why are the ESO forums better than others?

VexingArcanist

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

There's a difference between free speech and openly bashing or unconstructively criticizing. We do have community rules in place for a reason.

There is no such thing as free speech on a forum owned by a private company so it's a bit odd you bring it up.

Ravereth

myrakrista wrote: »

why are the ESO forums better than others?

Voxicity

removed comment due to fear of being perma banned for speaking my mind about moderation

bg22

Voxicity wrote: »

Because the ESO forums are heavily censored and free speech doesn't exist on them

Some would consider that a good thing, others not

But it is what it is

I’ve been here since before beta... and I’ve been banned a lot bc I speak very openly, as I do in every aspect of my life. I’m not afraid of words, so I fail to recognize the problem.

Also, this comment may get deleted. Lol

Recremen

Voxicity wrote: »

Because the ESO forums are heavily censored and free speech doesn't exist on them

Some would consider that a good thing, others not

But it is what it is

@Voxicity

The pivot in this case is actually not free speech, it's freedom of association. The government isn't coming in and censoring your speech, the community, through the enforcement method of moderation, is upholding its community rules. Moderation, viewed through this lens, is a mercy, since the alternative is immediate expulsion from the community. Part of the freedom of association is the ability to accept or reject members based on certain legally admissible criteria, and in this case people who can't play nice are simply not welcome to be part of the community.

Voxicity

Recremen wrote: »

Voxicity wrote: »

Because the ESO forums are heavily censored and free speech doesn't exist on them

Some would consider that a good thing, others not

But it is what it is

@Voxicity

The pivot in this case is actually not free speech, it's freedom of association. The government isn't coming in and censoring your speech, the community, through the enforcement method of moderation, is upholding its community rules. Moderation, viewed through this lens, is a mercy, since the alternative is immediate expulsion from the community. Part of the freedom of association is the ability to accept or reject members based on certain legally admissible criteria, and in this case people who can't play nice are simply not welcome to be part of the community.

Honestly all I'm seeing here is just a bunch of words

If someone makes a comment stating their opinion which isn't harmful to anyone and the comment is removed by a moderator, that is obstructing freedom of speech

The government has nothing to do with it. If I'm not free to speak, then freedom of speech isn't present

Anyway it's their forum so they can create their own rules so whatever

eso_nya

Source

Aebaradath

bg22 wrote: »

Voxicity wrote: »

Because the ESO forums are heavily censored and free speech doesn't exist on them

Some would consider that a good thing, others not

But it is what it is

I’ve been here since before beta... and I’ve been banned a lot bc I speak very openly, as I do in every aspect of my life. I’m not afraid of words, so I fail to recognize the problem.

Also, this comment may get deleted. Lol

If it gets deleted, I got Judge Judy on speed dial so don't worry.

SydneyGrey

These forums used to be a lot worse. For most of the first year after I joined the game, this forum was a cesspool of toxicity and abuse. It was so bad that I wouldn't be surprised if it drove some of their new players away. It's gotten better in the past six months thanks to some good forum moderators, though, thank God.

Malacthulhu

Voxicity wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

Voxicity wrote: »

Because the ESO forums are heavily censored and free speech doesn't exist on them

Some would consider that a good thing, others not

But it is what it is

@Voxicity

The pivot in this case is actually not free speech, it's freedom of association. The government isn't coming in and censoring your speech, the community, through the enforcement method of moderation, is upholding its community rules. Moderation, viewed through this lens, is a mercy, since the alternative is immediate expulsion from the community. Part of the freedom of association is the ability to accept or reject members based on certain legally admissible criteria, and in this case people who can't play nice are simply not welcome to be part of the community.

Honestly all I'm seeing here is just a bunch of words

If someone makes a comment stating their opinion which isn't harmful to anyone and the comment is removed by a moderator, that is obstructing freedom of speech

The government has nothing to do with it. If I'm not free to speak, then freedom of speech isn't present

Anyway it's their forum so they can create their own rules so whatever

Do you moderate your own facebook? Are you infact impeding other peoples freedom of speech? Can you set up your own site expressing your opinions about the game? Is anyone stopping you from creating your own platform lol?

Voxicity

eso_nya wrote: »

Source

free speech
noun
the right to express any opinions without censorship or restraint.
"it violated the first-amendment guarantee of free speech"

I see no mention of any government here

DMBCML

Lieblingsjunge wrote: »

Eeeeeeeeexactly. But it is though. I yet have to run into a decent player this year. (That I doesn't know - or that doesn't know me already).

Wow. You can't know everyone. But, I guess you judge everyone without meeting them. I meet nice people every day. I've been here since before launch. I have only met a handful of nasty people in all those years. Maybe it's Karma?

Jaimeh

Because we have emergency maintenance hangout threads

Gargath

Voxicity wrote: »

Because the ESO forums are heavily censored and free speech doesn't exist on tchem.

I could not agree more. I remember well my first warning from some ZOS' member, for using some supposedly inapropriate word .

Belegnole

I find that this game has many great people. In general I have found more people willing to help in and out of game than in many others. I know many of you are thinking it, but that includes PvP ;p

The forums on the other hand while they look better than most, loose their shine if you read enough. The toxicity that remains is typed by well practiced wordsmiths and thus usually is missed by the moderators. But hey, it's also more fun to read when smart people are insulting each other.....lol

freespirit

DMBCML wrote: »

Lieblingsjunge wrote: »

Eeeeeeeeexactly. But it is though. I yet have to run into a decent player this year. (That I doesn't know - or that doesn't know me already).

Wow. You can't know everyone. But, I guess you judge everyone without meeting them. I meet nice people every day. I've been here since before launch. I have only met a handful of nasty people in all those years. Maybe it's Karma?

^^This, I regularly meet new and lovely people BUT maybe the words "decent player" are a sign that us lower skilled more friendly types don't move in the same circle as you.

Coppes

Certainly more better than the SWTOR forums...

Malacthulhu

Voxicity wrote: »

eso_nya wrote: »

Source

free speech
noun
the right to express any opinions without censorship or restraint.
"it violated the first-amendment guarantee of free speech"

I see no mention of any government here

I wholeheartedly agree it is frustrating to be censored and have your opinion removed. Lets look at it this way, if you put a sign expressing your opinion in my front yard I am probably gonna kick it over. Is that infringing on your free speech? Well you are a guess in someone elses yard, you have all the freedom you want to put signs up in your own yard. Freedom of speech is not impeded in this circumstance.

Voxicity

Malacthulhu wrote: »

Voxicity wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

Voxicity wrote: »

Because the ESO forums are heavily censored and free speech doesn't exist on them

Some would consider that a good thing, others not

But it is what it is

@Voxicity

The pivot in this case is actually not free speech, it's freedom of association. The government isn't coming in and censoring your speech, the community, through the enforcement method of moderation, is upholding its community rules. Moderation, viewed through this lens, is a mercy, since the alternative is immediate expulsion from the community. Part of the freedom of association is the ability to accept or reject members based on certain legally admissible criteria, and in this case people who can't play nice are simply not welcome to be part of the community.

Honestly all I'm seeing here is just a bunch of words

If someone makes a comment stating their opinion which isn't harmful to anyone and the comment is removed by a moderator, that is obstructing freedom of speech

The government has nothing to do with it. If I'm not free to speak, then freedom of speech isn't present

Anyway it's their forum so they can create their own rules so whatever

Do you moderate your own facebook? Are you infact impeding other peoples freedom of speech? Can you set up your own site expressing your opinions about the game? Is anyone stopping you from creating your own platform lol?

Like I said, it's their forum so they can make whatever rules they want. Still doesn't change the fact that it's heavily censored. Not trying to cause drama, just stating it how it is

I don't use facebook very often, and nope I couldn't create my own site. I tried programming once. Never again.

Malacthulhu

Voxicity wrote: »

eso_nya wrote: »

Source

free speech
noun
the right to express any opinions without censorship or restraint.
"it violated the first-amendment guarantee of free speech"

I see no mention of any government here

Malacthulhu wrote: »

Voxicity wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

Voxicity wrote: »

Because the ESO forums are heavily censored and free speech doesn't exist on them

Some would consider that a good thing, others not

But it is what it is

@Voxicity

The pivot in this case is actually not free speech, it's freedom of association. The government isn't coming in and censoring your speech, the community, through the enforcement method of moderation, is upholding its community rules. Moderation, viewed through this lens, is a mercy, since the alternative is immediate expulsion from the community. Part of the freedom of association is the ability to accept or reject members based on certain legally admissible criteria, and in this case people who can't play nice are simply not welcome to be part of the community.

Honestly all I'm seeing here is just a bunch of words

If someone makes a comment stating their opinion which isn't harmful to anyone and the comment is removed by a moderator, that is obstructing freedom of speech

The government has nothing to do with it. If I'm not free to speak, then freedom of speech isn't present

Anyway it's their forum so they can create their own rules so whatever

Do you moderate your own facebook? Are you infact impeding other peoples freedom of speech? Can you set up your own site expressing your opinions about the game? Is anyone stopping you from creating your own platform lol?

Like I said, it's their forum so they can make whatever rules they want. Still doesn't change the fact that it's heavily censored. Not trying to cause drama, just stating it how it is

I don't use facebook very often, and nope I couldn't create my own site. I tried programming once. Never again.

I dont think it creates drama, it should be questioned, its important.

Voxicity

Malacthulhu wrote: »

Voxicity wrote: »

eso_nya wrote: »

Source

free speech
noun
the right to express any opinions without censorship or restraint.
"it violated the first-amendment guarantee of free speech"

I see no mention of any government here

Malacthulhu wrote: »

Voxicity wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

Voxicity wrote: »

Because the ESO forums are heavily censored and free speech doesn't exist on them

Some would consider that a good thing, others not

But it is what it is

@Voxicity

The pivot in this case is actually not free speech, it's freedom of association. The government isn't coming in and censoring your speech, the community, through the enforcement method of moderation, is upholding its community rules. Moderation, viewed through this lens, is a mercy, since the alternative is immediate expulsion from the community. Part of the freedom of association is the ability to accept or reject members based on certain legally admissible criteria, and in this case people who can't play nice are simply not welcome to be part of the community.

Honestly all I'm seeing here is just a bunch of words

If someone makes a comment stating their opinion which isn't harmful to anyone and the comment is removed by a moderator, that is obstructing freedom of speech

The government has nothing to do with it. If I'm not free to speak, then freedom of speech isn't present

Anyway it's their forum so they can create their own rules so whatever

Do you moderate your own facebook? Are you infact impeding other peoples freedom of speech? Can you set up your own site expressing your opinions about the game? Is anyone stopping you from creating your own platform lol?

Like I said, it's their forum so they can make whatever rules they want. Still doesn't change the fact that it's heavily censored. Not trying to cause drama, just stating it how it is

I don't use facebook very often, and nope I couldn't create my own site. I tried programming once. Never again.

I dont think it creates drama, it should be questioned, its important.

Anyway I don't see it as an inherently bad thing. Without the moderation, the forums would probably be 100 times more toxic. Finding the right balance between the two is something I think could be done better

Schemering

Many try to enjoy themselves and others. (its a game after all) There are maybe quite a few people here also interrested in talking about facts and ideas, maybe even about inspiration; and not only in expressing opinions without interrest in others' Its clear not many here miss selfesteem and need to yell at others in order to try make up for that loss.

There are those that have clear points of view and a blunt way of expressing but that does not have to be a problem within a certain framework

geonsocal

Malacthulhu

Voxicity wrote: »

eso_nya wrote: »

Source

free speech
noun
the right to express any opinions without censorship or restraint.
"it violated the first-amendment guarantee of free speech"

I see no mention of any government here

Malacthulhu wrote: »

Voxicity wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

Voxicity wrote: »

Because the ESO forums are heavily censored and free speech doesn't exist on them

Some would consider that a good thing, others not

But it is what it is

@Voxicity

The pivot in this case is actually not free speech, it's freedom of association. The government isn't coming in and censoring your speech, the community, through the enforcement method of moderation, is upholding its community rules. Moderation, viewed through this lens, is a mercy, since the alternative is immediate expulsion from the community. Part of the freedom of association is the ability to accept or reject members based on certain legally admissible criteria, and in this case people who can't play nice are simply not welcome to be part of the community.

Honestly all I'm seeing here is just a bunch of words

If someone makes a comment stating their opinion which isn't harmful to anyone and the comment is removed by a moderator, that is obstructing freedom of speech

The government has nothing to do with it. If I'm not free to speak, then freedom of speech isn't present

Anyway it's their forum so they can create their own rules so whatever

Do you moderate your own facebook? Are you infact impeding other peoples freedom of speech? Can you set up your own site expressing your opinions about the game? Is anyone stopping you from creating your own platform lol?

Like I said, it's their forum so they can make whatever rules they want. Still doesn't change the fact that it's heavily censored. Not trying to cause drama, just stating it how it is

I don't use facebook very often, and nope I couldn't create my own site. I tried programming once. Never again.

I dont think it creates drama, it should be questioned, its important.

Voxicity wrote: »

Malacthulhu wrote: »

Voxicity wrote: »

eso_nya wrote: »

Source

free speech
noun
the right to express any opinions without censorship or restraint.
"it violated the first-amendment guarantee of free speech"

I see no mention of any government here

Malacthulhu wrote: »

Voxicity wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

Voxicity wrote: »

Because the ESO forums are heavily censored and free speech doesn't exist on them

Some would consider that a good thing, others not

But it is what it is

@Voxicity

The pivot in this case is actually not free speech, it's freedom of association. The government isn't coming in and censoring your speech, the community, through the enforcement method of moderation, is upholding its community rules. Moderation, viewed through this lens, is a mercy, since the alternative is immediate expulsion from the community. Part of the freedom of association is the ability to accept or reject members based on certain legally admissible criteria, and in this case people who can't play nice are simply not welcome to be part of the community.

Honestly all I'm seeing here is just a bunch of words

If someone makes a comment stating their opinion which isn't harmful to anyone and the comment is removed by a moderator, that is obstructing freedom of speech

The government has nothing to do with it. If I'm not free to speak, then freedom of speech isn't present

Anyway it's their forum so they can create their own rules so whatever

Do you moderate your own facebook? Are you infact impeding other peoples freedom of speech? Can you set up your own site expressing your opinions about the game? Is anyone stopping you from creating your own platform lol?

Like I said, it's their forum so they can make whatever rules they want. Still doesn't change the fact that it's heavily censored. Not trying to cause drama, just stating it how it is

I don't use facebook very often, and nope I couldn't create my own site. I tried programming once. Never again.

I dont think it creates drama, it should be questioned, its important.

Anyway I don't see it as an inherently bad thing. Without the moderation, the forums would probably be 100 times more toxic. Finding the right balance between the two is something I think could be done better

I have also been banned from many other forums lol

Azurya

myrakrista wrote: »

I’ve been on different gaming forums and I’d say ESO forums has a pretty good community. For example, I play between Overwatch and ESO. The Overwatch forums for one has too many dumb complaints that looks like they were made by some angsty teenagers trying to look smart. When I visit ESO forums, the complaints aren’t as dumb or whiney. Why is it that ESO forums are generally soooo much better than other gaming forums I’ve been to?

really???
I played a lot of games, but this is one of the oddiest forums with whinies all the time if they get killed by something and then start calling for nerfs of this and that, before thinking about how to counterplay it...................

DoctorESO

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

There's a difference between free speech and openly bashing or unconstructively criticizing. We do have community rules in place for a reason.

The Summerset Divine Prosecution does not allow for bashing.

Mahabahabtha

I am here because i thought the TO opens a Joke-Thread...

Recremen

Voxicity wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

Voxicity wrote: »

Because the ESO forums are heavily censored and free speech doesn't exist on them

Some would consider that a good thing, others not

But it is what it is

@Voxicity

The pivot in this case is actually not free speech, it's freedom of association. The government isn't coming in and censoring your speech, the community, through the enforcement method of moderation, is upholding its community rules. Moderation, viewed through this lens, is a mercy, since the alternative is immediate expulsion from the community. Part of the freedom of association is the ability to accept or reject members based on certain legally admissible criteria, and in this case people who can't play nice are simply not welcome to be part of the community.

Honestly all I'm seeing here is just a bunch of words

If someone makes a comment stating their opinion which isn't harmful to anyone and the comment is removed by a moderator, that is obstructing freedom of speech

The government has nothing to do with it. If I'm not free to speak, then freedom of speech isn't present

Anyway it's their forum so they can create their own rules so whatever

@Voxicity

Bunches of words generally have meaning. It sounds like you would rather ignore what I'm saying than actually grapple with the topic.

Speaking of meaning, "freedom of speech" is a well-defined term, and you aren't using it correctly. People are free to speak on the forums, and we're free to end our association with them if it's out of line with the rules we all agreed to adhere to while using the service. That's the whole point of that "bunch of words" I used in the first post. The government has everything to do with it, as they're the only ones who can impinge upon your freedom of speech.

Voxicity

Recremen wrote: »

Voxicity wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

Voxicity wrote: »

Because the ESO forums are heavily censored and free speech doesn't exist on them

Some would consider that a good thing, others not

But it is what it is

@Voxicity

The pivot in this case is actually not free speech, it's freedom of association. The government isn't coming in and censoring your speech, the community, through the enforcement method of moderation, is upholding its community rules. Moderation, viewed through this lens, is a mercy, since the alternative is immediate expulsion from the community. Part of the freedom of association is the ability to accept or reject members based on certain legally admissible criteria, and in this case people who can't play nice are simply not welcome to be part of the community.

Honestly all I'm seeing here is just a bunch of words

If someone makes a comment stating their opinion which isn't harmful to anyone and the comment is removed by a moderator, that is obstructing freedom of speech

The government has nothing to do with it. If I'm not free to speak, then freedom of speech isn't present

Anyway it's their forum so they can create their own rules so whatever

@Voxicity

Bunches of words generally have meaning. It sounds like you would rather ignore what I'm saying than actually grapple with the topic.

Speaking of meaning, "freedom of speech" is a well-defined term, and you aren't using it correctly. People are free to speak on the forums, and we're free to end our association with them if it's out of line with the rules we all agreed to adhere to while using the service. That's the whole point of that "bunch of words" I used in the first post. The government has everything to do with it, as they're the only ones who can impinge upon your freedom of speech.

Nah I didn't ignore it. I read it and disagreed with it

Silence me

Recremen

Voxicity wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

Voxicity wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

Voxicity wrote: »

Because the ESO forums are heavily censored and free speech doesn't exist on them

Some would consider that a good thing, others not

But it is what it is

@Voxicity

The pivot in this case is actually not free speech, it's freedom of association. The government isn't coming in and censoring your speech, the community, through the enforcement method of moderation, is upholding its community rules. Moderation, viewed through this lens, is a mercy, since the alternative is immediate expulsion from the community. Part of the freedom of association is the ability to accept or reject members based on certain legally admissible criteria, and in this case people who can't play nice are simply not welcome to be part of the community.

Honestly all I'm seeing here is just a bunch of words

If someone makes a comment stating their opinion which isn't harmful to anyone and the comment is removed by a moderator, that is obstructing freedom of speech

The government has nothing to do with it. If I'm not free to speak, then freedom of speech isn't present

Anyway it's their forum so they can create their own rules so whatever

@Voxicity

Bunches of words generally have meaning. It sounds like you would rather ignore what I'm saying than actually grapple with the topic.

Speaking of meaning, "freedom of speech" is a well-defined term, and you aren't using it correctly. People are free to speak on the forums, and we're free to end our association with them if it's out of line with the rules we all agreed to adhere to while using the service. That's the whole point of that "bunch of words" I used in the first post. The government has everything to do with it, as they're the only ones who can impinge upon your freedom of speech.

Nah I didn't ignore it. I read it and disagreed with it

Silence me

@Voxicity

You disagreed with facts? Not my business if you're dead set on it, but if people stop taking what you say seriously it's probably because of things like that. If you make arguments in bad faith don't be surprised when folks stop giving your arguments any consideration.

And silence you? What for? I don't know how to tell you this, but you aren't being persecuted. Nobody is out to get you.