Marksman’s vs Automaton: Which gives more Damage?

Vaoh

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For anyone trying to make a PvP Bow build, I can tell you from a lot of experience that Morag Tong is absolutely a “BiS” set to use, ofc being paired with Lethal Arrow. Marksmans is a great second 5-piece, and even Swamp Raider if applicable to your build. Master/Maelstrom/Asylum are all powerful as well. Also worth mentioning that in the combo of Lethal Arrow -> Arrow Spray with an Asylum Bow, the Arrow Spray will proc Morag Tong AND Asylum bonus before Lethal Arrow strikes, assuming there is a small distance between you and the target. High burst from this alone.

The reason I was wondering about Automaton vs Marksmans is because I was simply just curious which one is stronger in terms of pure damage output.

I used to run Morag before, but have since found out there's better sets for raw damage :P


Spriggan is more damage, as is Night Mother's Gaze (next patch).

3x Agi 1x Kena 1x Kra'gh is also more damage, atleast if you previously couldn't go 5/1/1 with Morag (as is often the case if your 2nd set is Marksman).

Ugh.... nvm then ._.

The thing about Spriggans though is that the penetration loses all effectiveness vs shielded targets. Morag Tong is also a powerful, constantly applying debuff. It increases allied Dmg against the target and provides a debuff for the enemy to purge. Stacking with Siphoner from CPs, an Efficient Purge is made useless.

As for Agility/Kena/Kra’gh.... does that really beat the 2x Weapon Dmg, 1x Max Stam, and then 10% poison Dmg from Morag Tong? I find that hard to believe that a 10% poison bonus is worth less than what is essentially less than 2x more stat bonuses.

Yeah, I'd definitely slot Morag when playing with other bow users (or people with poison damage) - it's easily BiS in those scenarios.

How it negates purge can also be useful, though usually on bow build you aim to just one shot people & skip that stage entirely :P

That said, NMG will be really good for that purpose next patch... the Major Fracture gets reapplied every time you deal crit damage with anything, so it's really annoying to try to get rid of it.


I tested 5 Marksman+5x Morag Tong+Asylum Bow (7 medium) vs 5x Marksman+3x Agi+1x Kena+1x Kra'gh (5/1/1 medium) just a few months ago (after Dragon Bones update) and 5/1/1 was doing some 500-1k more damage.

I'm not sure how it'd compare if both setups were 5/1/1 medium, but being able to get some extra stamina from Undaunted passive certainly helps.

Also keep in mind that the Morag Tong 10% damage taken debuff is bundled up with Asylum Bow's +50% dmg taken, so it's not really a flat 10% increase.

Good points. I can tell you have a lot of experience with this stuff lol. Ty for the insight!

skyhawk002

@voah how would asylum bow even help if people are sniping from afar? I’m trying to figure out a build myself with automaton and spriggans but it just doesn’t quite work