3 proc sets = hate whisper

heng14rwb17_ESO

Every day i use to only get 1 or 2 hate whisper.
But now when i change my build to use 3 proc sets, the hate whisper sky rockets to many.

I dont wan to turn this into a flaming thread so i will keep the proc sets a secret but one of them start with a letter 'S'

Tonnopesce

So what's the point of the discussion again?

RobbieRocket

A thread devoid of meaning, explanation or clarity to help show contrast with average, fair, good and excellent threads?

Turelus

Continue using the sets if you're winning and that's your goal.

As long as you're not exploiting or cheating in ways the game developers didn't intend then everything is fair in PvP, those complaining in whispers have just not moved out of the "scrub* mentality" as per link below.

I used to be the same, complain about cheap builds in games, how play by a moral code etc. then complain when others didn't play by my self determined rules, however if you're playing to win you can't play that way.

This link below is one of the most interesting reads and vastly changed my outlook on competitive gaming. You rarely will see me complain about "cheap moves" now because of it.
http://www.sirlin.net/articles/playing-to-win

* before this triggers people and gets mass reports then check the link as I reference that material and don't mean scrub in the common derogative sense it's normally used in.

Gargath

heng14rwb17_ESO wrote: »

I dont wan to turn this into a flaming thread so i will keep the proc sets a secret but one of them start with a letter 'S'

Not much informative, you know, there are
9 monster sets starting with S, 6 heavy, 18 medium, 12 light,

GrigorijMalahevich

Proof?

jaschacasadiob16_ESO

Permaban.

Vaoh

most pointless thread....

Nyladreas

Turelus wrote: »

Continue using the sets if you're winning and that's your goal.

As long as you're not exploiting or cheating in ways the game developers didn't intend then everything is fair in PvP, those complaining in whispers have just not moved out of the "scrub* mentality" as per link below.

I used to be the same, complain about cheap builds in games, how play by a moral code etc. then complain when others didn't play by my self determined rules, however if you're playing to win you can't play that way.

This link below is one of the most interesting reads and vastly changed my outlook on competitive gaming. You rarely will see me complain about "cheap moves" now because of it.
http://www.sirlin.net/articles/playing-to-win

* before this triggers people and gets mass reports then check the link as I reference that material and don't mean scrub in the common derogative sense it's normally used in.

What is this moral code or moral block i constantly keep hearing about in games... Whether its using potions in duels or using sets that are fair and yada yada....

There is no such thing as honor and "moral code" in our modern society. There actually never has been in the western world. Even in real life if you want to achieve something, you should never care about morals or how others feel. Those things only hold you back. I know this for a FACT from my own experience.

I'm not saying be a complete *** though. There's a difference between strongly going after your goals and being a total ***. Use your head Otherwise I'd have to type out an essay.

Chilly-McFreeze

Who is the real scrub? The one that Handicaps himself by moral standards or the one that has to rely on proc sets to ever archive a kill, @Turelus Just a general question, since you brought that term into play.

Qbiken

Got to love this section of the link Turulus posted:

Complaining that you don't want to do X in a game because "it doesn't take skill" is a common scrub complaint. The concept of "skill" is yet another excuse to add fictional rules and avoid making the best moves. Curiously, scrubs often talk about how they have skill whereas other players—very much including the ones who beat them flat out—do not have skill. This might be some sort of ego defense mechanism where people define "skill" as whatever subset of the game they're good at and then elevate that above actually trying to win.[/quote]

Dracane

People will ragewhisper you for way less. It has reached a point, where I left all my trading guild because they are full of enemies and I set myself to appear as permanently offline to avoid mails.

It's such harmony to know, that they can't bother you anymore. I always tell them "Tbag me if you must and I will know what you think of me. But ragewhisper me and I will think of you as a satly fool"
I keep it the same way. I let my body speak, no need for hateful words.

Nyladreas

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Who is the real scrub? The one that Handicaps himself by moral standards or the one that has to rely on proc sets to ever archive a kill, @Turelus Just a general question, since you brought that term into play.

This.

Turelus

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Who is the real scrub? The one that Handicaps himself by moral standards or the one that has to rely on proc sets to ever archive a kill, Turelus Just a general question, since you brought that term into play.

Depends what the end goal is.

If you're there to win and there is something which lets you win but offends the moral codes of others then you're well within your right to use it. It doesn't make you the best skilled player, but it's achieving your goal within the boundaries and rules of the game.

If your goal is to be the best player and win without using sets which are considered cheese then you're welcome to take that route, however you should understand the restrictions you face are those you've imposed on yourself.
You might have more skill without the cheese and in conditions you've set making you the better player, but you can't enter a competitive environment with one set of rules and complain others are only winning because they're not conforming to your restrictions.

As someone who played in EVE's Alliance Tournaments the teams I was in never sidelined a ship because it was "cheap" (ECM FTW!) we took full advantage of what it offered us because we were there to win and prove we were the best within the limitations set, not show we we're better players by winning without cheese.

I've made no claim that people who don't use cheese sets are bad players nor that those who use them are better players (that's why I made a point to clarify what I mean by scrub) only that those who want to win are well within their right to use cheese to do so.

Yzalirk

Ignore it and move on.

Chilly-McFreeze

Sure thing, I don’t disagree with you there. I use procs myself. All is okayish unless it’s an exploit or an outright cheat.
Thing is that I sometimes ask myself why there is even a pvp mode to begin with when All the work gets done by the sets instead of yourself. But that’s more of a hypothetical discussion since this game isn’t designed to be anywhere near a competitive state in PvP.

Kikke

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Who is the real scrub? The one that Handicaps himself by moral standards or the one that has to rely on proc sets to ever archive a kill, @Turelus Just a general question, since you brought that term into play.

We have a scrub here! xD

Nyladreas

Let's be honest here. If there was a button to give you gear that would make you win every fight and never die...

Everyone would scream remove it.

But everyone would also press it first.

Prove me wrong. This is a stupid discussion. There is no way any human being on this planet would not do such a thing given the opportunity. And If you don't understand what I mean, then you're on your own.

Chilly-McFreeze

kikkehs wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Who is the real scrub? The one that Handicaps himself by moral standards or the one that has to rely on proc sets to ever archive a kill, @Turelus Just a general question, since you brought that term into play.

We have a scrub here! xD

Call me Chilly McScrubFace ^^

Anne_Firehawk

Sloads, Calurien, Zaan. Congratulations

Turelus

Anne_Firehawk wrote: »

Sloads, Calurien, Zaan. Congratulations

*takes notes for later*

Kikke

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

kikkehs wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Who is the real scrub? The one that Handicaps himself by moral standards or the one that has to rely on proc sets to ever archive a kill, @Turelus Just a general question, since you brought that term into play.

We have a scrub here! xD

Call me Chilly McScrubFace ^^

Best nickname in the world! xP

Kikke

By the way! My Cancer build is Zaan, Caluurion, Lich backbar and Perfected Asylum inferno front bar just for the extra tears =D

Tirps

Nyladreas wrote: »

Let's be honest here. If there was a button to give you gear that would make you win every fight and never die...

Everyone would scream remove it.

But everyone would also press it first.

Prove me wrong. This is a stupid discussion. There is no way any human being on this planet would not do such a thing given the opportunity. And If you don't understand what I mean, then you're on your own.

Yep, this is so true lol. But tell me one thing, how could anyone ever win a fight if everyone would have gear that makes them immortal?

BigBadVolk

Dracane wrote: »

People will ragewhisper you for way less. It has reached a point, where I left all my trading guild because they are full of enemies and I set myself to appear as permanently offline to avoid mails.

It's such harmony to know, that they can't bother you anymore. I always tell them "Tbag me if you must and I will know what you think of me. But ragewhisper me and I will think of you as a satly fool"
I keep it the same way. I let my body speak, no need for hateful words.

Nah I only ran one S set and still didnt get one only got one when I ran Zaan

BigBadVolk

Turelus wrote: »

Anne_Firehawk wrote: »

Sloads, Calurien, Zaan. Congratulations

*takes notes for later*

So it works, wtfarm cal rings

Katahdin

@Turelus

I have read Sirlin's book with the same title and it also opened my eyes to the self imposed rules players often put on themselves and others.

My philosophy is that if it works and is legal according to ZoS, I don't care what other players think and will gladly drink those salty tears

Peekachu99

Pro tip: WHEN PVPING SET YOUR STATUS TO OFFLINE.

I haven’t had a a hate whisper in years, unless I’ve been dungeoning and forgot to change my status back.

You’re welcome.

Eyro

It has been forever since I pvped. when I did I always liked using Sellistrix. There is just something funny about randomly knocking people down. And then since I was really bad after a while I would get frustrated and go 3 proc sets so I could kill a couple people to make myself feel better before I quit for the night. I like to think I balanced me being a free kill with the sometime triple proc almost free kill.

Zinaroth

Okay.

Turelus

Peekachu99 wrote: »

Pro tip: WHEN PVPING SET YOUR STATUS TO OFFLINE.

I haven’t had a a hate whisper in years, unless I’ve been dungeoning and forgot to change my status back.

You’re welcome.

On the rare times I get the whispers I enjoy them, especially if you don't answer and the person continues to degrade further and further into incoherent ramblings. You can also trigger a melt down right at the end by just saying "u mad bro?", childish but funny.