Champion points for passive resistance!

generalmyrick

i just wanted to share and get some feedback...

i've done lots of reading and experimenting with the champion points in the red tree...i created a new character and just to play through i wanted 120 points in the STEED tree. so i put 80 into iron clad and 40 in spell shield...i didn't think it would be that great.

i have never felt so safe and tanky in light armor...i don't feel im missing much either.

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have you tried this setup? do you have something to share that might be better?

THANKS!

Cladius30

sounds interesting, i am putting lot in to the medium armor skill in the steed tree

laksikus

If you are on a lowlevel ofc you are tanky.
Battleleveling is ridicolous strong

Cladius30

laksikus wrote: »

If you are on a lowlevel ofc you are tanky.
Battleleveling is ridicolous strong

what does this mean..?

GreenhaloX

I'm not a fan of light armor; thus, of course l don't use it. However, you should feel tanky enough just with Dampen Magic or the other Annulment morph, or if you're a Magsorc with Empowered Ward. I favor HA all around because of the passives, but just because it's HA doesn't mean it's more indestructible. To me, LA with the Annulment morph or stacking it with Empowered Ward is tankier than HA in itself; granted you keep up the shield. Be complacent just for a couple seconds and you can be just like a turtle without its shell.

Now, certain adds and bosses even in normal dungeons and boss pits can still smack you really hard, and even though you got HA on, you still see a big chunk of your hp gone. I don't know how many times l'm doing dolmen and Mage daily delve, particularly sololy, and without paying attention, my screen glows red indicating my toon is about to die. I'm like, what the *beep*?! This is normal contents.. right? Sheesh. I'm also realizing DoTs from adds' bow shot are packing more heat cause l'm realizing when my screen does go red, l look around and the bow dude been spamming bow shots at my toon.

So, l switched up my allocation a bit. I used to have like 19-20% on (damn, braincramp), the one that mitigates direct attack; is it Iron Clad or Thick-skin? Anyways, l dropped that down to bout 9-10%, then plus up the DoT mitigation to 10%, beefed up both the HA Focus and Spell Resist to bout 2067 a piece and kept both of my Hardy and Elemental at bout 13% and the rest divi-ed up between Bastion and the healing recovery. Since and even without food buff, l haven't seen the red screen much and can solo a lot of world bosses, even without food buff. Although, it is bit more challenging when your toon's hp is round 13k and stam only bout 33k, or Magsorc with same hp and mag. Ha ha

Sixty5

You are better off putting them elsewhere.

You get 5280 resists from those trees at max points, which at CP cap is 8% damage reduction.

Hardy and Elemental defender give you the same value in damage reduction for their respective damage types for 32 points. Ironclad and Thick skinned do the same for just 18 points.

I'm unsure exactly how they scale with low level characters and battle levelling, but if they are still flat, then you will see additional value, but at cp160, those trees are very low value

Iselin

Cladius30 wrote: »

laksikus wrote: »

If you are on a lowlevel ofc you are tanky.
Battleleveling is ridicolous strong

what does this mean..?

It means that if you're below level 33 especially on a character where you're also using CP you have from your main, your damage mitigation is even stronger because of the double extra buff you get: you get one buff if you're below CP160 and you get a second buff if you're below level 33.

Characters CP160+ just get the base effect from gear and CP.

Running dungeons on an alt that is level 20-30 and also has 720CP is the closest you get to in ESO to having a god-like feeling The only thing that beats that is a very well geared true CP720.

Iselin

generalmyrick wrote: »

i just wanted to share and get some feedback...

i've done lots of reading and experimenting with the champion points in the red tree...i created a new character and just to play through i wanted 120 points in the STEED tree. so i put 80 into iron clad and 40 in spell shield...i didn't think it would be that great.

i have never felt so safe and tanky in light armor...i don't feel im missing much either.

---

have you tried this setup? do you have something to share that might be better?

THANKS!

Yes also add points to Thick Skinned and Hardy under The Lady and you can stand in red and barely notice it.

pteam

GreenhaloX wrote: »

I'm not a fan of light armor; thus, of course l don't use it. However, you should feel tanky enough just with Dampen Magic or the other Annulment morph, or if you're a Magsorc with Empowered Ward. I favor HA all around because of the passives, but just because it's HA doesn't mean it's more indestructible. To me, LA with the Annulment morph or stacking it with Empowered Ward is tankier than HA in itself; granted you keep up the shield. Be complacent just for a couple seconds and you can be just like a turtle without its shell.

Now, certain adds and bosses even in normal dungeons and boss pits can still smack you really hard, and even though you got HA on, you still see a big chunk of your hp gone. I don't know how many times l'm doing dolmen and Mage daily delve, particularly sololy, and without paying attention, my screen glows red indicating my toon is about to die. I'm like, what the *beep*?! This is normal contents.. right? Sheesh. I'm also realizing DoTs from adds' bow shot are packing more heat cause l'm realizing when my screen does go red, l look around and the bow dude been spamming bow shots at my toon.

So, l switched up my allocation a bit. I used to have like 19-20% on (damn, braincramp), the one that mitigates direct attack; is it Iron Clad or Thick-skin? Anyways, l dropped that down to bout 9-10%, then plus up the DoT mitigation to 10%, beefed up both the HA Focus and Spell Resist to bout 2067 a piece and kept both of my Hardy and Elemental at bout 13% and the rest divi-ed up between Bastion and the healing recovery. Since and even without food buff, l haven't seen the red screen much and can solo a lot of world bosses, even without food buff. Although, it is bit more challenging when your toon's hp is round 13k and stam only bout 33k, or Magsorc with same hp and mag. Ha ha

@GreenhaloX , so let me get this straight, your a dps in pve content using heavy armor and no food, and you have 33k Stam on a magsorc?

Do me a favor, go kill a 3 million health dummy skeleton and tell me what your dps is after you kill it. Thanks

SugaComa

I switch my cp depending on pve or PvP

PvP points go into crit resist.
Pve I move those points to light armour

As a light armour magic use in both I don't need spell resist from CP

I do put 10% in every other resist, hardy elemental etc and spare points in iron clad

Pve you don't get crit so it's wasted CP

It's also why I'm always skint having to swap about depending what I'm doing

Wish console had CP profiles for ease

sneakymitchell

And sometimes I get the feeling when the cp increases more and more. The nord passive will have deminshing returns. There are only two things in the red cp that gives something other than resistance. Bastion and quick recovery.

Jameliel

It gets annoying in pvp being pushed into heavy armor on a magsorc by guild leaders. I know it's good on some builds, but it's not necessary in order to be a good player. That's in groups or solo. Some people have tunnel vision and are too dogmatic. Just because you like one style of play doesn't mean it's the only viable way. Not by a long shot. Being able to maybe* take a grand total of 1-3 more hits if your shield goes down, while sacrificing a boatload of damage isn't going to help a group much if any at all. Can't keep the cake and eat it too in this game. Just doesn't work that way:-D

GreenhaloX

pteam wrote: »

GreenhaloX wrote: »

I'm not a fan of light armor; thus, of course l don't use it. However, you should feel tanky enough just with Dampen Magic or the other Annulment morph, or if you're a Magsorc with Empowered Ward. I favor HA all around because of the passives, but just because it's HA doesn't mean it's more indestructible. To me, LA with the Annulment morph or stacking it with Empowered Ward is tankier than HA in itself; granted you keep up the shield. Be complacent just for a couple seconds and you can be just like a turtle without its shell.

Now, certain adds and bosses even in normal dungeons and boss pits can still smack you really hard, and even though you got HA on, you still see a big chunk of your hp gone. I don't know how many times l'm doing dolmen and Mage daily delve, particularly sololy, and without paying attention, my screen glows red indicating my toon is about to die. I'm like, what the *beep*?! This is normal contents.. right? Sheesh. I'm also realizing DoTs from adds' bow shot are packing more heat cause l'm realizing when my screen does go red, l look around and the bow dude been spamming bow shots at my toon.

So, l switched up my allocation a bit. I used to have like 19-20% on (damn, braincramp), the one that mitigates direct attack; is it Iron Clad or Thick-skin? Anyways, l dropped that down to bout 9-10%, then plus up the DoT mitigation to 10%, beefed up both the HA Focus and Spell Resist to bout 2067 a piece and kept both of my Hardy and Elemental at bout 13% and the rest divi-ed up between Bastion and the healing recovery. Since and even without food buff, l haven't seen the red screen much and can solo a lot of world bosses, even without food buff. Although, it is bit more challenging when your toon's hp is round 13k and stam only bout 33k, or Magsorc with same hp and mag. Ha ha

@GreenhaloX , so let me get this straight, your a dps in pve content using heavy armor and no food, and you have 33k Stam on a magsorc?

Do me a favor, go kill a 3 million health dummy skeleton and tell me what your dps is after you kill it. Thanks

No need.. l prefer to fight something that fights back. ..and no, that's 33k maj on a Magsorc, btw. Sorry, must have been confusing. .. and yes, l killed those 3 mil hp overland bosses in Craglorn as well with relatively no problem without food buff, and yes, with HA.. and they fight back. l'm just one who doesn't care much about the digits displaying from attacking a stationary and non-static target dummy.

..and yes, I wear HA with my sorc and all my other stams. Yes, it's an MMO, but l prefer playing ESO sololy and not really into group contents like trials. It's the way l play, going on 3 years now, and l kill things, anything, quite well. With food buff, l can also clear those vet dungeons (allowable; without needing a second to interrupt something) just fine sololy.

srfrogg23

Viva la... passive resistance?

I do the same thing. It works out pretty well. I also put a bunch of points in elemental, physical, and dot resistance in the next tree over.

pteam

GreenhaloX wrote: »

pteam wrote: »

GreenhaloX wrote: »

I'm not a fan of light armor; thus, of course l don't use it. However, you should feel tanky enough just with Dampen Magic or the other Annulment morph, or if you're a Magsorc with Empowered Ward. I favor HA all around because of the passives, but just because it's HA doesn't mean it's more indestructible. To me, LA with the Annulment morph or stacking it with Empowered Ward is tankier than HA in itself; granted you keep up the shield. Be complacent just for a couple seconds and you can be just like a turtle without its shell.

Now, certain adds and bosses even in normal dungeons and boss pits can still smack you really hard, and even though you got HA on, you still see a big chunk of your hp gone. I don't know how many times l'm doing dolmen and Mage daily delve, particularly sololy, and without paying attention, my screen glows red indicating my toon is about to die. I'm like, what the *beep*?! This is normal contents.. right? Sheesh. I'm also realizing DoTs from adds' bow shot are packing more heat cause l'm realizing when my screen does go red, l look around and the bow dude been spamming bow shots at my toon.

So, l switched up my allocation a bit. I used to have like 19-20% on (damn, braincramp), the one that mitigates direct attack; is it Iron Clad or Thick-skin? Anyways, l dropped that down to bout 9-10%, then plus up the DoT mitigation to 10%, beefed up both the HA Focus and Spell Resist to bout 2067 a piece and kept both of my Hardy and Elemental at bout 13% and the rest divi-ed up between Bastion and the healing recovery. Since and even without food buff, l haven't seen the red screen much and can solo a lot of world bosses, even without food buff. Although, it is bit more challenging when your toon's hp is round 13k and stam only bout 33k, or Magsorc with same hp and mag. Ha ha

@GreenhaloX , so let me get this straight, your a dps in pve content using heavy armor and no food, and you have 33k Stam on a magsorc?

Do me a favor, go kill a 3 million health dummy skeleton and tell me what your dps is after you kill it. Thanks

No need.. l prefer to fight something that fights back. ..and no, that's 33k maj on a Magsorc, btw. Sorry, must have been confusing. .. and yes, l killed those 3 mil hp overland bosses in Craglorn as well with relatively no problem without food buff, and yes, with HA.. and they fight back. l'm just one who doesn't care much about the digits displaying from attacking a stationary and non-static target dummy.

..and yes, I wear HA with my sorc and all my other stams. Yes, it's an MMO, but l prefer playing ESO sololy and not really into group contents like trials. It's the way l play, going on 3 years now, and l kill things, anything, quite well. With food buff, l can also clear those vet dungeons (allowable; without needing a second to interrupt something) just fine sololy.

Please just go kill one 3m health skeleton one time, it’ll take u only a few minutes. It’ll show you how terrible your dps is, and why you shouldn’t be giving advice for dps to use heavy armor in pve

GreenhaloX

pteam wrote: »

GreenhaloX wrote: »

pteam wrote: »

GreenhaloX wrote: »

I'm not a fan of light armor; thus, of course l don't use it. However, you should feel tanky enough just with Dampen Magic or the other Annulment morph, or if you're a Magsorc with Empowered Ward. I favor HA all around because of the passives, but just because it's HA doesn't mean it's more indestructible. To me, LA with the Annulment morph or stacking it with Empowered Ward is tankier than HA in itself; granted you keep up the shield. Be complacent just for a couple seconds and you can be just like a turtle without its shell.

Now, certain adds and bosses even in normal dungeons and boss pits can still smack you really hard, and even though you got HA on, you still see a big chunk of your hp gone. I don't know how many times l'm doing dolmen and Mage daily delve, particularly sololy, and without paying attention, my screen glows red indicating my toon is about to die. I'm like, what the *beep*?! This is normal contents.. right? Sheesh. I'm also realizing DoTs from adds' bow shot are packing more heat cause l'm realizing when my screen does go red, l look around and the bow dude been spamming bow shots at my toon.

So, l switched up my allocation a bit. I used to have like 19-20% on (damn, braincramp), the one that mitigates direct attack; is it Iron Clad or Thick-skin? Anyways, l dropped that down to bout 9-10%, then plus up the DoT mitigation to 10%, beefed up both the HA Focus and Spell Resist to bout 2067 a piece and kept both of my Hardy and Elemental at bout 13% and the rest divi-ed up between Bastion and the healing recovery. Since and even without food buff, l haven't seen the red screen much and can solo a lot of world bosses, even without food buff. Although, it is bit more challenging when your toon's hp is round 13k and stam only bout 33k, or Magsorc with same hp and mag. Ha ha

@GreenhaloX , so let me get this straight, your a dps in pve content using heavy armor and no food, and you have 33k Stam on a magsorc?

Do me a favor, go kill a 3 million health dummy skeleton and tell me what your dps is after you kill it. Thanks

No need.. l prefer to fight something that fights back. ..and no, that's 33k maj on a Magsorc, btw. Sorry, must have been confusing. .. and yes, l killed those 3 mil hp overland bosses in Craglorn as well with relatively no problem without food buff, and yes, with HA.. and they fight back. l'm just one who doesn't care much about the digits displaying from attacking a stationary and non-static target dummy.

..and yes, I wear HA with my sorc and all my other stams. Yes, it's an MMO, but l prefer playing ESO sololy and not really into group contents like trials. It's the way l play, going on 3 years now, and l kill things, anything, quite well. With food buff, l can also clear those vet dungeons (allowable; without needing a second to interrupt something) just fine sololy.

Please just go kill one 3m health skeleton one time, it’ll take u only a few minutes. It’ll show you how terrible your dps is, and why you shouldn’t be giving advice for dps to use heavy armor in pve

Again, no need. It's a video game. I play how l want to play. You don't like it. Fine.. you're entitled to that, but, I don't give a rat's ass. Don't come on here trying to bash on me. Instead, share your ideas and what's good. You don't like HA for dps or don't think it works, then good for you. I like it and works well for me over light or medium. l'm entitled to play this game or another game how l like and enjoy it and sharing my views on what l see is good. Do the same or run along and play your game.