Please consider nerfing streak

Yolokin_Swagonborn

Someone necro this thread from 2014?


Do you know how many times streak has been nerfed?


Some of my very good friends are nerfs and I think they would wholeheartedly agree that there are too many of themselves.

ErMurazor

I totally agree with OP, streaks is the single most OP skill in pvp right now, great for both offense and defense. ZoS really need to take a good look at sorcs. They are broken as *** in pvp atm, they have insane burst and with shieldspamming/streaking/Dark dealing they can stay alive through anything. And they can engage and disengage fights at will.

Beardimus

ErMurazor wrote: »

I totally agree with OP, streaks is the single most OP skill in pvp right now, great for both offense and defense. ZoS really need to take a good look at sorcs. They are broken as *** in pvp atm, they have insane burst and with shieldspamming/streaking/Dark dealing they can stay alive through anything. And they can engage and disengage fights at will.

LOL. Good one.

Streak needs a buff, the cost increase is OP, the distance can be out gap closed by ever skill in fact a speed pot can out run the distance. It's buggy. Doesn't remove snares.

If you are struggling with Sorcs in 2018 you are a very bad player. 2015 you would have been right.

Sorcs do not have insane burst for a long time now.

And shield spamming LOL. Are you in 2015? Seriously.

mikegundy

yes

Vapirko

No way man. Steak was nerfed quite a lot already. The cost increase on it is huge. Honestly if anything it should be buffed to remove snares.

Vaoh

Please consider buffing streak

idk

DuskMarine wrote: »

idk wrote: »

SaKGEE wrote: »

Hello,

First of all, I’d like to say that this is not a “nerf sorc” or “hate sorc” thread. Several of my very good friends are sorcs, and I think that they would wholeheartedly agree with me about this - namely how bbroken and overpowered their class is in PVP at the moment.

A nerf sorc thread that says it is not a nerf sorc thread.

While I am sure others before you have made such false claims, it is not every nerf sorc thread that that tries to say it is not calling for a nerf to the class. You say as much in your title that you are calling for a nerf.

Second, you seem to indicate that streak should be nerfed because you find shields on sorcs to be an issue. The logic does not flow well in supporting your argument.

Third, Shields do have a counter. Oblivion damage , a couple sets and player tactics. Further, both shields and streak have been nerfed. Those of us that have been around for awhile remember the old days well.

shields on sorcs are a serious issue(even outside of the factor we have oblivion damage as not all of us wear those sets cause we find them cheaper than cheap) as the only ones able to actually burst down a sorc with a super high shield is a nightblade and they might get away. every other class still has a problem keeping up with it and if they spam it your screwed. but the only way they could change streak is just a total rework as they already nerfed it once they cant really nerf it again.

1. if you think the only way to kill a player is purely via dps then you are missing a whole lot of what works well in PvP. It is called strategy.

2. Beyond that, you miss the humor of the OP which part of that humor is he wants to nerf streak because he has an issue with shields.

Beyond that there are multiple classes that have good damage. It seems you are thinking very narrowly on builds.

dem0n1k

Lots of talk here about Sorcs streaking & dark dealing...... but streak is a magicka skill & dark deal uses magicka & restores stamina. Just sayin'


Dark conversion perhaps?

Sergykid

increasing cost even more, and just like sorcs have streak, nbs have cloak, and cloak even doesn't have a cost increase, so it's even easier mode to leave combat at any time. And my problem with sorcs isn't streak, i could equip a gap closer for it, problem is the shields that can just stay in place and only refresh them forever and not die. Same with nbs, don't matter what u do, u either kill them in one second or they just cloak away and come back full health. Magnbs won't even die in that second cuz will have the absorb shield backup to cloak.

schwarzman1

LOL

Ajaxduo

“X class killed me, it’s too OP nerf pls :'( “

Didaco

Is there a specific reason as to why there are so many players believing that kiting and LoS must not be a playstyle?

I basically never use my MagSorc in pvp mind you, but I get so many whispers when I kite people in pvp... With my hybrid bow templar.

The heck is going on here?

Astrid

No.

Leave us sorcs alone.

Qbiken

Well played SaKGEE, well played

DuskMarine

ChildOfLight wrote: »

HERE COMES THE SORC ARMY!

What did you expect, OP ? Honestly.

I wouldn't have holded my breath on any reasonable reply on this thread.

These are the same people asking for buffs to magSorc class in the PTS DK feedback thread.

They will never admit their class is able to go through the whole Cyro map using streak/darkdeal.
They will never admit Destructive reach is a nonsense overtoned ability that does knockback/absurd damage/30m range.

So, since you guys are the vast majority, let's join the common voicing and all togheter ask for buffs to MagSorc:

"BUFF MagSORC, PLEASE!11!"

im not a mag sorc army player but it does kinda get me at how else could they nerf streak the cost increase per use thing kinda ate it alive already

idk wrote: »

DuskMarine wrote: »

idk wrote: »

SaKGEE wrote: »

Hello,

First of all, I’d like to say that this is not a “nerf sorc” or “hate sorc” thread. Several of my very good friends are sorcs, and I think that they would wholeheartedly agree with me about this - namely how bbroken and overpowered their class is in PVP at the moment.

A nerf sorc thread that says it is not a nerf sorc thread.

While I am sure others before you have made such false claims, it is not every nerf sorc thread that that tries to say it is not calling for a nerf to the class. You say as much in your title that you are calling for a nerf.

Second, you seem to indicate that streak should be nerfed because you find shields on sorcs to be an issue. The logic does not flow well in supporting your argument.

Third, Shields do have a counter. Oblivion damage , a couple sets and player tactics. Further, both shields and streak have been nerfed. Those of us that have been around for awhile remember the old days well.

shields on sorcs are a serious issue(even outside of the factor we have oblivion damage as not all of us wear those sets cause we find them cheaper than cheap) as the only ones able to actually burst down a sorc with a super high shield is a nightblade and they might get away. every other class still has a problem keeping up with it and if they spam it your screwed. but the only way they could change streak is just a total rework as they already nerfed it once they cant really nerf it again.

1. if you think the only way to kill a player is purely via dps then you are missing a whole lot of what works well in PvP. It is called strategy.

2. Beyond that, you miss the humor of the OP which part of that humor is he wants to nerf streak because he has an issue with shields.

Beyond that there are multiple classes that have good damage. It seems you are thinking very narrowly on builds.

1.there is no strategy when your enemy is sitting there spamming shields and no way to counter it before he can get them back up especially if hes rolling a super high shield.
2.i say nightblades are the only ones who can burst them down insanely fast without aide because they have multiple way to increase damage to litterally one shot proportions.
3. shields have been an issue for litterally the longest time but nobody ever wants to admit it cause they dont want their precious op class taken down to the balanced area(heck they should make wards just counter magicka in its entirety not physical damage just like it was in previous elder scrolls games)

Chilly-McFreeze

DuskMarine wrote: »

1.there is no strategy when your enemy is sitting there spamming shields and no way to counter it before he can get them back up especially if hes rolling a super high shield.
2.i say nightblades are the only ones who can burst them down insanely fast without aide because they have multiple way to increase damage to litterally one shot proportions.
3. shields have been an issue for litterally the longest time but nobody ever wants to admit it cause they dont want their precious op class taken down to the balanced area(heck they should make wards just counter magicka in its entirety not physical damage just like it was in previous elder scrolls games)

So, what's your suggetion for sorc defense if you shields get tuned down?
Hots? Don't have any good hots.
Burst heal? Dark Conversion is a 1.4s channel that costs stamina, pets are lackluster.
Streak? Too easily countered.

But to give you an idea on how to deal with shields outside of X burst that accumulates to health+shield strength. Have you tried to CC them at the end of their ward timer? Or you know, via sustained pressure? It's far more cost effective to let dots tick down their shields for small cost while they have to reapply their wards. That plus cc on cd.

Aebaradath

tl;dr, plz.

All I got from the post is to nerf magdens.

DuskMarine

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

DuskMarine wrote: »

1.there is no strategy when your enemy is sitting there spamming shields and no way to counter it before he can get them back up especially if hes rolling a super high shield.
2.i say nightblades are the only ones who can burst them down insanely fast without aide because they have multiple way to increase damage to litterally one shot proportions.
3. shields have been an issue for litterally the longest time but nobody ever wants to admit it cause they dont want their precious op class taken down to the balanced area(heck they should make wards just counter magicka in its entirety not physical damage just like it was in previous elder scrolls games)

So, what's your suggetion for sorc defense if you shields get tuned down?
Hots? Don't have any good hots.
Burst heal? Dark Conversion is a 1.4s channel that costs stamina, pets are lackluster.
Streak? Too easily countered.

But to give you an idea on how to deal with shields outside of X burst that accumulates to health+shield strength. Have you tried to CC them at the end of their ward timer? Or you know, via sustained pressure? It's far more cost effective to let dots tick down their shields for small cost while they have to reapply their wards. That plus cc on cd.

heres a good defense for sorcs if you get your shields tuned down(i main a stam sorc so its how i survive without precious shields) dont..........rely.............on............bullcrap..........to...........keep.........you........alive. simpler explanation learn to play the game without a krutch......

Feanor

MagDK Main requesting Sorc nerf. The forum never ceases to amaze.

Chilly-McFreeze

DuskMarine wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

DuskMarine wrote: »

1.there is no strategy when your enemy is sitting there spamming shields and no way to counter it before he can get them back up especially if hes rolling a super high shield.
2.i say nightblades are the only ones who can burst them down insanely fast without aide because they have multiple way to increase damage to litterally one shot proportions.
3. shields have been an issue for litterally the longest time but nobody ever wants to admit it cause they dont want their precious op class taken down to the balanced area(heck they should make wards just counter magicka in its entirety not physical damage just like it was in previous elder scrolls games)

So, what's your suggetion for sorc defense if you shields get tuned down?
Hots? Don't have any good hots.
Burst heal? Dark Conversion is a 1.4s channel that costs stamina, pets are lackluster.
Streak? Too easily countered.

But to give you an idea on how to deal with shields outside of X burst that accumulates to health+shield strength. Have you tried to CC them at the end of their ward timer? Or you know, via sustained pressure? It's far more cost effective to let dots tick down their shields for small cost while they have to reapply their wards. That plus cc on cd.

heres a good defense for sorcs if you get your shields tuned down(i main a stam sorc so its how i survive without precious shields) dont..........rely.............on............bullcrap..........to...........keep.........you........alive. simpler explanation learn to play the game without a krutch......

Crutch on avoiding to give real answers.

getemshauna

Really nerf streak. Sorcs can endlessly teleport through battlefield, disengage from every combat, no one can catch it with that mobility. It is totally broken.
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Kappa.

Troneon

Sorry this is not possible due to a secret sorc passive skill that no one else has.

99% Damage Reduction from ZOS Nerfs.

Nyladreas

ErMurazor wrote: »

I totally agree with OP, streaks is the single most OP skill in pvp right now, great for both offense and defense. ZoS really need to take a good look at sorcs. They are broken as *** in pvp atm, they have insane burst and with shieldspamming/streaking/Dark dealing they can stay alive through anything. And they can engage and disengage fights at will.

So can a nightblade and DK if played correct with the right setup? Your point is?

I'll say it again. Learn to Play.

Beardimus

Vaoh wrote: »

Please consider buffing streak

Perfect!

Tommy_The_Gun

Worst (or best ) part about streak is that it is an... AOE stun... Compare it to for example to NB gap closer Teleport Strike
https://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Teleport+Strike
"If the target is a player, they are briefly snared instead of stunned."

Long time ago it used to stun too... but hey ! look at the description ! ZOS apparently can balance pve & pvp separately...

All in all i think streak just packs too much in a one skill that was meant to be a gap closer.
https://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Streak

It is arguable one of the best "escape" skills in game that can also be used to engage a fight.
- You can "still" (despite the cost nerfs) use it relatively easy 3 or 5 times (with Restore Magicka potion some builds can use it like 7 - 10 times in a row lol)
- It deals unavoidable AOE dmg in an 4 meter radius around the caster.
- It stuns everyone in a 4 meter radius. (so if you streak through a bunch of people they are all stunned). And if someone is chasing you it also works "backwards" - so player who is behind a streaking sorcerer gets stunned.

Now at least try to find any other gap closer in eso that packs comparable amount of features in one skill....

Chilly-McFreeze

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

Worst (or best ) part about streak is that it is an... AOE stun... Compare it to for example to NB gap closer Teleport Strike
https://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Teleport+Strike
"If the target is a player, they are briefly snared instead of stunned."

Long time ago it used to stun too... but hey ! look at the description ! ZOS apparently can balance pve & pvp separately...

All in all i think streak just packs too much in a one skill that was meant to be a gap closer.
https://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Streak

It is arguable one of the best "escape" skills in game that can also be used to engage a fight.
- You can "still" (despite the cost nerfs) use it relatively easy 3 or 5 times (with Restore Magicka potion some builds can use it like 7 - 10 times in a row lol)
- It deals unavoidable AOE dmg in an 4 meter radius around the caster.
- It stuns everyone in a 4 meter radius. (so if you streak through a bunch of people they are all stunned). And if someone is chasing you it also works "backwards" - so player who is behind a streaking sorcerer gets stunned.

Now at least try to find any other gap closer in eso that packs comparable amount of features in one skill....

Okay, I'll bite.

It's always easy to come up with a line like this if you're ignorant about the short commings. Let me spell it out for you:
Streak has a shorter ranger, a fatigue and the same high base cost than most other gap closers. On top of the self root/ momentum loss at the beginning and the end. + It is useless uphills, time consuming downhills, cant outreach gap closer spam and even medium armor + major expedition sprint can keep up with streak.

However, you're entirely missing the point. Streak is no gap closer, it's a mobility skill. Like shadow image. Which does damage as well, has no stacking cost, minor main and demands a second player for easy counterplay. While streak is easily countered solo as well.

But since you're acting like all a gap closer does is closing gaps,here's a comparison to most common gc's (I'm ignoring pull skils here):

Lotus Fan: longer range, no fatigue, higher damage, snare, AoE DoT
Ambush: longer range, no fatigue, higher damage, snare/stun (in PvE), lower cost, Empower
Shield Charge: longer range, no fatigue, higher damage, longer stun, ward
Invasion: longer range, no fatigue, higher damage, longer stun
Crit Rush: longer range, no fatigue, higher damage, always a crit
Stampede: longer range, no fatigue, higher damage, always a crit, snare
Toppling Charge: longer range, no fatigue, higher damage, stuns, lower cost, possible interrupt + off balance
Explosive Charge: longer range, no fatigue, higher damage, lower cost, possible longer AoE stun + interrupt

See the issue? All are spammable, non has higher cost, all have longer range, all have additional utility on them. This leads to two things:
1) Streak is easily countered by any gap closer (no penalty, longer range)
2) Streak isn't the only skill with an "amount of features"

In the end, the only thing that streak got going is that it isn't bound to be aimed at an opponent and can therefor be used for retreating. But then again, shadow image wins out a comparison about mobility skills.

SkillzMFG

I swear I think Streak would actually improve if you get rid of the stun. Who cares about a 0.00001 second stun? It only messes up your other stuns that actually stun for more than 1 second.

Chilly-McFreeze

SkillzMFG wrote: »

I swear I think Streak would actually improve if you get rid of the stun. Who cares about a 0.00001 second stun? It only messes up your other stuns that actually stun for more than 1 second.

Nah, on my DW/2h stam sorc it's all I've got for a stun, since defensive rune really can't be controlled. But the lack of usefull offensive class skills for stam sorcs is a whole different topic. If they remove the stun, then the fatigue must be removed as well. But then again, if you ever hope to get out of melee range via streak is to hope the opponent is too slow at stun breaking. Taking this element away would make streak even easier to counter.

schwarzman1

Buff sorc

Massive_Stain

People complaining about sorcs still ITT