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Spyware and consequences
Getern
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Its new thing for me and I am just curious. Did anyone already sued or planning to sue Zenimax? After all their practice was illegal at least in Europe.
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DuskMarine✭✭✭✭✭
✭Its new thing for me and I am just curious. Did anyone already sued or planning to sue Zenimax? After all their practice was illegal at least in Europe.
anti spyware its a life and time saver. sueing over a tiny pieace of spyware that you can easily remove just isnt worth the time or the money youll pay out more than youd make4 -
Nestor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It is being removed on Monday with the next update.
There is nothing actionable even if a lawsuit over this was feasible. Feasible as in no lawyer would touch it as there were no damages incured by a user so nothing to base a case on.Enjoy the game, life is what you really want to be worried about.
PakKat "Everything was going well, until I died"
Gary Gravestink "I am glad you died, I needed the help"2 -
DuskMarine✭✭✭✭✭
✭ManwithBeard9 wrote: »Wasnt spyware, wasnt active.
my antispyware got a hit but it wasnt anything actually harmful so really it aint that bad0 -
ManwithBeard9✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭DuskMarine wrote: »ManwithBeard9 wrote: »Wasnt spyware, wasnt active.
my antispyware got a hit but it wasnt anything actually harmful so really it aint that bad
Steam has been using it for over a year, seems like its a lot of hyperbole to call it spyware.2 -
DuskMarine✭✭✭✭✭
✭ManwithBeard9 wrote: »DuskMarine wrote: »ManwithBeard9 wrote: »Wasnt spyware, wasnt active.
my antispyware got a hit but it wasnt anything actually harmful so really it aint that bad
Steam has been using it for over a year, seems like its a lot of hyperbole to call it spyware.
i dont use steam so0 -
ManwithBeard9✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭DuskMarine wrote: »ManwithBeard9 wrote: »DuskMarine wrote: »ManwithBeard9 wrote: »Wasnt spyware, wasnt active.
my antispyware got a hit but it wasnt anything actually harmful so really it aint that bad
Steam has been using it for over a year, seems like its a lot of hyperbole to call it spyware.
i dont use steam so
So what? The same product is on millions of computers already, its not spyware.1 -
DuskMarine✭✭✭✭✭
✭ManwithBeard9 wrote: »DuskMarine wrote: »ManwithBeard9 wrote: »DuskMarine wrote: »ManwithBeard9 wrote: »Wasnt spyware, wasnt active.
my antispyware got a hit but it wasnt anything actually harmful so really it aint that bad
Steam has been using it for over a year, seems like its a lot of hyperbole to call it spyware.
i dont use steam so
So what? The same product is on millions of computers already, its not spyware.
nothing on my computer is by the name that they added so really thats a bunch of bs.0 -
Belegnole✭✭✭✭✭rofl...the idea that because a large company uses it makes it ok is just too funny.
The other one I find funny is that everyone is doing it so it's ok.
Edited by Belegnole on June 2, 2018 8:18PM12 -
Gythral✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭ManwithBeard9 wrote: »DuskMarine wrote: »ManwithBeard9 wrote: »DuskMarine wrote: »ManwithBeard9 wrote: »Wasnt spyware, wasnt active.
my antispyware got a hit but it wasnt anything actually harmful so really it aint that bad
Steam has been using it for over a year, seems like its a lot of hyperbole to call it spyware.
i dont use steam so
So what? The same product is on millions of computers already, its not spyware.
It is spyware, by simple definition, it is spying on your non-gaming activity (simply to make someone richer)
the real question is is it malicious or just a plain annoyance that wont make marketing better just waste users bandwidth!
“Be as a tower, that, firmly set,
Shakes not its top for any blast that blows!”
Dante Alighieri, The Divine Comedy1 -
DuskMarine✭✭✭✭✭
✭ManwithBeard9 wrote: »
not really they havent faced any yet. the way laws are changing nowadays they could face issues in the near future.0 -
Belegnole✭✭✭✭✭ManwithBeard9 wrote: »
Do you mean ok as in not against the law? Or do you mean it's not morally and ethically objectionable?
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ManwithBeard9✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭ManwithBeard9 wrote: »
Do you mean ok as in not against the law? Or do you mean it's not morally and ethically objectionable?
Law, because thats the only thing that matters. If you dont like it, you can leave, or waste years trying to put it through the courts.1 -
DuskMarine✭✭✭✭✭
✭ManwithBeard9 wrote: »ManwithBeard9 wrote: »
Do you mean ok as in not against the law? Or do you mean it's not morally and ethically objectionable?
Law, because thats the only thing that matters. If you dont like it, you can leave, or waste years trying to put it through the courts.
well some countries once its found do sue companies and demand it disappear it just depends where their at. i mean jeeze look what happened with ea and lootboxes0 -
ManwithBeard9✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭DuskMarine wrote: »ManwithBeard9 wrote: »ManwithBeard9 wrote: »
Do you mean ok as in not against the law? Or do you mean it's not morally and ethically objectionable?
Law, because thats the only thing that matters. If you dont like it, you can leave, or waste years trying to put it through the courts.
well some countries once its found do sue companies and demand it disappear it just depends where their at. i mean jeeze look what happened with ea and lootboxes
That wasnt because of laws, that was becuase of a HUGE amount of bad press. They were afraid it was gonna hurt the bottom line, not because of lawsuits.0 -
EasyTiger✭✭✭ManwithBeard9 wrote: »DuskMarine wrote: »ManwithBeard9 wrote: »Wasnt spyware, wasnt active.
my antispyware got a hit but it wasnt anything actually harmful so really it aint that bad
Steam has been using it for over a year, seems like its a lot of hyperbole to call it spyware.
Where is it in steam? I can't find the file anywhere0 -
DuskMarine✭✭✭✭✭
✭ManwithBeard9 wrote: »DuskMarine wrote: »ManwithBeard9 wrote: »ManwithBeard9 wrote: »
Do you mean ok as in not against the law? Or do you mean it's not morally and ethically objectionable?
Law, because thats the only thing that matters. If you dont like it, you can leave, or waste years trying to put it through the courts.
well some countries once its found do sue companies and demand it disappear it just depends where their at. i mean jeeze look what happened with ea and lootboxes
That wasnt because of laws, that was becuase of a HUGE amount of bad press. They were afraid it was gonna hurt the bottom line, not because of lawsuits.
no actually that came up as violating certain laws in different countries. you actually have to do your homework with this as the US has completely different laws than anywhere else.1 -
Belegnole✭✭✭✭✭I thought that may be the case.
As of the implementation of gdpr, it appears that ZOS may have in fact broken the law in the EU. Seeing how a number of people have made complaints through official channels I think it best that the officials handle it.
There are numerous types of spyware, most of which is currently legal. However new laws are forcing transparency and for the default setting to be opt out without the loss of use of the program.1 -
Colecovision✭✭✭✭✭
✭No in the US for sure. We're fighting for even the most basic concept of internet neutrality. Something like this isn't remotely illegal. My suspicion is European law is the only reason they are removing it.
No matter how strict those laws are, I can't imagine it being that big of a deal if it really wasn't active. I'm just guessing but, "We didn't actually do anything and no data was collected" must be a seriously strong defense.0 -
EasyTiger✭✭✭ManwithBeard9 wrote: »DuskMarine wrote: »ManwithBeard9 wrote: »Wasnt spyware, wasnt active.
my antispyware got a hit but it wasnt anything actually harmful so really it aint that bad
Steam has been using it for over a year, seems like its a lot of hyperbole to call it spyware.
Where is it in steam? I can't find the file anywhere
In fact I can't find any evidence Steam have partnered with redshell anywhereEdited by EasyTiger on June 2, 2018 8:40PM0 -
DuskMarine✭✭✭✭✭
✭I thought that may be the case.
As of the implementation of gdpr, it appears that ZOS may have in fact broken the law in the EU. Seeing how a number of people have made complaints through official channels I think it best that the officials handle it.
There are numerous types of spyware, most of which is currently legal. However new laws are forcing transparency and for the default setting to be opt out without the loss of use of the program.
itll get fixed im sure0 -
ManwithBeard9✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭ManwithBeard9 wrote: »DuskMarine wrote: »ManwithBeard9 wrote: »Wasnt spyware, wasnt active.
my antispyware got a hit but it wasnt anything actually harmful so really it aint that bad
Steam has been using it for over a year, seems like its a lot of hyperbole to call it spyware.
Where is it in steam? I can't find the file anywhere
In fact I can't find any evidence Steam have partnered with redshell anywhere
https://venturebeat.com/2017/06/01/red-shell-is-a-new-tool-to-help-steam-devs-track-who-is-buying-their-games/0 -
Gythral✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭DuskMarine wrote: »... you actually have to do your homework with this as the US has completely different laws than anywhere else.
Isnt it usually
Dont Get Caught
“Be as a tower, that, firmly set,
Shakes not its top for any blast that blows!”
Dante Alighieri, The Divine Comedy0 -
EasyTiger✭✭✭ManwithBeard9 wrote: »ManwithBeard9 wrote: »DuskMarine wrote: »ManwithBeard9 wrote: »Wasnt spyware, wasnt active.
my antispyware got a hit but it wasnt anything actually harmful so really it aint that bad
Steam has been using it for over a year, seems like its a lot of hyperbole to call it spyware.
Where is it in steam? I can't find the file anywhere
In fact I can't find any evidence Steam have partnered with redshell anywhere
https://venturebeat.com/2017/06/01/red-shell-is-a-new-tool-to-help-steam-devs-track-who-is-buying-their-games/
That's a world away from claiming Steam aka Valve is using redshell. Redshell is a service being offered to Steam developers.0 -
ManwithBeard9✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭ManwithBeard9 wrote: »ManwithBeard9 wrote: »DuskMarine wrote: »ManwithBeard9 wrote: »Wasnt spyware, wasnt active.
my antispyware got a hit but it wasnt anything actually harmful so really it aint that bad
Steam has been using it for over a year, seems like its a lot of hyperbole to call it spyware.
Where is it in steam? I can't find the file anywhere
In fact I can't find any evidence Steam have partnered with redshell anywhere
https://venturebeat.com/2017/06/01/red-shell-is-a-new-tool-to-help-steam-devs-track-who-is-buying-their-games/
That's a world away from claiming Steam aka Valve is using redshell. Redshell is a service being offered to Steam developers.
So its still getting OKed by Steam/Vavle? So the enormous company has no legal issues with it?0 -
EasyTiger✭✭✭ManwithBeard9 wrote: »ManwithBeard9 wrote: »ManwithBeard9 wrote: »DuskMarine wrote: »ManwithBeard9 wrote: »Wasnt spyware, wasnt active.
my antispyware got a hit but it wasnt anything actually harmful so really it aint that bad
Steam has been using it for over a year, seems like its a lot of hyperbole to call it spyware.
Where is it in steam? I can't find the file anywhere
In fact I can't find any evidence Steam have partnered with redshell anywhere
https://venturebeat.com/2017/06/01/red-shell-is-a-new-tool-to-help-steam-devs-track-who-is-buying-their-games/
That's a world away from claiming Steam aka Valve is using redshell. Redshell is a service being offered to Steam developers.
So its still getting OKed by Steam/Vavle? So the enormous company has no legal issues with it?
Where did Valve give their stamp of approval for this 3rd party software?0
