowns, 700 for the fancier ones. The coral mudcrab just released is 1,200 crowns which (I think) is the most expensive pet released to date and costs as much as some of the early mounts.

Costumes are now regularly released for 2000 crowns (1000 crowns used to get a 3 pack).

Outfit slots are character bound and the same cost as an account wide new character slot.

And houses...crown exclusive houses are about 3x the cost of the game, if not more so.

Crown exclusive pricing is the offender here, not the convenience items.

They probably want people buying crowns as opposed to just getting through subs and sitting on them, which is most likely what was happening.

Crown exclusive stuff is all cosmetic fluff, which makes sense.

heaven13

Kuwhar wrote: »

heaven13 wrote: »

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

Yeah, those prices for the research scrolls seem perfectly fine - they're an encouragement to NOT get them. This reduces how much people use them. Which is just fine.


(Hmm, if you think about it, some of the most 'overpriced' things are all stuff you can get in game: motifs that you can farm, research that just takes time, access to a merchant or bank which just takes a bit of time and travel, mount training - time, etc. So they're charging you an arm and a leg to be lazy and/or for instant gratification. Which seems ok to me. Again, the prices are an encouragement to not do that. So take the hint, and don't do that. )

I don't mind the prices of convenience things (except maybe banker/merchant since they're not completely functional). It's the other stuff that I disagree with on pricing...

Crown store exclusive stuff like costumes, mounts, outfit slots, houses.

Mounts used to be 900 for a horse. 1,200 for some of the exotic mounts. 1,800 was top price for the fancy ones. Nowadays, mounts are rarely below 2,500.

Pets were 400 crowns, 700 for the fancier ones. The coral mudcrab just released is 1,200 crowns which (I think) is the most expensive pet released to date and costs as much as some of the early mounts.

Costumes are now regularly released for 2000 crowns (1000 crowns used to get a 3 pack).

Outfit slots are character bound and the same cost as an account wide new character slot.

And houses...crown exclusive houses are about 3x the cost of the game, if not more so.

Crown exclusive pricing is the offender here, not the convenience items.

They probably want people buying crowns as opposed to just getting through subs and sitting on them, which is most likely what was happening.

Crown exclusive stuff is all cosmetic fluff, which makes sense.

When crowns were made part of the ESO sub, it was under the premise that they'd be 'enough'. And they used to be. It's ZOS's own fault if they devauled their pseudo currency.

Additionally, I'd be more likely to spend my sub crowns if there was decent stuff to spend them on but, most of the time, I need to accumulate multiple months of sub crowns to get something unless I spend them on crates (which I won't).

I can't be the only one who'd been hoping the small percentage crown sale meany better store prices but, uh, guess ZoS is gonna keep trying to double dip.

Aimora

Wayshuba wrote: »

JaZ2091 wrote: »

They already put the Outfit Slots twice on sale @50% off. They clearly aren't getting the expected revenue they thought they would at 1500 crowns a piece. They should just mark it up as a loss and reduce the price permanently and account wide. Keep voting with your wallet, don't give them any sales.

Edit: Typo.

Gee, you think it is because at normal price they are 1800% more than what it normally charged for in MMOs and at 50% off they are still 900% more.

Outfit slots should have been 80-100 Crowns per slot, per character or 500 Crowns account wide. That would have been in line with standard industry pricing.

I don't know if ZoS realizes this, but I bet for a vast majority of players this is not their first MMO rodeo. Many know what MMO pricing is "reasonable" and ZoS hasn't even been close at all on it. $50 research reduction scrolls and motifs? $40 mounts? $15 for a single outfit slot? Heck, they aren't even in the ballpark on a lot of items recently.

Some examples of what things cost in the current CS and what they should really cost for fair value/price:

Outfit Slots 1500 Crowns - should be 80-100 for one slot and 500-1000 account wide
Research Scroll 1 day 400 Crowns - Should be 100 Crowns
Research Scroll 7 day 2500 Crowns - Should be 500 Crowns
Research Scroll 15 day 5000 Crowns - Should be 1000 Crowns
Typical Motif 5000 Crowns - Should be 500-1000 Crowns (since these are available in game)
Store exclusive Motif - Should be 2000 Crowns

Crown Crates - should get twice what you get currently for price. In SWTOR for example, for $50 you get almost 30 crates - in this game you get 15.

ZoS really needs to come to terms with what they are doing with pricing. I think their current structure is just turning off a lot of people who do not see the value in the ridiculous prices they are posting things at in the store. I also believe ZoS is losing A LOT of revenue by pricing things so high. Far better to sell a quantity of 1,000 at 1000 Crowns than 100 at 5,000 Crowns.

Totally agree with this - I would spend a lot more if the cost of items was a lot more balanced, they must have some data to back up the direction they are taking though so maybe I am in the minority.

wolfie1.0.

Diminish wrote: »

wtlonewolf20 wrote: »

This is an example of what zoe probably probably sees in their data: People with subs dont need dlc, but they probably spend more money on cosmetics and houses.

Hate to burst your bubble, but if others are like me, they sub and still don't spend a dime on crowns because they see through the price gouging for 90% of the items added to the crown store. To be honest, the ONLY reason I sub is for the craft bag, and the ONLY reason I NEED the craft bag is because there is SO MUCH JUNK you need to collect for provisioning, crafting, etc. which your typical inventory just doesn't provide the space for. If not for that, I wouldn't need the craft bag, and would stop subbing because with the inclusion of "Chapters" it really diminished (pun intended) the value of an ESO subscription in the first place. You have to sub for 2 months or more to get most of what is of any sort of value/pleasure in game. This cost $30 minimum. So guess what... In the end they are still playing everyone as the fool when they spend their "free crowns" on an overpriced mount or some other garbage out of the crown store.

Yes I understand your point. However my intent was to just point out scenarios and possible reasons for the various pricing. Without the data we wont really know.

Kuwhar

heaven13 wrote: »

Kuwhar wrote: »

heaven13 wrote: »

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

Yeah, those prices for the research scrolls seem perfectly fine - they're an encouragement to NOT get them. This reduces how much people use them. Which is just fine.


(Hmm, if you think about it, some of the most 'overpriced' things are all stuff you can get in game: motifs that you can farm, research that just takes time, access to a merchant or bank which just takes a bit of time and travel, mount training - time, etc. So they're charging you an arm and a leg to be lazy and/or for instant gratification. Which seems ok to me. Again, the prices are an encouragement to not do that. So take the hint, and don't do that. )

I don't mind the prices of convenience things (except maybe banker/merchant since they're not completely functional). It's the other stuff that I disagree with on pricing...

Crown store exclusive stuff like costumes, mounts, outfit slots, houses.

Mounts used to be 900 for a horse. 1,200 for some of the exotic mounts. 1,800 was top price for the fancy ones. Nowadays, mounts are rarely below 2,500.

Pets were 400 crowns, 700 for the fancier ones. The coral mudcrab just released is 1,200 crowns which (I think) is the most expensive pet released to date and costs as much as some of the early mounts.

Costumes are now regularly released for 2000 crowns (1000 crowns used to get a 3 pack).

Outfit slots are character bound and the same cost as an account wide new character slot.

And houses...crown exclusive houses are about 3x the cost of the game, if not more so.

Crown exclusive pricing is the offender here, not the convenience items.

They probably want people buying crowns as opposed to just getting through subs and sitting on them, which is most likely what was happening.

Crown exclusive stuff is all cosmetic fluff, which makes sense.

When crowns were made part of the ESO sub, it was under the premise that they'd be 'enough'. And they used to be. It's ZOS's own fault if they devauled their pseudo currency.

Additionally, I'd be more likely to spend my sub crowns if there was decent stuff to spend them on but, most of the time, I need to accumulate multiple months of sub crowns to get something unless I spend them on crates (which I won't).

I can't be the only one who'd been hoping the small percentage crown sale meany better store prices but, uh, guess ZoS is gonna keep trying to double dip.

Yeah thats exactly the point. They want you to feel like your monthly 1500 isnt enough, thereby increasing the chances that you spend a few bucks on more crown, independent of your sub.

All about that $$ babe

heaven13

Kuwhar wrote: »

heaven13 wrote: »

Kuwhar wrote: »

heaven13 wrote: »

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

Yeah, those prices for the research scrolls seem perfectly fine - they're an encouragement to NOT get them. This reduces how much people use them. Which is just fine.


(Hmm, if you think about it, some of the most 'overpriced' things are all stuff you can get in game: motifs that you can farm, research that just takes time, access to a merchant or bank which just takes a bit of time and travel, mount training - time, etc. So they're charging you an arm and a leg to be lazy and/or for instant gratification. Which seems ok to me. Again, the prices are an encouragement to not do that. So take the hint, and don't do that. )

I don't mind the prices of convenience things (except maybe banker/merchant since they're not completely functional). It's the other stuff that I disagree with on pricing...

Crown store exclusive stuff like costumes, mounts, outfit slots, houses.

Mounts used to be 900 for a horse. 1,200 for some of the exotic mounts. 1,800 was top price for the fancy ones. Nowadays, mounts are rarely below 2,500.

Pets were 400 crowns, 700 for the fancier ones. The coral mudcrab just released is 1,200 crowns which (I think) is the most expensive pet released to date and costs as much as some of the early mounts.

Costumes are now regularly released for 2000 crowns (1000 crowns used to get a 3 pack).

Outfit slots are character bound and the same cost as an account wide new character slot.

And houses...crown exclusive houses are about 3x the cost of the game, if not more so.

Crown exclusive pricing is the offender here, not the convenience items.

They probably want people buying crowns as opposed to just getting through subs and sitting on them, which is most likely what was happening.

Crown exclusive stuff is all cosmetic fluff, which makes sense.

When crowns were made part of the ESO sub, it was under the premise that they'd be 'enough'. And they used to be. It's ZOS's own fault if they devauled their pseudo currency.

Additionally, I'd be more likely to spend my sub crowns if there was decent stuff to spend them on but, most of the time, I need to accumulate multiple months of sub crowns to get something unless I spend them on crates (which I won't).

I can't be the only one who'd been hoping the small percentage crown sale meany better store prices but, uh, guess ZoS is gonna keep trying to double dip.

Yeah thats exactly the point. They want you to feel like your monthly 1500 isnt enough, thereby increasing the chances that you spend a few bucks on more crown, independent of your sub.

All about that $$ babe

Well, babe, I have more impulse control than that. I'm not so easily manipulated by marketing 101 tactics.

idrankyourbeer

agreed. with these kind of prices, if you're gonna #%$^ me like that you may as well pull hair too. or at least take me out for a nice dinner.

Kuwhar

heaven13 wrote: »

Kuwhar wrote: »

heaven13 wrote: »

Kuwhar wrote: »

heaven13 wrote: »

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

Yeah, those prices for the research scrolls seem perfectly fine - they're an encouragement to NOT get them. This reduces how much people use them. Which is just fine.


(Hmm, if you think about it, some of the most 'overpriced' things are all stuff you can get in game: motifs that you can farm, research that just takes time, access to a merchant or bank which just takes a bit of time and travel, mount training - time, etc. So they're charging you an arm and a leg to be lazy and/or for instant gratification. Which seems ok to me. Again, the prices are an encouragement to not do that. So take the hint, and don't do that. )

I don't mind the prices of convenience things (except maybe banker/merchant since they're not completely functional). It's the other stuff that I disagree with on pricing...

Crown store exclusive stuff like costumes, mounts, outfit slots, houses.

Mounts used to be 900 for a horse. 1,200 for some of the exotic mounts. 1,800 was top price for the fancy ones. Nowadays, mounts are rarely below 2,500.

Pets were 400 crowns, 700 for the fancier ones. The coral mudcrab just released is 1,200 crowns which (I think) is the most expensive pet released to date and costs as much as some of the early mounts.

Costumes are now regularly released for 2000 crowns (1000 crowns used to get a 3 pack).

Outfit slots are character bound and the same cost as an account wide new character slot.

And houses...crown exclusive houses are about 3x the cost of the game, if not more so.

Crown exclusive pricing is the offender here, not the convenience items.

They probably want people buying crowns as opposed to just getting through subs and sitting on them, which is most likely what was happening.

Crown exclusive stuff is all cosmetic fluff, which makes sense.

When crowns were made part of the ESO sub, it was under the premise that they'd be 'enough'. And they used to be. It's ZOS's own fault if they devauled their pseudo currency.

Additionally, I'd be more likely to spend my sub crowns if there was decent stuff to spend them on but, most of the time, I need to accumulate multiple months of sub crowns to get something unless I spend them on crates (which I won't).

I can't be the only one who'd been hoping the small percentage crown sale meany better store prices but, uh, guess ZoS is gonna keep trying to double dip.

Yeah thats exactly the point. They want you to feel like your monthly 1500 isnt enough, thereby increasing the chances that you spend a few bucks on more crown, independent of your sub.

All about that $$ babe

Well, babe, I have more impulse control than that. I'm not so easily manipulated by marketing 101 tactics.

Good for you.

Marketing works though, bub.

Kiralyn2000

idrankyourbeer wrote: »

agreed. with these kind of prices, if you're gonna #%$^ me like that you may as well pull hair too. or at least take me out for a nice dinner.

I guess that's the difference - because 98%+ of that stuff is things I wouldn't buy even if they were cheaper, I don't see it as them "#%$^ing" me. I just see it as silly prices for pointless things. /shrug


edit: I subbed a month or two when I started playing last spring. Last Black Friday (I think), I grabbed one of the ~3k crown packs (partially in the anticipation that I'd get 4-12 crown crates when the Dark Shaman outfit came back. But ZOS gave me that for 'free' during the Million Stories event). I've bought a handful of 500/700cr outfits, and the TG/DB dlc's this past anniversary. Still have 3.4k crowns left. Don't really have a whole lot of need for crowns, honestly.

Troneon

ZO$ only understand one thing.

friimynd

#necropower

hey, at least they started off with crazy pricing, rather than making it crazy later on like most games do

feed the whales (from the start)[smart]

the answer is: if you need to think about it, you are NOT a whale