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sorry but these cosmetic prices are getting out of hand
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lordspyder✭✭✭✭✭
Y'all just don't know how good you really have it. That is a sale and only usable on one character. I'm not too concerned about the prices here...3 -
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✭✭✭A limited time polymorph and I probably would have bought it but a costume? No thanks0 -
Pixel_Zealot✭✭✭✭DieAlteHexe wrote: »Pixel_Zealot wrote: »I'm probably going to sound like the "down with the man" guy. But, 1 000 000 gold/14 000 crowns for a virtual house? That's $99 for a virtual house in a game that currently costs $30? WTF? The crown store prices are ridiculous, I honestly refuse to believe that people are buying these items and tolerate it.
Zenimax's greed rolls over to the player base and influences the community negatively. Most of my friends who like MMO's as much as I do are constantly complaining about the obvious greed in ESO. Looking at these prices, I'm astounded there isn't more of an uproar.
Some do. I do, occasionally. It's a hobby. I don't party, don't drink, don't buy lots of shoes
etc. Fill my petrol tank 4 times a year and pay €300 rent a month. I have disposable income and some of the stuff on offer here is where I choose to spend it. No crazier than going out and getting drunk.
That said, I'd like to see the prices a bit lower so that more folk could enjoy things. Seems like they could sell more if the prices weren't so dear.
@DieAlteHexe If you have the disposable income, good for you. That's not my point. If you have the cash to spend, do it 'til your heart's content. My point is. ESO = $30 currently (that's what I end up when I convert the price from my national currency to dollar). A virtual house in ESO = $99. You see my problem here? With ESO, you get hundreds of hours of gameplay and fun. With a house, you get a virtual item to put other virtual items in, yet it costs 3 times more. What is Zenimax's logic behind this? Why are people buying this? How is this OK'd by the community? This kind of mentality unarguably spreads to the community's thinking and economy. Now it costs you close to 700k gold to craft 3 6 trait jewellery pieces.Pixel_Zealot wrote: »I'm probably going to sound like the "down with the man" guy. But, 1 000 000 gold/14 000 crowns for a virtual house? That's $99 for a virtual house in a game that currently costs $30? WTF? The crown store prices are ridiculous, I honestly refuse to believe that people are buying these items and tolerate it.
Zenimax's greed rolls over to the player base and influences the community negatively. Most of my friends who like MMO's as much as I do are constantly complaining about the obvious greed in ESO. Looking at these prices, I'm astounded there isn't more of an uproar.
I think the majority of people find the prices to be asinine, but Zos is careful about keeping things cosmetic, so most people just grumble and look the other way. That, and they have done multiple half-off sales of crowns, usually around December.
@srfrogg23 Even if it is cosmetic. Some cosmetic items are 3 times more expensive than the base game. How can you possibly look the other way when you press the buy button? I can understand when something is a little expensive. But it's obvious how we're being overcharged. I paid R600 (my national currency) for the base game. Morrowind and Summerset each cost the same price the base game costs individually without 1/4 of the amount of content the base game offered. I don't understand how people can just "grumble and look away" when it's so obvious you're being immensely overcharged.
Dragonborn, huh? Was it your ma or your pa that was the dragon?5 -
DanteYoda✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Yeah $20 for a costume is insane..
I usually buy stuff hell i bought the colored Guar and this morrowind deluxe pack today.. But 20 bucks for one costume thats too much Zos..
Its not like i wont buy stuff i do.. but c'mon thats insane.Edited by DanteYoda on June 5, 2018 12:58PM1 -
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✭✭✭DieAlteHexe wrote: »Pixel_Zealot wrote: »I'm probably going to sound like the "down with the man" guy. But, 1 000 000 gold/14 000 crowns for a virtual house? That's $99 for a virtual house in a game that currently costs $30? WTF? The crown store prices are ridiculous, I honestly refuse to believe that people are buying these items and tolerate it.
Zenimax's greed rolls over to the player base and influences the community negatively. Most of my friends who like MMO's as much as I do are constantly complaining about the obvious greed in ESO. Looking at these prices, I'm astounded there isn't more of an uproar.
Some do. I do, occasionally. It's a hobby. I don't party, don't drink, don't buy lots of shoes etc. Fill my petrol tank 4 times a year and pay €300 rent a month. I have disposable income and some of the stuff on offer here is where I choose to spend it. No crazier than going out and getting drunk.
That said, I'd like to see the prices a bit lower so that more folk could enjoy things. Seems like they could sell more if the prices weren't so dear.
^ Absolutely this ^
Don't drink, don't smoke, no kids, no mortgage any more, no debts. I wonder how many of these complainers are smokers... ESO is definitely a healthy option!Bionic Crazy Cat Lady5 -
DieAlteHexe✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Pixel_Zealot wrote: »DieAlteHexe wrote: »Pixel_Zealot wrote: »I'm probably going to sound like the "down with the man" guy. But, 1 000 000 gold/14 000 crowns for a virtual house? That's $99 for a virtual house in a game that currently costs $30? WTF? The crown store prices are ridiculous, I honestly refuse to believe that people are buying these items and tolerate it.
Zenimax's greed rolls over to the player base and influences the community negatively. Most of my friends who like MMO's as much as I do are constantly complaining about the obvious greed in ESO. Looking at these prices, I'm astounded there isn't more of an uproar.
Some do. I do, occasionally. It's a hobby. I don't party, don't drink, don't buy lots of shoes etc. Fill my petrol tank 4 times a year and pay €300 rent a month. I have disposable income and some of the stuff on offer here is where I choose to spend it. No crazier than going out and getting drunk.
That said, I'd like to see the prices a bit lower so that more folk could enjoy things. Seems like they could sell more if the prices weren't so dear.
@DieAlteHexe If you have the disposable income, good for you. That's not my point. If you have the cash to spend, do it 'til your heart's content. My point is. ESO = $30 currently (that's what I end up when I convert the price from my national currency to dollar). A virtual house in ESO = $99. You see my problem here? With ESO, you get hundreds of hours of gameplay and fun. With a house, you get a virtual item to put other virtual items in, yet it costs 3 times more. What is Zenimax's logic behind this? Why are people buying this? How is this OK'd by the community? This kind of mentality unarguably spreads to the community's thinking and economy. Now it costs you close to 700k gold to craft 3 6 trait jewellery pieces.
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No, I don't see your problem, honestly. It's an offer. It's not necessary. Do you get upset when you walk by expensive homes in RL? Do you grumble when you see a pair of, I dunno, shoes that are 300€ or whatever?
Some folks very much enjoy the houses: crafting for them, shopping for them, decorating them, socialising in them, having contests etc. So to THEM it's totally worth it. Go have a look at the housing forum. It's amazing what these folks can and are doing with their time and money and more power to 'em.
I could totally understand this were these things needed but they are not. They are just for fun.
Dirty, filthy casual aka Nancy, the Wallet Warrior Carebear Potato Whale Snowflake3 -
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✭✭lordspyder wrote: »
Y'all just don't know how good you really have it. That is a sale and only usable on one character. I'm not too concerned about the prices here...
Showing a even worse scam doesn't make a slightly cheaper one any better.. Some things cost but this is too much along with that one you linked they are both terrible prices..15 -
BaneOfBattler✭✭✭It's almost like it's purely cosmetic and not required to enjoy the game.
Heheh... Heh...
HAHAHAHHAHAAAAH!
Oh, sorry, I just find this line of thinking to be very amusing from the "Is just cosmetic!" people. Makes me think back to one of Jim Sterling's videos where he pretty much asks a pretty good question.
I will make my spin on the question: In the scenario that ESO's races didn't have racial passives, ultimately only being "Cosmetic choices", I ask you this: Would you still enjoy the game, if you were bogged down with only ONE race to choose from, that being Argonian, and then have to pay X amount of crowns to play something that you really wanted to play, let's say an Orc.
I don't know what you believe, but cosmetic items do very much affect people's enjoyment. Because, guess what, people like to stand out with different styles, and saying "it's just cosmetic and not needed to enjoy a game" pretty much devalues the cosmetics, AND it kinda suggests that people wanting to look different are fools for wanting to stand out.Peekachu99 wrote: »Peekachu99 wrote: »Really? The Aurorans were done VERY poorly. It probably should’ve been a polymorph if anything.
TES: Legends
TESIV: Oblivion
ESO....
It’s barely even the same thing.
Oh and that costume will cost you $20.
Costume is 2000 Crowns. The matching horse is 3000 Crowns.
To get both will cost you 5000 Crowns.
Speak with your wallets people.
You can’t dye a polymorph (though you should be able to, but that’s another matter). Value is also subjective and people really need to stop telling others what they should and shouldn’t like—too much of that in society these days.
I’m buying both outfit and steed as soon as my download is finished.
I can see why people would take issue with others buying something that they see as a "Bad deal", and if you ask me, 5k for a costume and horse isn't the best of deals. Probably at half value and I would find it acceptable.
People are worried that if Zenimax sees that these poor value items are selling really well, they will start pushing the bar even further, until we may end up eventually reaching the point where they are selling costumes and horses at a much more expensive price, and maybe even other things.
I mean, they're probably already doing that with how there are motif pages scattered about in the next Crown Crates, and I can see that people aren't all too happy with that idea.
But I wasn’t asking you. That’s the point I was getting at: all this unsolicited advice and prognostication. If it’s a bad value, people won’t buy it and it’ll go on sale/ get rolled into a crown crate—the end. ZOS has internal metrics and accounting that none of us here will ever see. So it’s fine to discuss the item and explain its percieved value as it applies to you. However, these broader declarations and decrements get on my nerves.
Well, y'know what? It gets on my nerves when people buy expensive, fairly poor value items, either in spite of people, or because they want to.
I mean, sure, go and buy it, but don't then act surprised when more mundane outfits and services start costing a heap of crowns. I mean hey, you're likely going to buy it anyway because "It's your money".
Sterling may be right sometimes, but you made a poor example there. You should be ashamed. We are talking cosmetics, not races and its passives. You are wrong. You cant compare core game mechanics with a costume, You are WRONG.
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✭✭✭lordspyder wrote: »
Y'all just don't know how good you really have it. That is a sale and only usable on one character. I'm not too concerned about the prices here...
Showing a even worse scam doesn't make a slightly cheaper one any better.. Some things cost but this is too much along with that one you linked they are both terrible prices..
Oh you want to see scam, well here it is
https://variety.com/2018/gaming/news/star-citizen-27000-pack-1202825654/0 -
DieAlteHexe✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭lordspyder wrote: »
Y'all just don't know how good you really have it. That is a sale and only usable on one character. I'm not too concerned about the prices here...
Showing a even worse scam doesn't make a slightly cheaper one any better.. Some things cost but this is too much along with that one you linked they are both terrible prices..
Oh you want to see scam, well here it is
https://variety.com/2018/gaming/news/star-citizen-27000-pack-1202825654/
I saw that last week and was astounded. That is one serious amount of money to plop down. Holy you-know-what.
Dirty, filthy casual aka Nancy, the Wallet Warrior Carebear Potato Whale Snowflake0 -
Cpt_Teemo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭DieAlteHexe wrote: »lordspyder wrote: »
Y'all just don't know how good you really have it. That is a sale and only usable on one character. I'm not too concerned about the prices here...
Showing a even worse scam doesn't make a slightly cheaper one any better.. Some things cost but this is too much along with that one you linked they are both terrible prices..
Oh you want to see scam, well here it is
https://variety.com/2018/gaming/news/star-citizen-27000-pack-1202825654/
I saw that last week and was astounded. That is one serious amount of money to plop down. Holy you-know-what.
Also the best thing is you can't even see it till you spend 1k lol0 -
DieAlteHexe✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭DieAlteHexe wrote: »lordspyder wrote: »
Y'all just don't know how good you really have it. That is a sale and only usable on one character. I'm not too concerned about the prices here...
Showing a even worse scam doesn't make a slightly cheaper one any better.. Some things cost but this is too much along with that one you linked they are both terrible prices..
Oh you want to see scam, well here it is
https://variety.com/2018/gaming/news/star-citizen-27000-pack-1202825654/
I saw that last week and was astounded. That is one serious amount of money to plop down. Holy you-know-what.
Also the best thing is you can't even see it till you spend 1k lol
Mind boggling.
Dirty, filthy casual aka Nancy, the Wallet Warrior Carebear Potato Whale Snowflake2 -
Pixel_Zealot✭✭✭✭DieAlteHexe wrote: »Pixel_Zealot wrote: »DieAlteHexe wrote: »Pixel_Zealot wrote: »I'm probably going to sound like the "down with the man" guy. But, 1 000 000 gold/14 000 crowns for a virtual house? That's $99 for a virtual house in a game that currently costs $30? WTF? The crown store prices are ridiculous, I honestly refuse to believe that people are buying these items and tolerate it.
Zenimax's greed rolls over to the player base and influences the community negatively. Most of my friends who like MMO's as much as I do are constantly complaining about the obvious greed in ESO. Looking at these prices, I'm astounded there isn't more of an uproar.
Some do. I do, occasionally. It's a hobby. I don't party, don't drink, don't buy lots of shoes etc. Fill my petrol tank 4 times a year and pay €300 rent a month. I have disposable income and some of the stuff on offer here is where I choose to spend it. No crazier than going out and getting drunk.
That said, I'd like to see the prices a bit lower so that more folk could enjoy things. Seems like they could sell more if the prices weren't so dear.
@DieAlteHexe If you have the disposable income, good for you. That's not my point. If you have the cash to spend, do it 'til your heart's content. My point is. ESO = $30 currently (that's what I end up when I convert the price from my national currency to dollar). A virtual house in ESO = $99. You see my problem here? With ESO, you get hundreds of hours of gameplay and fun. With a house, you get a virtual item to put other virtual items in, yet it costs 3 times more. What is Zenimax's logic behind this? Why are people buying this? How is this OK'd by the community? This kind of mentality unarguably spreads to the community's thinking and economy. Now it costs you close to 700k gold to craft 3 6 trait jewellery pieces.
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No, I don't see your problem, honestly. It's an offer. It's not necessary. Do you get upset when you walk by expensive homes in RL? Do you grumble when you see a pair of, I dunno, shoes that are 300€ or whatever?
Some folks very much enjoy the houses: crafting for them, shopping for them, decorating them, socialising in them, having contests etc. So to THEM, it's totally worth it. Go have a look at the housing forum. It's amazing what these folks can and are doing with their time and money and more power to 'em.
I could totally understand this were these things needed but they are not. They are just for fun.
@DieAlteHexe yes but that's not my point. My point is - you buy a car for $100, and then proceed to buy a car-radio for more than $300 because of all the radio stations you can listen to, and you're really into radio stations. You bought a vehicle, powered by an internal combustion engine, for less than 3 times less than an add-on for your vehicle to enjoy tunes. You see my problem now? I'm not trying to institute the devaluation of said car-radio. I'm not understanding the thinking behind the buying an add-on product for 3 times more than the original product which is clearly not the same value-for-money and being okay with it. It's not rhetorical, when I ask, how any functioning adult's logic doesn't see a red light when they see this trade?Edited by Pixel_Zealot on June 5, 2018 1:25PMDragonborn, huh? Was it your ma or your pa that was the dragon?0 -
red_emu✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I want to know who designed the Auroran Horse?!
It is horrible! What's with the legs? Did Meridia feed him anabolic steroids washed down with protein shakes and sent it off to the gym for 10 hours a day?
Unless this mount can kick the keep wall down with those massive legs, I ain't buying it!
On another note. I really need a Psijic Personality ASAP please PC - EU:
Falathren Noctis - AD MagNecro
Falathren - AD StamSorc
Falathren Eryndaer - AD StamDen
Falathren Irimion - AD MagPlar
Talagan Falathren - AD StamDK
Falathren Infernis - AD MagDK
Your-Ex - AD MagBlade8 -
lordspyder✭✭✭✭✭Pixel_Zealot wrote: »DieAlteHexe wrote: »Pixel_Zealot wrote: »DieAlteHexe wrote: »Pixel_Zealot wrote: »I'm probably going to sound like the "down with the man" guy. But, 1 000 000 gold/14 000 crowns for a virtual house? That's $99 for a virtual house in a game that currently costs $30? WTF? The crown store prices are ridiculous, I honestly refuse to believe that people are buying these items and tolerate it.
Zenimax's greed rolls over to the player base and influences the community negatively. Most of my friends who like MMO's as much as I do are constantly complaining about the obvious greed in ESO. Looking at these prices, I'm astounded there isn't more of an uproar.
Some do. I do, occasionally. It's a hobby. I don't party, don't drink, don't buy lots of shoes etc. Fill my petrol tank 4 times a year and pay €300 rent a month. I have disposable income and some of the stuff on offer here is where I choose to spend it. No crazier than going out and getting drunk.
That said, I'd like to see the prices a bit lower so that more folk could enjoy things. Seems like they could sell more if the prices weren't so dear.
@DieAlteHexe If you have the disposable income, good for you. That's not my point. If you have the cash to spend, do it 'til your heart's content. My point is. ESO = $30 currently (that's what I end up when I convert the price from my national currency to dollar). A virtual house in ESO = $99. You see my problem here? With ESO, you get hundreds of hours of gameplay and fun. With a house, you get a virtual item to put other virtual items in, yet it costs 3 times more. What is Zenimax's logic behind this? Why are people buying this? How is this OK'd by the community? This kind of mentality unarguably spreads to the community's thinking and economy. Now it costs you close to 700k gold to craft 3 6 trait jewellery pieces.
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No, I don't see your problem, honestly. It's an offer. It's not necessary. Do you get upset when you walk by expensive homes in RL? Do you grumble when you see a pair of, I dunno, shoes that are 300€ or whatever?
Some folks very much enjoy the houses: crafting for them, shopping for them, decorating them, socialising in them, having contests etc. So to THEM, it's totally worth it. Go have a look at the housing forum. It's amazing what these folks can and are doing with their time and money and more power to 'em.
I could totally understand this were these things needed but they are not. They are just for fun.
@DieAlteHexe yes but that's not my point. My point is - you buy a car for $100, and then proceed to buy a car-radio for more than $300 because of all the radio stations you can listen to, and you're really into radio stations. You bought a vehicle, powered by an internal combustion engine, for less than 3 times less than an add-on for your vehicle to enjoy tunes. You see my problem now? I'm not trying to institute the devaluation of said car-radio. I'm not understanding the thinking behind the buying an add-on product for 3 times more than the original product which is clearly not the same value-for-money and being okay with it. It's not rhetorical, when I ask, how any functioning adult's logic doesn't see a red light when they see this trade?
You just described my first car...2 -
DieAlteHexe✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Pixel_Zealot wrote: »DieAlteHexe wrote: »Pixel_Zealot wrote: »DieAlteHexe wrote: »Pixel_Zealot wrote: »I'm probably going to sound like the "down with the man" guy. But, 1 000 000 gold/14 000 crowns for a virtual house? That's $99 for a virtual house in a game that currently costs $30? WTF? The crown store prices are ridiculous, I honestly refuse to believe that people are buying these items and tolerate it.
Zenimax's greed rolls over to the player base and influences the community negatively. Most of my friends who like MMO's as much as I do are constantly complaining about the obvious greed in ESO. Looking at these prices, I'm astounded there isn't more of an uproar.
Some do. I do, occasionally. It's a hobby. I don't party, don't drink, don't buy lots of shoes etc. Fill my petrol tank 4 times a year and pay €300 rent a month. I have disposable income and some of the stuff on offer here is where I choose to spend it. No crazier than going out and getting drunk.
That said, I'd like to see the prices a bit lower so that more folk could enjoy things. Seems like they could sell more if the prices weren't so dear.
@DieAlteHexe If you have the disposable income, good for you. That's not my point. If you have the cash to spend, do it 'til your heart's content. My point is. ESO = $30 currently (that's what I end up when I convert the price from my national currency to dollar). A virtual house in ESO = $99. You see my problem here? With ESO, you get hundreds of hours of gameplay and fun. With a house, you get a virtual item to put other virtual items in, yet it costs 3 times more. What is Zenimax's logic behind this? Why are people buying this? How is this OK'd by the community? This kind of mentality unarguably spreads to the community's thinking and economy. Now it costs you close to 700k gold to craft 3 6 trait jewellery pieces.
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No, I don't see your problem, honestly. It's an offer. It's not necessary. Do you get upset when you walk by expensive homes in RL? Do you grumble when you see a pair of, I dunno, shoes that are 300€ or whatever?
Some folks very much enjoy the houses: crafting for them, shopping for them, decorating them, socialising in them, having contests etc. So to THEM, it's totally worth it. Go have a look at the housing forum. It's amazing what these folks can and are doing with their time and money and more power to 'em.
I could totally understand this were these things needed but they are not. They are just for fun.
@DieAlteHexe yes but that's not my point. My point is - you buy a car for $100, and then proceed to buy a car-radio for more than $300 because of all the radio stations you can listen to, and you're really into radio stations. You bought a vehicle, powered by an internal combustion engine, for less than 3 times less than an add-on for your vehicle to enjoy tunes. You see my problem now? I'm not trying to institute the devaluation of said car-radio. I'm not understanding the thinking behind the buying an add-on product for 3 times more than the original product which is clearly not the same value-for-money and being okay with it. It's not rhetorical, when I ask, how any functioning adult's logic doesn't see a red light when they see this trade?
Buy a different car? This is kind of a wobbly analogy but let's go with it...
It all comes down to choice. These things are being offered and we can either buy them or not. If we wanted a "radio" we might maybe have looked for a "car" that already had a radio. Lacking that, because our "car" otherwise is something we really love... I think a better way to put this is the "car" currently has a nice sound system but there's nice faceplates that cover the dash insert and other uh things (I don't know what you'd call whatever would cover the sub-woofers, anyway...) . Sound system remains the same but you can make it prettier.
We all have the same sound system. Some of us just like rhinestones on them. We are willing to pay extra. This should not affect you one iota unless you're jealous of a brilliantly sparkly rhinestone faceplates.
It's not like we can crank it to 11. (wonder how many will get that?)
Dirty, filthy casual aka Nancy, the Wallet Warrior Carebear Potato Whale Snowflake1 -
DieAlteHexe✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭lordspyder wrote: »Pixel_Zealot wrote: »DieAlteHexe wrote: »Pixel_Zealot wrote: »DieAlteHexe wrote: »Pixel_Zealot wrote: »I'm probably going to sound like the "down with the man" guy. But, 1 000 000 gold/14 000 crowns for a virtual house? That's $99 for a virtual house in a game that currently costs $30? WTF? The crown store prices are ridiculous, I honestly refuse to believe that people are buying these items and tolerate it.
Zenimax's greed rolls over to the player base and influences the community negatively. Most of my friends who like MMO's as much as I do are constantly complaining about the obvious greed in ESO. Looking at these prices, I'm astounded there isn't more of an uproar.
Some do. I do, occasionally. It's a hobby. I don't party, don't drink, don't buy lots of shoes etc. Fill my petrol tank 4 times a year and pay €300 rent a month. I have disposable income and some of the stuff on offer here is where I choose to spend it. No crazier than going out and getting drunk.
That said, I'd like to see the prices a bit lower so that more folk could enjoy things. Seems like they could sell more if the prices weren't so dear.
@DieAlteHexe If you have the disposable income, good for you. That's not my point. If you have the cash to spend, do it 'til your heart's content. My point is. ESO = $30 currently (that's what I end up when I convert the price from my national currency to dollar). A virtual house in ESO = $99. You see my problem here? With ESO, you get hundreds of hours of gameplay and fun. With a house, you get a virtual item to put other virtual items in, yet it costs 3 times more. What is Zenimax's logic behind this? Why are people buying this? How is this OK'd by the community? This kind of mentality unarguably spreads to the community's thinking and economy. Now it costs you close to 700k gold to craft 3 6 trait jewellery pieces.
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No, I don't see your problem, honestly. It's an offer. It's not necessary. Do you get upset when you walk by expensive homes in RL? Do you grumble when you see a pair of, I dunno, shoes that are 300€ or whatever?
Some folks very much enjoy the houses: crafting for them, shopping for them, decorating them, socialising in them, having contests etc. So to THEM, it's totally worth it. Go have a look at the housing forum. It's amazing what these folks can and are doing with their time and money and more power to 'em.
I could totally understand this were these things needed but they are not. They are just for fun.
@DieAlteHexe yes but that's not my point. My point is - you buy a car for $100, and then proceed to buy a car-radio for more than $300 because of all the radio stations you can listen to, and you're really into radio stations. You bought a vehicle, powered by an internal combustion engine, for less than 3 times less than an add-on for your vehicle to enjoy tunes. You see my problem now? I'm not trying to institute the devaluation of said car-radio. I'm not understanding the thinking behind the buying an add-on product for 3 times more than the original product which is clearly not the same value-for-money and being okay with it. It's not rhetorical, when I ask, how any functioning adult's logic doesn't see a red light when they see this trade?
You just described my first car...
Hehehehe, mine didn't even have a radio but it did have push-button transmission!
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lordspyder✭✭✭✭✭DieAlteHexe wrote: »lordspyder wrote: »Pixel_Zealot wrote: »DieAlteHexe wrote: »Pixel_Zealot wrote: »DieAlteHexe wrote: »Pixel_Zealot wrote: »I'm probably going to sound like the "down with the man" guy. But, 1 000 000 gold/14 000 crowns for a virtual house? That's $99 for a virtual house in a game that currently costs $30? WTF? The crown store prices are ridiculous, I honestly refuse to believe that people are buying these items and tolerate it.
Zenimax's greed rolls over to the player base and influences the community negatively. Most of my friends who like MMO's as much as I do are constantly complaining about the obvious greed in ESO. Looking at these prices, I'm astounded there isn't more of an uproar.
Some do. I do, occasionally. It's a hobby. I don't party, don't drink, don't buy lots of shoes etc. Fill my petrol tank 4 times a year and pay €300 rent a month. I have disposable income and some of the stuff on offer here is where I choose to spend it. No crazier than going out and getting drunk.
That said, I'd like to see the prices a bit lower so that more folk could enjoy things. Seems like they could sell more if the prices weren't so dear.
@DieAlteHexe If you have the disposable income, good for you. That's not my point. If you have the cash to spend, do it 'til your heart's content. My point is. ESO = $30 currently (that's what I end up when I convert the price from my national currency to dollar). A virtual house in ESO = $99. You see my problem here? With ESO, you get hundreds of hours of gameplay and fun. With a house, you get a virtual item to put other virtual items in, yet it costs 3 times more. What is Zenimax's logic behind this? Why are people buying this? How is this OK'd by the community? This kind of mentality unarguably spreads to the community's thinking and economy. Now it costs you close to 700k gold to craft 3 6 trait jewellery pieces.
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No, I don't see your problem, honestly. It's an offer. It's not necessary. Do you get upset when you walk by expensive homes in RL? Do you grumble when you see a pair of, I dunno, shoes that are 300€ or whatever?
Some folks very much enjoy the houses: crafting for them, shopping for them, decorating them, socialising in them, having contests etc. So to THEM, it's totally worth it. Go have a look at the housing forum. It's amazing what these folks can and are doing with their time and money and more power to 'em.
I could totally understand this were these things needed but they are not. They are just for fun.
@DieAlteHexe yes but that's not my point. My point is - you buy a car for $100, and then proceed to buy a car-radio for more than $300 because of all the radio stations you can listen to, and you're really into radio stations. You bought a vehicle, powered by an internal combustion engine, for less than 3 times less than an add-on for your vehicle to enjoy tunes. You see my problem now? I'm not trying to institute the devaluation of said car-radio. I'm not understanding the thinking behind the buying an add-on product for 3 times more than the original product which is clearly not the same value-for-money and being okay with it. It's not rhetorical, when I ask, how any functioning adult's logic doesn't see a red light when they see this trade?
You just described my first car...
Hehehehe, mine didn't even have a radio but it did have push-button transmission!
Mine didn't come with one, but I was working at Circuit City, So I had one installed, It cost like $1500 when all said and done. The car cost less than $3000 -
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✭✭lordspyder wrote: »DieAlteHexe wrote: »lordspyder wrote: »Pixel_Zealot wrote: »DieAlteHexe wrote: »Pixel_Zealot wrote: »DieAlteHexe wrote: »Pixel_Zealot wrote: »I'm probably going to sound like the "down with the man" guy. But, 1 000 000 gold/14 000 crowns for a virtual house? That's $99 for a virtual house in a game that currently costs $30? WTF? The crown store prices are ridiculous, I honestly refuse to believe that people are buying these items and tolerate it.
Zenimax's greed rolls over to the player base and influences the community negatively. Most of my friends who like MMO's as much as I do are constantly complaining about the obvious greed in ESO. Looking at these prices, I'm astounded there isn't more of an uproar.
Some do. I do, occasionally. It's a hobby. I don't party, don't drink, don't buy lots of shoes etc. Fill my petrol tank 4 times a year and pay €300 rent a month. I have disposable income and some of the stuff on offer here is where I choose to spend it. No crazier than going out and getting drunk.
That said, I'd like to see the prices a bit lower so that more folk could enjoy things. Seems like they could sell more if the prices weren't so dear.
@DieAlteHexe If you have the disposable income, good for you. That's not my point. If you have the cash to spend, do it 'til your heart's content. My point is. ESO = $30 currently (that's what I end up when I convert the price from my national currency to dollar). A virtual house in ESO = $99. You see my problem here? With ESO, you get hundreds of hours of gameplay and fun. With a house, you get a virtual item to put other virtual items in, yet it costs 3 times more. What is Zenimax's logic behind this? Why are people buying this? How is this OK'd by the community? This kind of mentality unarguably spreads to the community's thinking and economy. Now it costs you close to 700k gold to craft 3 6 trait jewellery pieces.
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No, I don't see your problem, honestly. It's an offer. It's not necessary. Do you get upset when you walk by expensive homes in RL? Do you grumble when you see a pair of, I dunno, shoes that are 300€ or whatever?
Some folks very much enjoy the houses: crafting for them, shopping for them, decorating them, socialising in them, having contests etc. So to THEM, it's totally worth it. Go have a look at the housing forum. It's amazing what these folks can and are doing with their time and money and more power to 'em.
I could totally understand this were these things needed but they are not. They are just for fun.
@DieAlteHexe yes but that's not my point. My point is - you buy a car for $100, and then proceed to buy a car-radio for more than $300 because of all the radio stations you can listen to, and you're really into radio stations. You bought a vehicle, powered by an internal combustion engine, for less than 3 times less than an add-on for your vehicle to enjoy tunes. You see my problem now? I'm not trying to institute the devaluation of said car-radio. I'm not understanding the thinking behind the buying an add-on product for 3 times more than the original product which is clearly not the same value-for-money and being okay with it. It's not rhetorical, when I ask, how any functioning adult's logic doesn't see a red light when they see this trade?
You just described my first car...
Hehehehe, mine didn't even have a radio but it did have push-button transmission!
Mine didn't come with one, but I was working at Circuit City, So I had one installed, It cost like $1500 when all said and done. The car cost less than $300
Heh. This was many years pre-Circuit City. I might've done the same had that been an option. This was pre-anything but radio. Oh who am I kidding, I would have. No doubt.
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Pixel_Zealot✭✭✭✭DieAlteHexe wrote: »Pixel_Zealot wrote: »DieAlteHexe wrote: »Pixel_Zealot wrote: »DieAlteHexe wrote: »Pixel_Zealot wrote: »I'm probably going to sound like the "down with the man" guy. But, 1 000 000 gold/14 000 crowns for a virtual house? That's $99 for a virtual house in a game that currently costs $30? WTF? The crown store prices are ridiculous, I honestly refuse to believe that people are buying these items and tolerate it.
Zenimax's greed rolls over to the player base and influences the community negatively. Most of my friends who like MMO's as much as I do are constantly complaining about the obvious greed in ESO. Looking at these prices, I'm astounded there isn't more of an uproar.
Some do. I do, occasionally. It's a hobby. I don't party, don't drink, don't buy lots of shoes etc. Fill my petrol tank 4 times a year and pay €300 rent a month. I have disposable income and some of the stuff on offer here is where I choose to spend it. No crazier than going out and getting drunk.
That said, I'd like to see the prices a bit lower so that more folk could enjoy things. Seems like they could sell more if the prices weren't so dear.
@DieAlteHexe If you have the disposable income, good for you. That's not my point. If you have the cash to spend, do it 'til your heart's content. My point is. ESO = $30 currently (that's what I end up when I convert the price from my national currency to dollar). A virtual house in ESO = $99. You see my problem here? With ESO, you get hundreds of hours of gameplay and fun. With a house, you get a virtual item to put other virtual items in, yet it costs 3 times more. What is Zenimax's logic behind this? Why are people buying this? How is this OK'd by the community? This kind of mentality unarguably spreads to the community's thinking and economy. Now it costs you close to 700k gold to craft 3 6 trait jewellery pieces.
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No, I don't see your problem, honestly. It's an offer. It's not necessary. Do you get upset when you walk by expensive homes in RL? Do you grumble when you see a pair of, I dunno, shoes that are 300€ or whatever?
Some folks very much enjoy the houses: crafting for them, shopping for them, decorating them, socialising in them, having contests etc. So to THEM, it's totally worth it. Go have a look at the housing forum. It's amazing what these folks can and are doing with their time and money and more power to 'em.
I could totally understand this were these things needed but they are not. They are just for fun.
@DieAlteHexe yes but that's not my point. My point is - you buy a car for $100, and then proceed to buy a car-radio for more than $300 because of all the radio stations you can listen to, and you're really into radio stations. You bought a vehicle, powered by an internal combustion engine, for less than 3 times less than an add-on for your vehicle to enjoy tunes. You see my problem now? I'm not trying to institute the devaluation of said car-radio. I'm not understanding the thinking behind the buying an add-on product for 3 times more than the original product which is clearly not the same value-for-money and being okay with it. It's not rhetorical, when I ask, how any functioning adult's logic doesn't see a red light when they see this trade?
Buy a different car? This is kind of a wobbly analogy but let's go with it...
It all comes down to choice. These things are being offered and we can either buy them or not. If we wanted a "radio" we might maybe have looked for a "car" that already had a radio. Lacking that, because our "car" otherwise is something we really love... I think a better way to put this is the "car" currently has a nice sound system but there's nice faceplates that cover the dash insert and other uh things (I don't know what you'd call whatever would cover the sub-woofers, anyway...) . Sound system remains the same but you can make it prettier.
We all have the same sound system. Some of us just like rhinestones on them. We are willing to pay extra. This should not affect you one iota unless you're jealous of a brilliantly sparkly rhinestone faceplates.
It's not like we can crank it to 11. (wonder how many will get that?)
Yes. But why would you spend $100 dollar on a car, and more than $300 on rhinestones?
At the end of the day. ESO base game = $30. Coldharbour 'house' = $99/14 000 crowns.
A house in the game is more than 3 times more than the base game of it. I don't know why I'm trying to explain that thinking is asinine. Cheers.
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Tostiee✭✭✭lordspyder wrote: »
Y'all just don't know how good you really have it. That is a sale and only usable on one character. I'm not too concerned about the prices here...
Showing a even worse scam doesn't make a slightly cheaper one any better.. Some things cost but this is too much along with that one you linked they are both terrible prices..
Oh you want to see scam, well here it is
https://variety.com/2018/gaming/news/star-citizen-27000-pack-1202825654/
The backer's for star citizen actually asked for a pack like that or something similar. They brought out that pack because it was in demand of fans and thats why they did it. You also have to have backed atleast a 1000$ before you can access that packXbox One EUCP 1000+
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✭✭✭lordspyder wrote: »
Y'all just don't know how good you really have it. That is a sale and only usable on one character. I'm not too concerned about the prices here...
Showing a even worse scam doesn't make a slightly cheaper one any better.. Some things cost but this is too much along with that one you linked they are both terrible prices..
Oh you want to see scam, well here it is
https://variety.com/2018/gaming/news/star-citizen-27000-pack-1202825654/
The backer's for star citizen actually asked for a pack like that or something similar. They brought out that pack because it was in demand of fans and thats why they did it. You also have to have backed atleast a 1000$ before you can access that pack
Yeah, 30 grand on a game still in alpha for the past 7 years, no thanks0 -
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✭✭Pixel_Zealot wrote: »DieAlteHexe wrote: »Pixel_Zealot wrote: »DieAlteHexe wrote: »Pixel_Zealot wrote: »DieAlteHexe wrote: »Pixel_Zealot wrote: »I'm probably going to sound like the "down with the man" guy. But, 1 000 000 gold/14 000 crowns for a virtual house? That's $99 for a virtual house in a game that currently costs $30? WTF? The crown store prices are ridiculous, I honestly refuse to believe that people are buying these items and tolerate it.
Zenimax's greed rolls over to the player base and influences the community negatively. Most of my friends who like MMO's as much as I do are constantly complaining about the obvious greed in ESO. Looking at these prices, I'm astounded there isn't more of an uproar.
Some do. I do, occasionally. It's a hobby. I don't party, don't drink, don't buy lots of shoes etc. Fill my petrol tank 4 times a year and pay €300 rent a month. I have disposable income and some of the stuff on offer here is where I choose to spend it. No crazier than going out and getting drunk.
That said, I'd like to see the prices a bit lower so that more folk could enjoy things. Seems like they could sell more if the prices weren't so dear.
@DieAlteHexe If you have the disposable income, good for you. That's not my point. If you have the cash to spend, do it 'til your heart's content. My point is. ESO = $30 currently (that's what I end up when I convert the price from my national currency to dollar). A virtual house in ESO = $99. You see my problem here? With ESO, you get hundreds of hours of gameplay and fun. With a house, you get a virtual item to put other virtual items in, yet it costs 3 times more. What is Zenimax's logic behind this? Why are people buying this? How is this OK'd by the community? This kind of mentality unarguably spreads to the community's thinking and economy. Now it costs you close to 700k gold to craft 3 6 trait jewellery pieces.
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No, I don't see your problem, honestly. It's an offer. It's not necessary. Do you get upset when you walk by expensive homes in RL? Do you grumble when you see a pair of, I dunno, shoes that are 300€ or whatever?
Some folks very much enjoy the houses: crafting for them, shopping for them, decorating them, socialising in them, having contests etc. So to THEM, it's totally worth it. Go have a look at the housing forum. It's amazing what these folks can and are doing with their time and money and more power to 'em.
I could totally understand this were these things needed but they are not. They are just for fun.
@DieAlteHexe yes but that's not my point. My point is - you buy a car for $100, and then proceed to buy a car-radio for more than $300 because of all the radio stations you can listen to, and you're really into radio stations. You bought a vehicle, powered by an internal combustion engine, for less than 3 times less than an add-on for your vehicle to enjoy tunes. You see my problem now? I'm not trying to institute the devaluation of said car-radio. I'm not understanding the thinking behind the buying an add-on product for 3 times more than the original product which is clearly not the same value-for-money and being okay with it. It's not rhetorical, when I ask, how any functioning adult's logic doesn't see a red light when they see this trade?
Buy a different car? This is kind of a wobbly analogy but let's go with it...
It all comes down to choice. These things are being offered and we can either buy them or not. If we wanted a "radio" we might maybe have looked for a "car" that already had a radio. Lacking that, because our "car" otherwise is something we really love... I think a better way to put this is the "car" currently has a nice sound system but there's nice faceplates that cover the dash insert and other uh things (I don't know what you'd call whatever would cover the sub-woofers, anyway...) . Sound system remains the same but you can make it prettier.
We all have the same sound system. Some of us just like rhinestones on them. We are willing to pay extra. This should not affect you one iota unless you're jealous of a brilliantly sparkly rhinestone faceplates.
It's not like we can crank it to 11. (wonder how many will get that?)
Yes. But why would you spend $100 dollar on a car, and more than $300 on rhinestones?
At the end of the day. ESO base game = $30. Coldharbour 'house' = $99/14 000 crowns.
A house in the game is more than 3 times more than the base game of it. I don't know why I'm trying to explain that thinking is asinine. Cheers.
Easy. The car does what I need/want it to do. The game is fine without all the frippery, no doubt. I would still play it but some of the frippery is fun. Just like that rhinestone faceplate.
I don't know why you're trying to explain it either. It's not a difficult concept, I understand, I just happen to have a differing view and since it's not mandatory to buy rhinestone faceplates, and it's understood by most to be cosmetic and fun, I don't have an issue with them spending the money on it. Again, IF it ever comes to having to spend money to play the game then I'd be out of here in a heartbeat. But this is extra, not needed, fun for some. I'm happy to let it be.
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Yuls✭✭✭✭Pixel_Zealot wrote: »
Yes. But why would you spend $100 dollar on a car, and more than $300 on rhinestones?
At the end of the day. ESO base game = $30. Coldharbour 'house' = $99/14 000 crowns.
A house in the game is more than 3 times more than the base game of it. I don't know why I'm trying to explain that thinking is asinine. Cheers.
I rather have a cheaper game with a healthy playerbase lots of people can afford and play, and live with the high costs for cosmetic stuff I don't need to play said game. We had the sub-only period with no crown/crate/etc stuff, turns out it didn't work.
Having said that, some of the prices are a tad ridiculous lately. *totally looking at you, new store offerings*
I want that crab, but 1200 crowns, nope. So I don't buy it. And play the game I still like, without a shiny crab companion. I will survive.
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✭✭✭Pixel_Zealot wrote: »DieAlteHexe wrote: »Pixel_Zealot wrote: »I'm probably going to sound like the "down with the man" guy. But, 1 000 000 gold/14 000 crowns for a virtual house? That's $99 for a virtual house in a game that currently costs $30? WTF? The crown store prices are ridiculous, I honestly refuse to believe that people are buying these items and tolerate it.
Zenimax's greed rolls over to the player base and influences the community negatively. Most of my friends who like MMO's as much as I do are constantly complaining about the obvious greed in ESO. Looking at these prices, I'm astounded there isn't more of an uproar.
Some do. I do, occasionally. It's a hobby. I don't party, don't drink, don't buy lots of shoes etc. Fill my petrol tank 4 times a year and pay €300 rent a month. I have disposable income and some of the stuff on offer here is where I choose to spend it. No crazier than going out and getting drunk.
That said, I'd like to see the prices a bit lower so that more folk could enjoy things. Seems like they could sell more if the prices weren't so dear.
@DieAlteHexe If you have the disposable income, good for you. That's not my point. If you have the cash to spend, do it 'til your heart's content. My point is. ESO = $30 currently (that's what I end up when I convert the price from my national currency to dollar). A virtual house in ESO = $99. You see my problem here? With ESO, you get hundreds of hours of gameplay and fun. With a house, you get a virtual item to put other virtual items in, yet it costs 3 times more. What is Zenimax's logic behind this? Why are people buying this? How is this OK'd by the community? This kind of mentality unarguably spreads to the community's thinking and economy. Now it costs you close to 700k gold to craft 3 6 trait jewellery pieces.Pixel_Zealot wrote: »I'm probably going to sound like the "down with the man" guy. But, 1 000 000 gold/14 000 crowns for a virtual house? That's $99 for a virtual house in a game that currently costs $30? WTF? The crown store prices are ridiculous, I honestly refuse to believe that people are buying these items and tolerate it.
Zenimax's greed rolls over to the player base and influences the community negatively. Most of my friends who like MMO's as much as I do are constantly complaining about the obvious greed in ESO. Looking at these prices, I'm astounded there isn't more of an uproar.
I think the majority of people find the prices to be asinine, but Zos is careful about keeping things cosmetic, so most people just grumble and look the other way. That, and they have done multiple half-off sales of crowns, usually around December.
@srfrogg23 Even if it is cosmetic. Some cosmetic items are 3 times more expensive than the base game. How can you possibly look the other way when you press the buy button? I can understand when something is a little expensive. But it's obvious how we're being overcharged. I paid R600 (my national currency) for the base game. Morrowind and Summerset each cost the same price the base game costs individually without 1/4 of the amount of content the base game offered. I don't understand how people can just "grumble and look away" when it's so obvious you're being immensely overcharged.
Don’t get me wrong. I agree, the prices for these cosmetics are pretty obscene. I think the balance here is that the playable content tends to be relatively cheap.
(Sorry, I don’t know what the exchange rate is with your country’s currency so I’m just using US$)
As you said, the game itself is only $30. The newest expansion is only $30, and it even came with a free copy of the last expansion if it was preordered. New zones tend to be $20 or less. So, when it comes to the stuff that you can actually do, as opposed to just look at, it’s usually a pretty good price for what you’re getting.
I think, as long as they keep the playable content affordable, people will be more tolerant of the ridiculous prices for the cosmetic only items.1 -
Tostiee✭✭✭lordspyder wrote: »
Y'all just don't know how good you really have it. That is a sale and only usable on one character. I'm not too concerned about the prices here...
Showing a even worse scam doesn't make a slightly cheaper one any better.. Some things cost but this is too much along with that one you linked they are both terrible prices..
Oh you want to see scam, well here it is
https://variety.com/2018/gaming/news/star-citizen-27000-pack-1202825654/
The backer's for star citizen actually asked for a pack like that or something similar. They brought out that pack because it was in demand of fans and thats why they did it. You also have to have backed atleast a 1000$ before you can access that pack
Yeah, 30 grand on a game still in alpha for the past 7 years, no thanks
Thats not the point. You are just saying its a scam etc, you are giving wrong info by your own biased opinion. Backers wanted that package, how can that be a scam?Xbox One EUCP 1000+
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Orticia✭✭✭✭I agree the prices for cosmetic stuff are getting out of hand. Though honestly for me they already were from the get go and getting even more over the top. But to much or way to much, both amounts to the exact same thing... no buy.
Simply means I am not their target audience with this stuff (even though i like a lot of said stuff) and likely never will be. I am not against buying digital fluff goods and have done plenty of times in the past in other games, but not close to willing to buy anything at those prices. No matter how awesome the thing is. I for myself can never justify paying that much for in game goods as it is way askew with what I can get in real life for that same money. But if they raise their prices to high there won't be much/any target audience left.Edited by Orticia on June 5, 2018 2:41PM5 -
I think the prices are expensive but then as I have never played an MMO before I really have nothing to compare with
Having said that I would buy something (and have) if it appealed to me but I budget how much I can afford to spend
It's no good trying to persuade others to your point of view for or against though - people will want what they want and for some adding new costumes, mounts etc adds something to their game if not yours
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Kalgert✭✭✭✭✭BaneOfBattler wrote: »It's almost like it's purely cosmetic and not required to enjoy the game.
Heheh... Heh...
HAHAHAHHAHAAAAH!
Oh, sorry, I just find this line of thinking to be very amusing from the "Is just cosmetic!" people. Makes me think back to one of Jim Sterling's videos where he pretty much asks a pretty good question.
I will make my spin on the question: In the scenario that ESO's races didn't have racial passives, ultimately only being "Cosmetic choices", I ask you this: Would you still enjoy the game, if you were bogged down with only ONE race to choose from, that being Argonian, and then have to pay X amount of crowns to play something that you really wanted to play, let's say an Orc.
I don't know what you believe, but cosmetic items do very much affect people's enjoyment. Because, guess what, people like to stand out with different styles, and saying "it's just cosmetic and not needed to enjoy a game" pretty much devalues the cosmetics, AND it kinda suggests that people wanting to look different are fools for wanting to stand out.Peekachu99 wrote: »Peekachu99 wrote: »Really? The Aurorans were done VERY poorly. It probably should’ve been a polymorph if anything.
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ESO....
It’s barely even the same thing.
Oh and that costume will cost you $20.
Costume is 2000 Crowns. The matching horse is 3000 Crowns.
To get both will cost you 5000 Crowns.
Speak with your wallets people.
You can’t dye a polymorph (though you should be able to, but that’s another matter). Value is also subjective and people really need to stop telling others what they should and shouldn’t like—too much of that in society these days.
I’m buying both outfit and steed as soon as my download is finished.
I can see why people would take issue with others buying something that they see as a "Bad deal", and if you ask me, 5k for a costume and horse isn't the best of deals. Probably at half value and I would find it acceptable.
People are worried that if Zenimax sees that these poor value items are selling really well, they will start pushing the bar even further, until we may end up eventually reaching the point where they are selling costumes and horses at a much more expensive price, and maybe even other things.
I mean, they're probably already doing that with how there are motif pages scattered about in the next Crown Crates, and I can see that people aren't all too happy with that idea.
But I wasn’t asking you. That’s the point I was getting at: all this unsolicited advice and prognostication. If it’s a bad value, people won’t buy it and it’ll go on sale/ get rolled into a crown crate—the end. ZOS has internal metrics and accounting that none of us here will ever see. So it’s fine to discuss the item and explain its percieved value as it applies to you. However, these broader declarations and decrements get on my nerves.
Well, y'know what? It gets on my nerves when people buy expensive, fairly poor value items, either in spite of people, or because they want to.
I mean, sure, go and buy it, but don't then act surprised when more mundane outfits and services start costing a heap of crowns. I mean hey, you're likely going to buy it anyway because "It's your money".
Sterling may be right sometimes, but you made a poor example there. You should be ashamed. We are talking cosmetics, not races and its passives. You are wrong. You cant compare core game mechanics with a costume, You are WRONG.
I am not at all wrong.
And I was talking about the scenario of Races NOT having any passives, and considering all the races can have the exact same skills and abilities, they can ultimately be considered as cosmetic choices.
This is the video I was hinting at:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ce5CDrq4dGg
Watch the video between 10:10 and 10:50, and you will see what I'm talking about. His example may be as silly as mine, but it's perfectly valid.
"Imagine where the character creation screen only had Argonians for you to play" is a perfectly valid question to ask someone, who thinks that cosmetics do not impact one's enjoyment of the game (Something that the person I quoted was pretty much stating).4 -
Kalgert✭✭✭✭✭Pixel_Zealot wrote: »DieAlteHexe wrote: »Pixel_Zealot wrote: »DieAlteHexe wrote: »Pixel_Zealot wrote: »I'm probably going to sound like the "down with the man" guy. But, 1 000 000 gold/14 000 crowns for a virtual house? That's $99 for a virtual house in a game that currently costs $30? WTF? The crown store prices are ridiculous, I honestly refuse to believe that people are buying these items and tolerate it.
Zenimax's greed rolls over to the player base and influences the community negatively. Most of my friends who like MMO's as much as I do are constantly complaining about the obvious greed in ESO. Looking at these prices, I'm astounded there isn't more of an uproar.
Some do. I do, occasionally. It's a hobby. I don't party, don't drink, don't buy lots of shoes etc. Fill my petrol tank 4 times a year and pay €300 rent a month. I have disposable income and some of the stuff on offer here is where I choose to spend it. No crazier than going out and getting drunk.
That said, I'd like to see the prices a bit lower so that more folk could enjoy things. Seems like they could sell more if the prices weren't so dear.
@DieAlteHexe If you have the disposable income, good for you. That's not my point. If you have the cash to spend, do it 'til your heart's content. My point is. ESO = $30 currently (that's what I end up when I convert the price from my national currency to dollar). A virtual house in ESO = $99. You see my problem here? With ESO, you get hundreds of hours of gameplay and fun. With a house, you get a virtual item to put other virtual items in, yet it costs 3 times more. What is Zenimax's logic behind this? Why are people buying this? How is this OK'd by the community? This kind of mentality unarguably spreads to the community's thinking and economy. Now it costs you close to 700k gold to craft 3 6 trait jewellery pieces.
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No, I don't see your problem, honestly. It's an offer. It's not necessary. Do you get upset when you walk by expensive homes in RL? Do you grumble when you see a pair of, I dunno, shoes that are 300€ or whatever?
Some folks very much enjoy the houses: crafting for them, shopping for them, decorating them, socialising in them, having contests etc. So to THEM, it's totally worth it. Go have a look at the housing forum. It's amazing what these folks can and are doing with their time and money and more power to 'em.
I could totally understand this were these things needed but they are not. They are just for fun.
@DieAlteHexe yes but that's not my point. My point is - you buy a car for $100, and then proceed to buy a car-radio for more than $300 because of all the radio stations you can listen to, and you're really into radio stations. You bought a vehicle, powered by an internal combustion engine, for less than 3 times less than an add-on for your vehicle to enjoy tunes. You see my problem now? I'm not trying to institute the devaluation of said car-radio. I'm not understanding the thinking behind the buying an add-on product for 3 times more than the original product which is clearly not the same value-for-money and being okay with it. It's not rhetorical, when I ask, how any functioning adult's logic doesn't see a red light when they see this trade?
You know, the expensive add-on debarcle actually reminds me of something my classmate repeatedly kept talking about. How in Arabia, unless something is clad in gold and diamonds, it has about as much worth as a packed sandwich.
Maybe Zenimax is going by the same principle: The game's the packed sandwich, while the costumes and everything else are the gold and diamonds.
And it's just downright ridiculous.0