[VID] Thogard & Gilliam Find Your Missing (and cloaked) DAWNBREAKERS

Thogard

DarkAedin wrote: »

Phone duplicated post. Or maybe it was just that exciting.

Haha yeah it was definitely fun. We kept getting side tracked though because we both have the same “but what if...” thought process, and we really build off each other lol. In between bug 2 and bug 3 we were playing with a target dummy for DBoS stuff and that somehow turned into a 30 minute long study of the quirks of landing heavy attacks (they get auto targeted at range 1-5 but have to be manually targeted at range 5.1-7 which means if someone moves from 5m to 6m range if you don’t have them manually targeted the heavy will miss even tho they were auto targeted at 5m... hard to explain but I’ll try to post that vid too)

If you want to see us PvP together watch the second half of ElLobo or Wadeybear1’s stream from Saturday night. The four of us had a ton of fun. I usually don’t get to play with those guys cause my stamden is EP and they’re all DC, but due to the BG groupfinder bugs (another topic we spent a ton of time exploring) I was playing my DC magplar alt.

usmguy1234

Thogard wrote: »

We all have lost dawnbreakers or know someone who has experienced them vanishing into thin air... To put an end to this tragedy, I teamed up with @Gilliamtherogue to find out where these poor, innocent dawnbreakers were going to.

Our hard work paid off! We were able to unmask the culprit, but t turns out that it wasn't one, but THREE reasons that we could find that explain why dawnbreakers are vanishing all over the place.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkCdxE-HOS8

Please share this video with friends to spread awareness. Only by spreading awareness can we help find permanent homes for these dawnbreakers.

For those that are tldw... summary: zos can't code for [snip].

[Edited to remove profanity]

Own

Thogard wrote: »

Own wrote: »

Liam12548 wrote: »

Don't forget, dawnbreaker is also dodgeable by evasion, once again. I assume this means it is also dodgeable via dodge roll, but haven't taken clips of enough scenario us where this appears to have been the case to prove it

Steel Tornado is also dodgable by evasion.

Not since dragonbones has this been true, but the procs from it can be AFAIK.

If you have any video evidence that shows steel tornado being dodged plz post - I’d love to have something else to test.

We actually spent a solid 30 min playing around with steel tornado because it follows some of the same rules for when it gets cancelled. It is a weird skill, but that is not one of the issues it has.

Oh ya it's true. You can dodge roll steel tornado, but cloaking it and evasion causes m

I don't want to install a just for one bug but I hope somebody does

Thogard

Own wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Own wrote: »

Liam12548 wrote: »

Don't forget, dawnbreaker is also dodgeable by evasion, once again. I assume this means it is also dodgeable via dodge roll, but haven't taken clips of enough scenario us where this appears to have been the case to prove it

Steel Tornado is also dodgable by evasion.

Not since dragonbones has this been true, but the procs from it can be AFAIK.

If you have any video evidence that shows steel tornado being dodged plz post - I’d love to have something else to test.

We actually spent a solid 30 min playing around with steel tornado because it follows some of the same rules for when it gets cancelled. It is a weird skill, but that is not one of the issues it has.

Oh ya it's true. You can dodge roll steel tornado, but cloaking it and evasion causes m

I don't want to install a just for one bug but I hope somebody does

Oh i see. No, it’s not true anymore, but it was true up until five months ago, so if you aren’t playing anymore I can see why you think that.

Lexxypwns

@thogard you looking fly in that vid bae

caeliusstarbreaker

Solid work you two.

Thogard

Lexxypwns wrote: »

@thogard you looking fly in that vid bae

I’m rocking that “left work early but can’t change out yet Incase someone notices I’m missing and calls me back in” look lol

DarkAedin

If i can add to ur testing, quite often i hit my dbos or u need a monkey, holler up!

Thogard wrote: »

DarkAedin wrote: »

Phone duplicated post. Or maybe it was just that exciting.

Haha yeah it was definitely fun. We kept getting side tracked though because we both have the same “but what if...” thought process, and we really build off each other lol. In between bug 2 and bug 3 we were playing with a target dummy for DBoS stuff and that somehow turned into a 30 minute long study of the quirks of landing heavy attacks (they get auto targeted at range 1-5 but have to be manually targeted at range 5.1-7 which means if someone moves from 5m to 6m range if you don’t have them manually targeted the heavy will miss even tho they were auto targeted at 5m... hard to explain but I’ll try to post that vid too)

If you want to see us PvP together watch the second half of ElLobo or Wadeybear1’s stream from Saturday night. The four of us had a ton of fun. I usually don’t get to play with those guys cause my stamden is EP and they’re all DC, but due to the BG groupfinder bugs (another topic we spent a ton of time exploring) I was playing my DC magplar alt.

One issue i seem to have is that i wait for enemy immovable to wear off, then dbos, the dmg hits everytime for roughly 2.3k dmg (from my fully geared and buffed stamplar) but stun doesnt go through.this happens on a few very specific players, kodi was one of them. Any insight into this?

Thogard

DarkAedin wrote: »

If i can add to ur testing, quite often i hit my dbos or u need a monkey, holler up!

Thogard wrote: »

DarkAedin wrote: »

Phone duplicated post. Or maybe it was just that exciting.

Haha yeah it was definitely fun. We kept getting side tracked though because we both have the same “but what if...” thought process, and we really build off each other lol. In between bug 2 and bug 3 we were playing with a target dummy for DBoS stuff and that somehow turned into a 30 minute long study of the quirks of landing heavy attacks (they get auto targeted at range 1-5 but have to be manually targeted at range 5.1-7 which means if someone moves from 5m to 6m range if you don’t have them manually targeted the heavy will miss even tho they were auto targeted at 5m... hard to explain but I’ll try to post that vid too)

If you want to see us PvP together watch the second half of ElLobo or Wadeybear1’s stream from Saturday night. The four of us had a ton of fun. I usually don’t get to play with those guys cause my stamden is EP and they’re all DC, but due to the BG groupfinder bugs (another topic we spent a ton of time exploring) I was playing my DC magplar alt.

One issue i seem to have is that i wait for enemy immovable to wear off, then dbos, the dmg hits everytime for roughly 2.3k dmg (from my fully geared and buffed stamplar) but stun doesnt go through.this happens on a few very specific players, kodi was one of them. Any insight into this?

sounds like they're just tap blocking it.

Berenhir

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Awesome, one mystery solved! Thanks for taking the time to test this.

I think this might be the same health desync that happens with Snipe actually. When those desyncs happen you also see the snipes on combat log (but not visually on the screen).

Something to do with LOS (of either the sniper or the target) as well perhaps? Could be worth investigating as well

I've seen the no warning "health desync" (I don't think it's actually a health desync, but no notification of the first snipe at all) without either caster or target moving. I've always chalked it up as a glitch from in game cell to cell; ie if caster is in a different "cell" (zos' terminology for sub zones in cyrodil) attacking someone the queued snipe animation will not register the first strike, they will appear to hit simultaneously. Someone really ought to test this..

Had a snipe desync yesterday and was hit from a sniper who was not in the same subzone than me. Actually that is true for all desyncs from snipe that I can recall right now.

TheYKcid

Interesting and well-presented findings!

The requirement of the 2nd LoS check would also explain why DBs frequently disappear when your target jumps off a ledge immediately after you cast it.

Out of curiosity... would a disappeared DB's AoE affect enemies adjacent to the primary target? And if so, would they be hit normally or also get desynced?

Thogard

TheYKcid wrote: »

Interesting and well-presented findings!

The requirement of the 2nd LoS check would also explain why DBs frequently disappear when your target jumps off a ledge immediately after you cast it.

Out of curiosity... would a disappeared DB's AoE affect enemies adjacent to the primary target? And if so, would they be hit normally or also get desynced?

So that's something we still have to test. I strongly believe that the answer is no, not from direct testing but rather from tons of personal experience. of going to DB a group and having the whole thing get deleted as my target LOS's me.

we couldn't test in a duel setting (practice dummies are disabled during duels unfortunately) so we'll have to test that in Cyrodil.

What makes DBoS so funny is that while there may be a lot of skills that get "cancelled" when your target LoS's you mid animation, DBoS is an AOE skill... so it shouldn't matter. but it does.

steel tornado has a similarly weird animation cancel when your target LOS's you, but it doesn't "block" you from casting it if your target LOS's you... it just halts the animation.

BaylorCorvette

Awesome work here. DBoS has been driving me insane!