Ayleid designs

immozz01

"released" a year? ago now, where are the ayleid design drops? there are suppose to be numerous versions of Ayleid bookcases and they are really really good looking. I know just one person selling Ayleid bookcases cluttered in Deshaan on the entire European server.... can those other designs be included in the drops from the voucher merchant?? a furniture item should be at peoples houses, not hidden in a database!

VaranisArano

Ayleid purple and blue furnishing plans drop from killing mobs in Ayleid ruins. They seem to be fairly rare, even when people were farming for them.

If you dont want to farm them yourself, you might have better luck asking in-game for a crafter who knows Ayleid recipes.

Kaktus

They are indeed very rare drops from mobs in Ayleid ruins. It took me a couple hours just to get one, the Ayleid bench

Synozeer

VaranisArano wrote: »

Ayleid purple and blue furnishing plans drop from killing mobs in Ayleid ruins. They seem to be fairly rare, even when people were farming for them.

If you dont want to farm them yourself, you might have better luck asking in-game for a crafter who knows Ayleid recipes.

Do the Ayleid dungeons drop those plans, or just ruins scattered around Tamriel?

immozz01

its an insanely rare drop, try TTC you will not find any purple designs, just 1 person selling cluttered bookcases.
afaik the should be also bookcases Tall, but that design never dropped or was CS only, idk.

like I said before rare is nice but why release stuff so It can hide in a database for a year?

VaranisArano

Synozeer wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Ayleid purple and blue furnishing plans drop from killing mobs in Ayleid ruins. They seem to be fairly rare, even when people were farming for them.

If you dont want to farm them yourself, you might have better luck asking in-game for a crafter who knows Ayleid recipes.

Do the Ayleid dungeons drop those plans, or just ruins scattered around Tamriel?

I dont know about group dungeons, but according to past threads, public dungeons and delves do. Though most people seem to,have farmed the Ayleid public dungeons.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/366778/ayleid-furnishing-plans

Blacknight841

Go to bonesnap ruins in stormhaven with about 2-3 other people. Start running around in circles for about 4-6 hours a day, for about a week. You will get all three purples to drop. They only drop from the humanoid enemies, so bonesnap and rulanyil falls are best for it. More humanoids in the falls, but you also get scraps in bonesnap so it is not a complete waste of time. Possible doubles and can trade them or sell them, plus you will get several of the blues as extras so you can sell them. This is how long it took us to finish a set. These are not terrible to farm since there are only 6 plans and you are not competing agains the other 400 generic blues and purples to get them. Occasionally you will get some generic blues, but we never got a generic purple, so if you get a purple plan, it will be an ayleid plan. Sure its a grind, but there are worse grinds out there. Getting a specific dwarven plan is worse since there are about 10 different purples to pull.

immozz01

Blacknight841 wrote: »

Go to bonesnap ruins in stormhaven with about 2-3 other people. Start running around in circles for about 4-6 hours a day, for about a week. You will get all three purples to drop. They only drop from the humanoid enemies, so bonesnap and rulanyil falls are best for it. More humanoids in the falls, but you also get scraps in bonesnap so it is not a complete waste of time. Possible doubles and can trade them or sell them, plus you will get several of the blues as extras so you can sell them. This is how long it took us to finish a set. These are not terrible to farm since there are only 6 plans and you are not competing agains the other 400 generic blues and purples to get them. Occasionally you will get some generic blues, but we never got a generic purple, so if you get a purple plan, it will be an ayleid plan. Sure its a grind, but there are worse grinds out there. Getting a specific dwarven plan is worse since there are about 10 different purples to pull.

you mention 3 purple designs? I have been checking TTC on the web for weeks, I only see the brazier and cluttered bookcase as a purple, what is the 3rd?

btw I never saw a bookcase design on sale, ever

Blacknight841

There is a bookcase, cluttered and a bookshelf cluttered. (One is short and the other is tall)

Carbonised

Purple Ayleid and some Dwarven plans are much too rare. On the entire PC-EU megaserver, there are Dwarben purples and all Ayleid purples that haven't been for sale at guild traders for many months. When items like that, simply for decoration, are so rare, then something is definitely wrong.

They could use a somewhat increased droprate to actually make them available, instead of being unicorns that no one sees anywhere.

VaranisArano

Carbonised wrote: »

Purple Ayleid and some Dwarven plans are much too rare. On the entire PC-EU megaserver, there are Dwarben purples and all Ayleid purples that haven't been for sale at guild traders for many months. When items like that, simply for decoration, are so rare, then something is definitely wrong.

They could use a somewhat increased droprate to actually make them available, instead of being unicorns that no one sees anywhere.

They could. Or they could continue to leave them rare and thus encorage people who want those items to take the "easy" route and buy those furnishings from the Crown Store furnishings.

Carbonised

VaranisArano wrote: »

Carbonised wrote: »

Purple Ayleid and some Dwarven plans are much too rare. On the entire PC-EU megaserver, there are Dwarben purples and all Ayleid purples that haven't been for sale at guild traders for many months. When items like that, simply for decoration, are so rare, then something is definitely wrong.

They could use a somewhat increased droprate to actually make them available, instead of being unicorns that no one sees anywhere.

They could. Or they could continue to leave them rare and thus encorage people who want those items to take the "easy" route and buy those furnishings from the Crown Store furnishings.

*shrug* Personally I just don't bother with those kinds of furniture if they can only be obtained from the crown store. It doesn't really make me more interested in buying them for money. There's already way too many furnishings that are crown store exclusive as it is.

Lyss1991

Ive been on a hunt for these prints as well. Spent about 6 hours total farming ayelid dungeons for them, And havent seen anything but a couple of the older style furnishing prints. Im also in a housing guild on PS4 NA and there are members thee who have tried multiple times to farm these, And nothing. There are very few people who know how to craft these as well. I understand leaving a few things rare, But sheesh this is SUPER RARE.

Lyss1991

Ive only tried twice since ive started looking into them. I dont necessarily need them as I dont care for the style..I just want them because im a completionist and my ultimate goal is to have all of the prints and recipes. I only need 145 more recipes to finish off provisioning. I need way more blueprints though. Ive been spending alot of time farming them lately. Hopefully I have some luck soon!

Carbonised

6 hours is nothing, unfortunately. I must have 8 hours in Ayleid pub dungeon now, and countless kills. Got a handful common green recipes (aka trash), the Ayleid Welkynd holder (blue recipe) and no purples. Still 3 purples to go then ..

I think this grind is too excessive. Same goes for many of the purple Dwarven plans.

Lyss1991

Oh I know I have a long way to go, No doubt. In the time I have spent trying though, I can tell its gonna be a while. I definitely agree that this grind is excessive. I farm the tombs in Vvardenfell quite often and even though those results are slow as well, I find enough stuff that I still need to know im making progress.

Mix

They drop but are super rare.

3 purple (brazier, short bookcase, tall bookshelf)

3 blue (bench, table, welkynd holder)

immozz01

started grinding the 2 mentioned dungeons with a new char, got the 10.000 dungeon kills ach from just doing that! I got zero purple, 2 blue designs LOL

yes... reconsider droprate!!!!

immozz01

the point is, i think most agree that making something hard to get is a good thing. satisfaction of a reward in the end etc

One of the key points of Eso that makes it so great is that players still run around ALL over on ALL maps, most MMO make the mistake to ignore "old" maps and they die out completely. ESO is your game, your choices, you run everywhere, everything is rewarding in a way.

Ayleid is just a design, an example, its a "warning", ZOS don't get your head stuck in marketing new stuff for months and after launch start aiming on whats after that, have a short look now and then and twink older content, make the game greater how it is NOW and not full focus on how it might be in the future. What if this is a design that 100k players want? (just an example) you want all maps to be empty because all your players are stuck in 1-2 dungeons because you made a booboo on math? adapt, don't ignore

Sticky_Paws

I can personally confirm, that the drop rate for these Ayleid prints is super low. WEEKS of Farming for HOURS on end and out of the group of us, only one can craft two different book cases. A few of us have the weklyd holder and a couple of us have the bench, one of us has the table. And none of us have the brazier fiery. However, the housing guild has other folks who can craft some of what We didnt find or cannot craft. If all of the patterns were easy to find there wouldn't be much to housing... it keeps it interesting and frustrating too.

I'm happy that the Summerset chapter puts special zone prints with a higher drop rate verses base zone racial prints and common items. They specifically stated Morrowind, Clockwork City and I inferred Summerset prints will be included that they fall much more frequently, Yet I have wanted this concept to hold true from the beginning. I THINK if you travel to Wrothgar You should find ORC prints/plans 85 % of the time. AND Redguard should fall from Alikr Desert 85 % of the drops.... but if I find d a khajiit in one of those places maybe it would drop khajiit or maybe a zone specific print... But this wild card model from the beginning should change. When you travel to a foreign country you expect to see items that are local to the place, not 99% other location stuff.

Lyss1991

I personally dont mind farming and hunting for these kind of things. I find it fun. I spend alot of time doing it tbh. All the little things like farming for recipes/prints, pickpocketing, fishing, farming are some of my favorite parts of this game. I like exploring. I like finding things.

Almariel

I also dont mind farming.. but running in circles in Ayleid ruins each day for several weeks without a single purple ayleid plan drop is a little bit too much...

Carbonised

The droprate for about 8 of the purple Dwarven plans, as well as the 3 Ayleid plans, is beyond punishing. We're on the same level as aetherial dust and cipher here.

Please stop with these rare unicorn recipes. No one expects stuff to be handed to them on plates, but farming the same dungeon over and over for hours on end for days on end should at least be rewarded with these recipes. They droprate needs to be increased so they're at least somewhat reasonable to farm and get. right now you're just wasting your time for many, many hours with no result. That's neither fun nor engaging.

riberion

I've managed to pull 2 of the purple plan for the brazier, but no bookshelves. I've farmed for weeks, off and on, mostly closer to when they were first released. I do have all the blue plans, and have found multiples of those, especially the welkynd holder.

GrimAndProper

They are far too rare. A few days prior to summerset launch a guildie of mine sold one of the bookcase blueprints for 5.5 million.....

Although not quite as bad the dwarven recipes (and dwemer frames) also have a pretty bad drop rate. With the increase in Morrowind/ CWC plans drop rate I was really hoping ZOS would look into increasing these as well.

That said the one thing I don't want is more daedric plans or clockwork panel, singles... HIgher drop chance doesn't mean every time I walk in to a delve I get one.

Carbonised

GrimAndProper wrote: »

They are far too rare. A few days prior to summerset launch a guildie of mine sold one of the bookcase blueprints for 5.5 million.....

Although not quite as bad the dwarven recipes (and dwemer frames) also have a pretty bad drop rate. With the increase in Morrowind/ CWC plans drop rate I was really hoping ZOS would look into increasing these as well.

That said the one thing I don't want is more daedric plans or clockwork panel, singles... HIgher drop chance doesn't mean every time I walk in to a delve I get one.

These recipes really show just how out of sync the furnishing/crafting systems team is with the playerbase.

It's baffling how they cannot see that people kill billions of Daedra, simply due to all the Dark Anchor farming, all the dungeons with Daedras and simply overland Daedric enemy mobs. Of course the Daedric plans will drop all over the place. And on the other hand, there are few Ayleid dungeons, and people don't really spend a lot of time in them, unless you're farming specifically for the recipes.

It's been a year now since these recipes were added, and no changes in droprate as been made, no adjustments. It's yet another ZOS modus operandi, they just choose a droprate % and leave it at that. Very few times they actually go back and adjust droprates, even when they make huge mistakes like this.
Droprates for Dwarven and Ayleid should have been increased a long time ago, while Daedric plans should be decreased. It's not really rocket science.

Supposedly CWC plans have been increased this update as well, but I've spent several evenings looting CWC, and 7 out of 8 plans I pull are still base game trash. I've pretty much lost all faith in the furnishing/crafting department at ZOS, they keep making huge mistakes, and they never bother to go back and correct them. It's killing all the joy and excitement for the whole furnishing aspect for me.

Blacknight841

Carbonised wrote: »

GrimAndProper wrote: »

They are far too rare. A few days prior to summerset launch a guildie of mine sold one of the bookcase blueprints for 5.5 million.....

Although not quite as bad the dwarven recipes (and dwemer frames) also have a pretty bad drop rate. With the increase in Morrowind/ CWC plans drop rate I was really hoping ZOS would look into increasing these as well.

That said the one thing I don't want is more daedric plans or clockwork panel, singles... HIgher drop chance doesn't mean every time I walk in to a delve I get one.

These recipes really show just how out of sync the furnishing/crafting systems team is with the playerbase.

It's baffling how they cannot see that people kill billions of Daedra, simply due to all the Dark Anchor farming, all the dungeons with Daedras and simply overland Daedric enemy mobs. Of course the Daedric plans will drop all over the place. And on the other hand, there are few Ayleid dungeons, and people don't really spend a lot of time in them, unless you're farming specifically for the recipes.

It's been a year now since these recipes were added, and no changes in droprate as been made, no adjustments. It's yet another ZOS modus operandi, they just choose a droprate % and leave it at that. Very few times they actually go back and adjust droprates, even when they make huge mistakes like this.
Droprates for Dwarven and Ayleid should have been increased a long time ago, while Daedric plans should be decreased. It's not really rocket science.

Supposedly CWC plans have been increased this update as well, but I've spent several evenings looting CWC, and 7 out of 8 plans I pull are still base game trash. I've pretty much lost all faith in the furnishing/crafting department at ZOS, they keep making huge mistakes, and they never bother to go back and correct them. It's killing all the joy and excitement for the whole furnishing aspect for me.

It is no different than farming for a sharpened inferno staff from maelstrom. I know people that had to run over 100 runs to get the staff. Assuming they can run it in an hour, that means they spent at least 100 hours farming for it. Sure the circles get a little mind numbing, but it is not impossible. Took us over a months of hard farming, and we pulled more than one set of the purple plans. If the dungeon doesn't produce in an hour, log on a different character, maybe you will have better luck. As for the Dwarven plans, all of those could have easily been obtained but several people complained that they are not "morrowind" plans, despite being introduced with Morrowind. I highly doubt it would have made the morrowind plans so much harder to get if there had been 20 dwarven purples in the loot table for the envelopes. I do not see anyone complaining that they cannot get the Reguard Vase, Gilded. This plan was introduced with morrowind, does not show up in any of the envelopes, and has the lowest drop rate out of any plan in the game, with the hardest farm. At least with the Ayleid plans, you know the location and you have a 33% chance of getting the right plan if you pull a purple. You have a 5% chance of pulling the right Dwarven purple plan if you pull a purple plan in a dwemer ruin. You have a 100% chance of pulling the Blackmarrow table in fang lair if you pull a purple plan. There is a 0.78% chance you will pull the right plan from the morrowind envelopes. You have a 5.26% chance to pull the right clockwork purple. There is a 1.78% chance you pull the right purple summerset plan. Finally there is a 0.26% chance you pull the right basic race plan from the hlaalu envelopes... but there a 0.19% chance you pull the Reguard Vase, Gilded from all the plans that drop in morrowind (alternatively you can farm it in clockwork city, where you have a slightly better chance at 0.24% chance. In conclusion, the Ayleid farm is in fact a lot more generous than the other drop rates. (by correct plan, i mean a specific plan you want).

Side note, had the morrowind envelopes stayed the same as they were in the pts. You would have a 0.676% chance of getting the plan you want, vs the current 0.78% chance to get the right morrowind plan you want. The only difference would be that you would have the dwarven plans you are missing lol.

Carbonised

@Blacknight841

Your information is heavily skewed and somewhat false.

First, the actual chance of getting an Ayleid plan drop is miniscule compared to farming other recipes. There are no Ayleids to pickpocket, no Ayleid nightstands and wardrobes to loot. Only NPCs to grind for ages. And even when plans do drop, they'll most likely be base game trash, not Ayleid plans. So it's not a "generous" farm at all.

Secondly, leaving Dwarven plans on Morrowind documents would have included the trash Daedric ones as well. Getting a 20 gold value Daedric plan for 50 vouchers is absolutely a no-go. Plus it's much more elegant to leave the Vvardenfell exclusive zone plans in the documents, since the Dwarven and Daedric ones are obtainable from all over the zones.

Your comparison with gear farming is also wrong. We can transmute, any old staff will work, no matter the trait. We only have documents for Vvardenfell, the other DLCs don't have them. And a precise or infused staff is just as good as a sharp, infused is even BIS these days. I can't get a slightly worse version of my missing recipes.
Gear farming today is a joke, it's so easy with transmutation. Farming recipes is the real headache.

Also, long story short, none of this would even be a debate or an issue of all the recipes just had a decent droprate. Decent droprates for recipes, as well as keeping DLC/zone appropriate recipes in their zones instead of filling the loottables with base game trash, would completely eliminate all complaints.

I still pull 8 base game trash recipes in CWC for every Clockwork one.

Carbonised

Side note, Redguard Vase, Gilded should have been included in the documents, it's stupid that it didn't. I guess the reason why you don't hear much complaints about that one, is because it's buyable for 250-400k, I've seen it for sale lots of places, and I bought it myself long ago. Ayleid bookcases and the few Dwarven ones aren't for sale, they're notwhere to be found, and I hear the extremely few times they do get sold, it's within a few minutes and for upwards of 5M per recipe.
Compared to that, the redguard vase is extremely easy to obtain.
Still it should have been included in the documents, no reason why it shouldn't.

supaskrub

Blacknight841 wrote: »

Go to bonesnap ruins in stormhaven with about 2-3 other people. Start running around in circles for about 4-6 hours a day, for about a week. You will get all three purples to drop. They only drop from the humanoid enemies, so bonesnap and rulanyil falls are best for it. More humanoids in the falls, but you also get scraps in bonesnap so it is not a complete waste of time. Possible doubles and can trade them or sell them, plus you will get several of the blues as extras so you can sell them. This is how long it took us to finish a set. These are not terrible to farm since there are only 6 plans and you are not competing agains the other 400 generic blues and purples to get them. Occasionally you will get some generic blues, but we never got a generic purple, so if you get a purple plan, it will be an ayleid plan. Sure its a grind, but there are worse grinds out there. Getting a specific dwarven plan is worse since there are about 10 different purples to pull.

You are presuming that they only drop from humanoid enemies, they drop from any enemy I can assure you.. I dropped Ayelied Bookcase, Cluttered from one of the two trash mob Ogres who are in front of the Ogre boss who guards the skyshard in Bonesnap, I farmed the place for 2-3 weeks and I have had the prints drop from humanoids, Durzogs and Ogres.

I'm on XBOX-EU server if anyone needs any ayleid bookcases crafting I will be only too happy as long as you supply mats.. Same gt as here

Wreuntzylla

The problem isn't the rarity of the item. The problem is how many items are rare. A completionist should have to consume themselves to complete everything, but it should not be impossible.

VaranisArano wrote: »

Carbonised wrote: »

Purple Ayleid and some Dwarven plans are much too rare. On the entire PC-EU megaserver, there are Dwarben purples and all Ayleid purples that haven't been for sale at guild traders for many months. When items like that, simply for decoration, are so rare, then something is definitely wrong.

They could use a somewhat increased droprate to actually make them available, instead of being unicorns that no one sees anywhere.

They could. Or they could continue to leave them rare and thus encorage people who want those items to take the "easy" route and buy those furnishings from the Crown Store furnishings.

I dropped $60 on these.