Please consider nerfing streak

ArcVelarian

I have a controversial idea... How about we just buff all the other classes.

You may now be outraged.

DuskMarine

ArcVelarian wrote: »

I have a controversial idea... How about we just buff all the other classes.

You may now be outraged.

there is no such thing as perfect balance as abathur stated in sc2 perfection can chase but cannot catch. so we will deal with it as it comes. people need to just stop whining. i love how they did magdk in the coming patch so they are doing things very slowly.

idk

SaKGEE wrote: »

Hello,

First of all, I’d like to say that this is not a “nerf sorc” or “hate sorc” thread. Several of my very good friends are sorcs, and I think that they would wholeheartedly agree with me about this - namely how bbroken and overpowered their class is in PVP at the moment.

A nerf sorc thread that says it is not a nerf sorc thread.

While I am sure others before you have made such false claims, it is not every nerf sorc thread that that tries to say it is not calling for a nerf to the class. You say as much in your title that you are calling for a nerf.

Second, you seem to indicate that streak should be nerfed because you find shields on sorcs to be an issue. The logic does not flow well in supporting your argument.

Third, Shields do have a counter. Oblivion damage , a couple sets and player tactics. Further, both shields and streak have been nerfed. Those of us that have been around for awhile remember the old days well.

zaria

Gythral wrote: »

Cant we just nerf the nerf requesters?

Yes an cost increase, 30 CP would be fitting.

DuskMarine

idk wrote: »

SaKGEE wrote: »

Hello,

First of all, I’d like to say that this is not a “nerf sorc” or “hate sorc” thread. Several of my very good friends are sorcs, and I think that they would wholeheartedly agree with me about this - namely how bbroken and overpowered their class is in PVP at the moment.

A nerf sorc thread that says it is not a nerf sorc thread.

While I am sure others before you have made such false claims, it is not every nerf sorc thread that that tries to say it is not calling for a nerf to the class. You say as much in your title that you are calling for a nerf.

Second, you seem to indicate that streak should be nerfed because you find shields on sorcs to be an issue. The logic does not flow well in supporting your argument.

Third, Shields do have a counter. Oblivion damage , a couple sets and player tactics. Further, both shields and streak have been nerfed. Those of us that have been around for awhile remember the old days well.

shields on sorcs are a serious issue(even outside of the factor we have oblivion damage as not all of us wear those sets cause we find them cheaper than cheap) as the only ones able to actually burst down a sorc with a super high shield is a nightblade and they might get away. every other class still has a problem keeping up with it and if they spam it your screwed. but the only way they could change streak is just a total rework as they already nerfed it once they cant really nerf it again.

ChildOfLight

HERE COMES THE SORC ARMY!

What did you expect, OP ? Honestly.

I wouldn't have holded my breath on any reasonable reply on this thread.

These are the same people asking for buffs to magSorc class in the PTS DK feedback thread.

They will never admit their class is able to go through the whole Cyro map using streak/darkdeal.
They will never admit Destructive reach is a nonsense overtuned ability that does knockback/absurd damage/30m range.

So, since you guys are the vast majority, let's join the common voicing and all togheter ask for buffs to MagSorc:

"BUFF MagSORC, PLEASE!11!"

DuskMarine

ChildOfLight wrote: »

HERE COMES THE SORC ARMY!

What did you expect, OP ? Honestly.

I wouldn't have holded my breath on any reasonable reply on this thread.

These are the same people asking for buffs to magSorc class in the PTS DK feedback thread.

They will never admit their class is able to go through the whole Cyro map using streak/darkdeal.
They will never admit Destructive reach is a nonsense overtoned ability that does knockback/absurd damage/30m range.

So, since you guys are the vast majority, let's join the common voicing and all togheter ask for buffs to MagSorc:

"BUFF MagSORC, PLEASE!11!"

im not a mag sorc army player but it does kinda get me at how else could they nerf streak the cost increase per use thing kinda ate it alive already

Vyle_Byte

ChildOfLight wrote: »

HERE COMES THE SORC ARMY!
These are the same people asking for buffs to magSorc class in the PTS DK feedback thread.

I've never asked for a single buff OR nerf for any class in my 4 years tyvm.

ChildOfLight wrote: »

They will never admit Destructive reach is a nonsense overtoned ability that does knockback/absurd damage/30m range.

Erm. You do know that's a skill anyone can use not just sorcs right? That's a staff ability not a sorc ability.

Waffennacht

OP, come out and play



Oh OP, where have you gone since you've made this thread?

Come discuss this ridiculousness you have created

Phreeki

ChildOfLight wrote: »

HERE COMES THE SORC ARMY!

What did you expect, OP ? Honestly.

I wouldn't have holded my breath on any reasonable reply on this thread.

These are the same people asking for buffs to magSorc class in the PTS DK feedback thread.

They will never admit their class is able to go through the whole Cyro map using streak/darkdeal.
They will never admit Destructive reach is a nonsense overtoned ability that does knockback/absurd damage/30m range.

So, since you guys are the vast majority, let's join the common voicing and all togheter ask for buffs to MagSorc:

"BUFF MagSORC, PLEASE!11!"

First you cannot streak "through the whole Cyro map" as you put it. If i streak 7 times my last streak will cost over 15k magicka and dark deal only returns 4+k. This statement proves you have no idea how sorcs work.

Second Destructive reach is a wepon ability open for any class to use, like how stam toons use the resto staff ulti.

Third, this was a troll thread.

ChildOfLight

Vyle_Byte wrote: »

Erm. You do know that's a skill anyone can use not just sorcs right? That's a staff ability not a sorc ability.

Oh my bad! I am going to slot it on my stamDk!

It does not matter that apparently every single Reach user is a magSorc.
I'll know better next time!

Phreeki wrote: »

First you cannot streak "through the whole Cyro map" as you put it. If i streak 7 times my last streak will cost over 15k magicka and dark deal only returns 4+k. This statement proves you have no idea how sorcs work.

It was an hyperbole, a clear exaggeration, you clever boy!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperbole

CyrusArya

The only people who would whole heartedly agree sorcs are op are bad players.

Game is more balanced than its ever been. If you’re writing a essay about any particular class, you’re either terrible or trolling

Vyle_Byte

ChildOfLight wrote: »

It does not matter that apparently every single Reach user is a magSorc.

In that case I should tell my DK and my Templar they are actually sorcs in disguise!

ak_pvp

ArcVelarian wrote: »

I have a controversial idea... How about we just buff all the other classes.

You may now be outraged.

They won't. The best unique classes get big playstyle changing buffs, wheras the weaker classes get overnerfed, lose unique skills, and get fed a partial unnerf and useless changes as "buffs."

CyrusArya wrote: »

The only people who would whole heartedly agree sorcs are op are bad players.

Game is more balanced than its ever been. If you’re writing a essay about any particular class, you’re either terrible or trolling

I disagree on part 2. You have 3 specs overperforming by a mile, the rest around the same, just for different areas, and then 2 dead tier specs.

Chilly-McFreeze

ChildOfLight wrote: »

Vyle_Byte wrote: »

Erm. You do know that's a skill anyone can use not just sorcs right? That's a staff ability not a sorc ability.

Oh my bad! I am going to slot it on my stamDk!

It does not matter that apparently every single Reach user is a magSorc.
I'll know better next time!

Phreeki wrote: »

First you cannot streak "through the whole Cyro map" as you put it. If i streak 7 times my last streak will cost over 15k magicka and dark deal only returns 4+k. This statement proves you have no idea how sorcs work.

It was an hyperbole, a clear exaggeration, you clever boy!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperbole

You seem to have no idea what you are talking about. But here we go, in short: zos took away the stun on frags. Therefore sorcs need another dmg skill with stun. And reach happes to be the obvious choice. But I feel to explain this to someone like you is futile. Also slot reach on your mag chars, you polemic ignorant troll.

CyrusArya

ak_pvp wrote: »

I disagree on part 2. You have 3 specs overperforming by a mile, the rest around the same, just for different areas, and then 2 dead tier specs.

Certain things are overtuned, but none to the degree that they deserve essays which is what I said. Imbalance is absolutely nothing like yesteryear and I really dislike exaggerations. Absolutely nothing is a dead tier spec, but I already know you’re referring to DK and I’ll premeptively tell you you are wrong.

DeadlyRecluse

Vyle_Byte wrote: »

ChildOfLight wrote: »

It does not matter that apparently every single Reach user is a magSorc.

In that case I should tell my DK and my Templar they are actually sorcs in disguise!

....not to mention pretty much every magicka warden (especially next patch, lol) and magNBs that use Skoria.

Nyladreas

I think it's perfectly fine. I'm a stamblade and stamdk main and I too used to hate this, shields, fury and like everything about sorcs. Then templars and what not. I was about to quit the game.

No... Not anymore. If anything I believe the game is pretty fair and somewhat balanced and I hate myself for wrongfully thinking otherwise.

It's a l2p issue for many many people. Classes, especially stamblade, are just hard to master so many people feel like the game is unfair. Do a ton of research, take your time, practice and keep an open mind about builds. Ever since I got my sets, CPs and learned a ton about pvp, I've barely had any problems. And I don't even slot cloak on stamblade

You can't expect to google a cookie cutter build and be invincible. Everything has its pros and cons. Also, shield breaker absolutely melts people and not just sorcs. The fact that you say its useless answers it all for me.

PS: Stuns already have a short cooldown. Just break it. Resource sustainability is the game. Also, Immovable pots

TLDR;
NO

Getern

Because of people like OP the game is gettin unbearable with every single patch. The complaint itself isn't the worst thing. The fact you didnt play Magica Sorceror to have the "knowledge" whether class is good or bad. You just see more skilled players outplaying you constantly.

Tell me, do you think you would be able to utilize Streak as good as they do? I doubt.

Please consider getting the actual knowledge before coming here demanding things, state u have no idea about.

Beardimus

SaKGEE wrote: »

Hello,

First of all, I’d like to say that this is not a “nerf sorc” or “hate sorc” thread. Several of my very good friends are sorcs, and I think that they would wholeheartedly agree with me about this - namely how bbroken and overpowered their class is in PVP at the moment.

Why the plea to tone down streak you may ask? While offensively speaking, magsorc is no douubt the best class out there, its burst outdamaging stamblades and stamplars alike, I think it’s even stronger when it comes to deffensive mechanics.
Since we see no real counter to shields being added anytime soon (shieldbreaker being quite useless and efffectively gimping your own character when you equip it), I say we sshould look at the other overperforming skills in the soorc arsenal.

Streak needs to be nerfed. Ever since the changes to interruptible abilities, I keep seeing sorcs streaking 2 or 3 times (something they have plenty of magicka for), and darrk dealing themselves back to full resources behind some rocks, trees, or other lines of sight. And as a magiccka dk main, my only gap closer - chains, is being absorbed by their ball of lightning (the morph of streak which absorbss all projectiles for what seems like an eternity).
Personally, I will try to use Silver Leash next patch, now that it will finally be changed to stop filthy cheaters from climbing up fort walls without sieging like overexcited monkeys on coke, but I fear it still won’t stop sorcerers from running away from fights with impunity.

With all the buffs to heavy armour, healing, and tanks in general, I thought the game was finally going the way of serious, drawn-out combat of attrition, as it should be. While I play magicka dk, I am a templar at heart, and I want to guard my house dammit. So why are there still any mechanics that help people escape combat whenever the situation turns sour from them without any penalty?

I suggest putting streak on a cooldown. Just a 10 to 12 second cool down in between streaks.
If any of you know World of Warcraft, the idea of putting skills on cooldown for people to use in a calculated manner seems like a great one. I’m sure good sorcs will still be able to streak with intelligence and rule over battlefields unchallenged, but it would go a long way in weeding out less than average leechers, and provide a great PVP experience to all of us!

Lol, stopped reading after the first paragraph. Sorcs OP in PvP?? and Streak needs a Nerf?? Lol.

Nyladreas

Getern wrote: »

Because of people like OP the game is gettin unbearable with every single patch. The complaint itself isn't the worst thing. The fact you didnt play Magica Sorceror to have the "knowledge" whether class is good or bad. You just see more skilled players outplaying you constantly.

Tell me, do you think you would be able to utilize Streak as good as they do? I doubt.

Please consider getting the actual knowledge before coming here demanding things, state u have no idea about.

This.

JamieAubrey

ArcVelarian wrote: »

I have a controversial idea... How about we just buff all the other classes.

You may now be outraged.

I say we remove all classes and only have the one class for everyone that way its a game of skill

DanteYoda

Too many customers are enjoying how overpowered sorcerers and nightblades are to get any nerfs

Nyladreas

JamieAubrey wrote: »

ArcVelarian wrote: »

I have a controversial idea... How about we just buff all the other classes.

You may now be outraged.

I say we remove all classes and only have the one class for everyone that way its a game of skill

Please no. That's a balance nightmare and every good player will run the same boring setup entirely. Look how many darkrunners Archeage has. Bleh.

LegendaryMage

Says it's not a nerf sorc thread, proceeds to ask for sorc nerfs. This is a perfect example of a l2p issue essay.

Kova

When someone makes a strange statement on the forums, remember to click on their name and see their history.

This is a troll thread. Please close due to obvious baiting supported by history of baiting.

SirMewser

This is probably the most idiotic *** hole corn town pig wanking sticky mango melting over melon popping organ tearing intestine skip roaping post I have ever read.

I even logged on after reading, just to post this...

Yeah let's nerf steak... Again.

While we're at it, I shall hop on my toon with full torgus set including an infused oblivion damage enchanted weapon combined with the upcoming sloads set to melt the "shield stackers".

Good luck, try again!

ak_pvp

CyrusArya wrote: »

ak_pvp wrote: »

I disagree on part 2. You have 3 specs overperforming by a mile, the rest around the same, just for different areas, and then 2 dead tier specs.

Certain things are overtuned, but none to the degree that they deserve essays which is what I said. Imbalance is absolutely nothing like yesteryear and I really dislike exaggerations. Absolutely nothing is a dead tier spec, but I already know you’re referring to DK and I’ll premeptively tell you you are wrong.

StamDK and stamplar, both have no reason to be chose over others and are best at nothing. Can they be played and 1vX'd with. Yes. But is it better choosing another, yep.

Its not even like they have unique identities or playstyles, The Mag varients are mid-low tier depending on content, but at least they have their moments, the sdk/splr offer nothing special in any area. If your not good, your bad, if your bad, its a dead class in terms of balance/hierarchy, no matter how stubbornly someone may hold on. Trust me, I played DK post 1.6, took so long to fix that most gave up.

And on yesteryear. I prefered it. Everything had a unique and "OP" spec, blazeplars, stam proctatos, maluplars, bombblades, permablock DKs, OP desert rose, tristack petsorc tanks, etc. You could go out and play without being intentionally gimped to a low level

usmguy1234

SaKGEE wrote: »

Hello,

First of all, I’d like to say that this is not a “nerf sorc” or “hate sorc” thread. Several of my very good friends are sorcs, and I think that they would wholeheartedly agree with me about this - namely how bbroken and overpowered their class is in PVP at the moment.

Why the plea to tone down streak you may ask? While offensively speaking, magsorc is no douubt the best class out there, its burst outdamaging stamblades and stamplars alike, I think it’s even stronger when it comes to deffensive mechanics.
Since we see no real counter to shields being added anytime soon (shieldbreaker being quite useless and efffectively gimping your own character when you equip it), I say we sshould look at the other overperforming skills in the soorc arsenal.

Streak needs to be nerfed. Ever since the changes to interruptible abilities, I keep seeing sorcs streaking 2 or 3 times (something they have plenty of magicka for), and darrk dealing themselves back to full resources behind some rocks, trees, or other lines of sight. And as a magiccka dk main, my only gap closer - chains, is being absorbed by their ball of lightning (the morph of streak which absorbss all projectiles for what seems like an eternity).
Personally, I will try to use Silver Leash next patch, now that it will finally be changed to stop filthy cheaters from climbing up fort walls without sieging like overexcited monkeys on coke, but I fear it still won’t stop sorcerers from running away from fights with impunity.

With all the buffs to heavy armour, healing, and tanks in general, I thought the game was finally going the way of serious, drawn-out combat of attrition, as it should be. While I play magicka dk, I am a templar at heart, and I want to guard my house dammit. So why are there still any mechanics that help people escape combat whenever the situation turns sour from them without any penalty?

I suggest putting streak on a cooldown. Just a 10 to 12 second cool down in between streaks.
If any of you know World of Warcraft, the idea of putting skills on cooldown for people to use in a calculated manner seems like a great one. I’m sure good sorcs will still be able to streak with intelligence and rule over battlefields unchallenged, but it would go a long way in weeding out less than average leechers, and provide a great PVP experience to all of us!

Sky_WK

Anyone whose bar for measuring damage output is a stamplar should have posting priledges taken away.