Thoughts on this Stamdk 2h/bow medium build for next patch

Exodium

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master bow with weapon damage enchant. Self explanatory. Try to make sure its infused, and make sure you gold the bow otherwise you'll lack on healing.
5x fortified brass/impreg on body. Make sure to have at least 2-3 well-fittet, as you'll need to dodge a lot to be able to actually heal.
tri-stats on big pieces, max stam on small ones.(you should aim for 5M-1H-1L on f.brass, 5M-2H on impreg)
3x spriggan jewelry+2x 2H spriggan sword. Nirnhorned.(axe or maul will do aswell, but sword is recommended for this playstyle, since it mainly shines at kiting and bursting down people in a few hits, which is something stamDk is very weak at, but you asked for it, so I'm giving you a build regardless.)
2x Selene/blood spawn/troll king (TK on races with hp recovery, selene for damage, blood spawn for a little bit of everything)

One last thing: use poisons on your 2h bar.

Might work but I don't think the sustain on this build will be that good even in medium. Hence why I'd rather get my mitigation from a front barred armour master set (which provides better mitigation than fortified brass), and get my damage/sustain from bone pirate.

Agreed with monster set and master bow though.

With armor master your sustain will be worse, as that set basically forces you to spam shuffle every 10 seconds.
Not only it is a massive stamina drain, it also makes you go like ''oh, armor master ran out, let me re shuffle'' in the middle of combat, which is just bad.

I've tried the setup I mentioned above , with agility+asylum 2h, instead of spriggans. and as a redguard I didn't had much sustain issues. Since the setup actually has more mitigation than heavy armor, it was very easy for me to run around with barely 1500 stam regen and still, I was sustaining pretty well.

As a stamDk you already do have tons of things to keep track of. Your dots, heals,buffs,debuffs,positioning, enchants,poisons etc..
And on top of all that spamming shuffle every 10 seconds is just... no. I'll pass.

Yes but think about how often we are snared in PvP, and considering that shuffle only really lasts 2.5 seconds, I'd imagine you'd want to be casting it at least once every 10 seconds. If its on your front bar its not that bad either because you can cast it just before you're about to go fully offensive.

Btw not sure if you read previous posts but yeah Im not using the setup on a dk anymore but a stamsorc cause I think it works a lot better, with less buffs to maintain as you said. I probably should fix it in the title lol.

you should fix that title then. For stamsorc what I would do is 5xfortified brass+5x automaton(only on 2h bar)+2x master dw+2x troll king.

Automaton is a really, really solid front bar set for stamsorc.

As for fortified brass vs armor master, there really isn't any point wearing this set anymore. It used to be nice because you could back bar it , which allowed another 5x set like bone pirate, but you can wear 2 full 5 piece sets now, and even wear a full monster set on top of it. If you still insist on it, you're free to go ahead and try it out, maybe you'll like it, but I highly doubt that.

Yeah I'll give it a shot. I like the idea of being able to front bar armour master, have bone pirate, a monster set AND a master bow.

I also have master dw so I might give that a go but not sure why automaton would be on 2h bar only? Are you saying that I have to apply rending on dw bar and then go ahead using the normal 2h skills as dps? (dizzying swing, Executioner etc).

Ragnarock41

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You'll definitely want Night Mother's Gaze next patch if you play a non-S&B stam DK (or sorc/stamplar for that matter) as it's practically giving you 1830 more penetration than Spriggan with the Major Fracture that gets applied after every instance of crit damage.

Easily the strongest set for any stam build that doesn't have easy access to Major Fracture, unless you're playing in grp & someone is already applying that on targets.

isnt NMG giving the major fracture buff now as 5th piece? thats pretty garbage for Nb or Dk tbh. If you truly want major fracture on a bow build you can use noxious breath.(garbage skill but it still has the debuff with it, so.)

One other thing I would like to say is, penetration is overrated. Stacking high weapon damage with good crit gives you a lot better results.
I've compared spriggans to automaton and overall my leaps were hitting a lot harder with automaton. Stacking tons of weapon damage is extremely beneficial for stamDk, as it scales very well on take flight. (a glass cannon build easily goes beyond 30k tooltip)
As for dealing with tanky targets, 2h mace passive does the trick.

Sure, you can slot garbage skills like Noxious Breath (as sDK)/slot S&B and use Ransack - or alternatively you can only run good skills on your bar(s) and use a set like NMG.


Spriggan used to be BiS for maximum damage last patch unless hitting a target with dmg shield (or if you were already overpenetrating) and Night Mother's Gaze is just a far better Spriggan (except for stamblades who get Major Fracture with Surprise Attack, or stam wardens who get it with Shalks).

I've already tested on PTS to confirm NMG is BiS if you want as big numbers as possible. Best thing? It's also a crafted set, which means more flexibility.

I would still stick to pierce armor, since its the best spammable for non-cp stamDk, just like how SnB is the best weapon for stamDk, without a doubt. But , even though I don't recommend playing with a bow, if you do it, having strong stats is going to beat having a strong debuff on your 5th piece. higher weapon damage equals to better heals, and if your enemy is already debuffed by someone else, then you're gonna get no value out of NMG. Its not practical in a chaotic fight with multiple enemies involved. Open world PvP is not like dummy parses or 1v1 duels. Unless you're running solo and hunting for other solo players, then NMG makes perfect sense. But then again, why not play a stamblade for that purpose,which has easy major fracture on its already very strong spammable anyways?

Well, I'm mostly looking at things from 1v1/1vX perspective.

But even in group fights it's useful to be able to apply Major Fracture to everyone you deal crit damage to, just in case there isn't a stamblade around. It's also extremely annoying to purge since it gets reapplied literally every time you crit (there's no cooldown on the set).

You can also apply it to multiple people at the same time with something like jabs or any other AoE.


Tbh I'm more interested in playing stam DK/stamplar/stam warden next patch, as those don't necessarily get one shot by sorc Rune Cage combo next patch if you play medium armor non-tank build (with wings/ritual/shimmering, respectively).

Sadly wings are just impossible to sustain on a stamDk. and Its even worse with no constution. If you're thinking of using it a lot, then you'll be giving up on major mending, which isn't ideal. I guess you could overcome this by wearing medium shacklebreaker and going vampire, maybe changing food to get more magicka regen, but at that point, you'll be losing too much on tankyness and damage stats. (I'm totally going out of my mind trying to make this work in my head, but no matter how much you optimize for it, stamden will always be more cost effective sadly.)

maaaan. This is just a nightmare no matter what build you use. Why even bother.. what were the devs even thinking, giving sorcs an unstoppable one shot combo...

Durham

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StamDK can be freaking brutal, sure i struggle alot in outnumbered, but i can still take down few in the proccess.
Build for tankiness if u go med armor, should be fine.

The build u shared is pretty good, i always wanted to try this one.
Let me know how it went.

Someone that equal skilled as you ... You will lose ! What is so brutal on a stam dk ?

Have you never seen an enemy just vanish after taking a whopping leap to the face?

@Exodium
Thats a nice build u have there, Im using the same sets currently in Sotha but im running DW/2H instead of bow/2h.
Dots are mean in non-cp man

What pots do you run if you have to have a bow for mobility? There are some nice speed pots out there to use which give you 100% major expedition uptime. You could look into those if having a bow isnt vital for your build.

I have also seen them block it... I have also seen it fail to go off a million times... sub+Db > leap...

Leap is a good ultimate but DB is just as good... what else do you have?

MaxwellC

Not a fan of proc monster sets especially blood spawn since it's just a crutch players use rather than relying on tactic but it doesn't seem good IMO.
Bone pirate is good but armor master I just don't understand it's purpose when there's other sets that provide way better bonuses IMO.

Ragnarock41

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master bow with weapon damage enchant. Self explanatory. Try to make sure its infused, and make sure you gold the bow otherwise you'll lack on healing.
5x fortified brass/impreg on body. Make sure to have at least 2-3 well-fittet, as you'll need to dodge a lot to be able to actually heal.
tri-stats on big pieces, max stam on small ones.(you should aim for 5M-1H-1L on f.brass, 5M-2H on impreg)
3x spriggan jewelry+2x 2H spriggan sword. Nirnhorned.(axe or maul will do aswell, but sword is recommended for this playstyle, since it mainly shines at kiting and bursting down people in a few hits, which is something stamDk is very weak at, but you asked for it, so I'm giving you a build regardless.)
2x Selene/blood spawn/troll king (TK on races with hp recovery, selene for damage, blood spawn for a little bit of everything)

One last thing: use poisons on your 2h bar.

Might work but I don't think the sustain on this build will be that good even in medium. Hence why I'd rather get my mitigation from a front barred armour master set (which provides better mitigation than fortified brass), and get my damage/sustain from bone pirate.

Agreed with monster set and master bow though.

With armor master your sustain will be worse, as that set basically forces you to spam shuffle every 10 seconds.
Not only it is a massive stamina drain, it also makes you go like ''oh, armor master ran out, let me re shuffle'' in the middle of combat, which is just bad.

I've tried the setup I mentioned above , with agility+asylum 2h, instead of spriggans. and as a redguard I didn't had much sustain issues. Since the setup actually has more mitigation than heavy armor, it was very easy for me to run around with barely 1500 stam regen and still, I was sustaining pretty well.

As a stamDk you already do have tons of things to keep track of. Your dots, heals,buffs,debuffs,positioning, enchants,poisons etc..
And on top of all that spamming shuffle every 10 seconds is just... no. I'll pass.

Yes but think about how often we are snared in PvP, and considering that shuffle only really lasts 2.5 seconds, I'd imagine you'd want to be casting it at least once every 10 seconds. If its on your front bar its not that bad either because you can cast it just before you're about to go fully offensive.

Btw not sure if you read previous posts but yeah Im not using the setup on a dk anymore but a stamsorc cause I think it works a lot better, with less buffs to maintain as you said. I probably should fix it in the title lol.

you should fix that title then. For stamsorc what I would do is 5xfortified brass+5x automaton(only on 2h bar)+2x master dw+2x troll king.

Automaton is a really, really solid front bar set for stamsorc.

As for fortified brass vs armor master, there really isn't any point wearing this set anymore. It used to be nice because you could back bar it , which allowed another 5x set like bone pirate, but you can wear 2 full 5 piece sets now, and even wear a full monster set on top of it. If you still insist on it, you're free to go ahead and try it out, maybe you'll like it, but I highly doubt that.

Yeah I'll give it a shot. I like the idea of being able to front bar armour master, have bone pirate, a monster set AND a master bow.

I also have master dw so I might give that a go but not sure why automaton would be on 2h bar only? Are you saying that I have to apply rending on dw bar and then go ahead using the normal 2h skills as dps? (dizzying swing, Executioner etc).

work your imagination. Armor master is a good back bar set. If you're using it on front bar , it has basically zero value over fortified brass. If you're using it as a back bar set, then it has some value over f.brass, but its still small.

Automaton is an amazingfront bar set, because it buffs your physical damage. this also includes your rally. Just like how sun increases embers heal. This is why you use automaton on your stamsorc, but only on your front bar. your swing,crit rush,hurricane, rally , all will get buffed from it, and your back bar will mostly have utility skills+rending slashes for the master dw . Since automaton does not buff your vigor(which should be on your back bar), there is no reason to wear it over master dw or master bow.

Exodium

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master bow with weapon damage enchant. Self explanatory. Try to make sure its infused, and make sure you gold the bow otherwise you'll lack on healing.
5x fortified brass/impreg on body. Make sure to have at least 2-3 well-fittet, as you'll need to dodge a lot to be able to actually heal.
tri-stats on big pieces, max stam on small ones.(you should aim for 5M-1H-1L on f.brass, 5M-2H on impreg)
3x spriggan jewelry+2x 2H spriggan sword. Nirnhorned.(axe or maul will do aswell, but sword is recommended for this playstyle, since it mainly shines at kiting and bursting down people in a few hits, which is something stamDk is very weak at, but you asked for it, so I'm giving you a build regardless.)
2x Selene/blood spawn/troll king (TK on races with hp recovery, selene for damage, blood spawn for a little bit of everything)

One last thing: use poisons on your 2h bar.

Might work but I don't think the sustain on this build will be that good even in medium. Hence why I'd rather get my mitigation from a front barred armour master set (which provides better mitigation than fortified brass), and get my damage/sustain from bone pirate.

Agreed with monster set and master bow though.

With armor master your sustain will be worse, as that set basically forces you to spam shuffle every 10 seconds.
Not only it is a massive stamina drain, it also makes you go like ''oh, armor master ran out, let me re shuffle'' in the middle of combat, which is just bad.

I've tried the setup I mentioned above , with agility+asylum 2h, instead of spriggans. and as a redguard I didn't had much sustain issues. Since the setup actually has more mitigation than heavy armor, it was very easy for me to run around with barely 1500 stam regen and still, I was sustaining pretty well.

As a stamDk you already do have tons of things to keep track of. Your dots, heals,buffs,debuffs,positioning, enchants,poisons etc..
And on top of all that spamming shuffle every 10 seconds is just... no. I'll pass.

Yes but think about how often we are snared in PvP, and considering that shuffle only really lasts 2.5 seconds, I'd imagine you'd want to be casting it at least once every 10 seconds. If its on your front bar its not that bad either because you can cast it just before you're about to go fully offensive.

Btw not sure if you read previous posts but yeah Im not using the setup on a dk anymore but a stamsorc cause I think it works a lot better, with less buffs to maintain as you said. I probably should fix it in the title lol.

you should fix that title then. For stamsorc what I would do is 5xfortified brass+5x automaton(only on 2h bar)+2x master dw+2x troll king.

Automaton is a really, really solid front bar set for stamsorc.

As for fortified brass vs armor master, there really isn't any point wearing this set anymore. It used to be nice because you could back bar it , which allowed another 5x set like bone pirate, but you can wear 2 full 5 piece sets now, and even wear a full monster set on top of it. If you still insist on it, you're free to go ahead and try it out, maybe you'll like it, but I highly doubt that.

Yeah I'll give it a shot. I like the idea of being able to front bar armour master, have bone pirate, a monster set AND a master bow.

I also have master dw so I might give that a go but not sure why automaton would be on 2h bar only? Are you saying that I have to apply rending on dw bar and then go ahead using the normal 2h skills as dps? (dizzying swing, Executioner etc).

work your imagination. Armor master is a good back bar set. If you're using it on front bar , it has basically zero value over fortified brass. If you're using it as a back bar set, then it has some value over f.brass, but its still small.

Automaton is an amazingfront bar set, because it buffs your physical damage. this also includes your rally. Just like how sun increases embers heal. This is why you use automaton on your stamsorc, but only on your front bar. your swing,crit rush,hurricane, rally , all will get buffed from it, and your back bar will mostly have utility skills+rending slashes for the master dw . Since automaton does not buff your vigor(which should be on your back bar), there is no reason to wear it over master dw or master bow.

Thats not true. Fortified brass/impreg are sets that have to be used on the body to make them useful, even next patch. However, armour master can be ONE BARRED as of next patch with both 2h+ jewellry, which allows you to run a 5 medium body of your choice (bone pirate, automaton, hunding, hulking whatever you want) - these sets would be active at ALL TIMES because they are on the body, which means damage oriented sets will buff heals on both front and back bar.

AND guess what? You get to run a master dw/bow on top of that. ANDDDDDD guess what? you get to run a monster set on top of that.

I'm not sure why this is difficult to understand lol.

Ragnarock41

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master bow with weapon damage enchant. Self explanatory. Try to make sure its infused, and make sure you gold the bow otherwise you'll lack on healing.
5x fortified brass/impreg on body. Make sure to have at least 2-3 well-fittet, as you'll need to dodge a lot to be able to actually heal.
tri-stats on big pieces, max stam on small ones.(you should aim for 5M-1H-1L on f.brass, 5M-2H on impreg)
3x spriggan jewelry+2x 2H spriggan sword. Nirnhorned.(axe or maul will do aswell, but sword is recommended for this playstyle, since it mainly shines at kiting and bursting down people in a few hits, which is something stamDk is very weak at, but you asked for it, so I'm giving you a build regardless.)
2x Selene/blood spawn/troll king (TK on races with hp recovery, selene for damage, blood spawn for a little bit of everything)

One last thing: use poisons on your 2h bar.

Might work but I don't think the sustain on this build will be that good even in medium. Hence why I'd rather get my mitigation from a front barred armour master set (which provides better mitigation than fortified brass), and get my damage/sustain from bone pirate.

Agreed with monster set and master bow though.

With armor master your sustain will be worse, as that set basically forces you to spam shuffle every 10 seconds.
Not only it is a massive stamina drain, it also makes you go like ''oh, armor master ran out, let me re shuffle'' in the middle of combat, which is just bad.

I've tried the setup I mentioned above , with agility+asylum 2h, instead of spriggans. and as a redguard I didn't had much sustain issues. Since the setup actually has more mitigation than heavy armor, it was very easy for me to run around with barely 1500 stam regen and still, I was sustaining pretty well.

As a stamDk you already do have tons of things to keep track of. Your dots, heals,buffs,debuffs,positioning, enchants,poisons etc..
And on top of all that spamming shuffle every 10 seconds is just... no. I'll pass.

Yes but think about how often we are snared in PvP, and considering that shuffle only really lasts 2.5 seconds, I'd imagine you'd want to be casting it at least once every 10 seconds. If its on your front bar its not that bad either because you can cast it just before you're about to go fully offensive.

Btw not sure if you read previous posts but yeah Im not using the setup on a dk anymore but a stamsorc cause I think it works a lot better, with less buffs to maintain as you said. I probably should fix it in the title lol.

you should fix that title then. For stamsorc what I would do is 5xfortified brass+5x automaton(only on 2h bar)+2x master dw+2x troll king.

Automaton is a really, really solid front bar set for stamsorc.

As for fortified brass vs armor master, there really isn't any point wearing this set anymore. It used to be nice because you could back bar it , which allowed another 5x set like bone pirate, but you can wear 2 full 5 piece sets now, and even wear a full monster set on top of it. If you still insist on it, you're free to go ahead and try it out, maybe you'll like it, but I highly doubt that.

Yeah I'll give it a shot. I like the idea of being able to front bar armour master, have bone pirate, a monster set AND a master bow.

I also have master dw so I might give that a go but not sure why automaton would be on 2h bar only? Are you saying that I have to apply rending on dw bar and then go ahead using the normal 2h skills as dps? (dizzying swing, Executioner etc).

work your imagination. Armor master is a good back bar set. If you're using it on front bar , it has basically zero value over fortified brass. If you're using it as a back bar set, then it has some value over f.brass, but its still small.

Automaton is an amazingfront bar set, because it buffs your physical damage. this also includes your rally. Just like how sun increases embers heal. This is why you use automaton on your stamsorc, but only on your front bar. your swing,crit rush,hurricane, rally , all will get buffed from it, and your back bar will mostly have utility skills+rending slashes for the master dw . Since automaton does not buff your vigor(which should be on your back bar), there is no reason to wear it over master dw or master bow.

Thats not true. Fortified brass/impreg are sets that have to be used on the body to make them useful, even next patch. However, armour master can be ONE BARRED as of next patch with both 2h+ jewellry, which allows you to run a 5 medium body of your choice (bone pirate, automaton, hunding, hulking whatever you want) - these sets would be active at ALL TIMES because they are on the body, which means damage oriented sets will buff heals on both front and back bar.

AND guess what? You get to run a master dw/bow on top of that. ANDDDDDD guess what? you get to run a monster set on top of that.

I'm not sure why this is difficult to understand lol.

You're the one that does not want to understand it actually. But really Its not my loss. I'm talking from experience, not theorycrafting in my mind.
I've used both sets. and yes, I used armor master properly, 3 body and SnB on back bar, with 5 piece bone pirate. F.brass is gonna be just as versatile as armor master in summerset. When you can use 2 full 5 piece setups, there are not many reason to use back bar sets.

As I said, go ahead and try it out, I've already gone through the trouble of testing it on action, just don't tell me I didn't warn you about it.

Exodium

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Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Exodium wrote: »

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master bow with weapon damage enchant. Self explanatory. Try to make sure its infused, and make sure you gold the bow otherwise you'll lack on healing.
5x fortified brass/impreg on body. Make sure to have at least 2-3 well-fittet, as you'll need to dodge a lot to be able to actually heal.
tri-stats on big pieces, max stam on small ones.(you should aim for 5M-1H-1L on f.brass, 5M-2H on impreg)
3x spriggan jewelry+2x 2H spriggan sword. Nirnhorned.(axe or maul will do aswell, but sword is recommended for this playstyle, since it mainly shines at kiting and bursting down people in a few hits, which is something stamDk is very weak at, but you asked for it, so I'm giving you a build regardless.)
2x Selene/blood spawn/troll king (TK on races with hp recovery, selene for damage, blood spawn for a little bit of everything)

One last thing: use poisons on your 2h bar.

Might work but I don't think the sustain on this build will be that good even in medium. Hence why I'd rather get my mitigation from a front barred armour master set (which provides better mitigation than fortified brass), and get my damage/sustain from bone pirate.

Agreed with monster set and master bow though.

With armor master your sustain will be worse, as that set basically forces you to spam shuffle every 10 seconds.
Not only it is a massive stamina drain, it also makes you go like ''oh, armor master ran out, let me re shuffle'' in the middle of combat, which is just bad.

I've tried the setup I mentioned above , with agility+asylum 2h, instead of spriggans. and as a redguard I didn't had much sustain issues. Since the setup actually has more mitigation than heavy armor, it was very easy for me to run around with barely 1500 stam regen and still, I was sustaining pretty well.

As a stamDk you already do have tons of things to keep track of. Your dots, heals,buffs,debuffs,positioning, enchants,poisons etc..
And on top of all that spamming shuffle every 10 seconds is just... no. I'll pass.

Yes but think about how often we are snared in PvP, and considering that shuffle only really lasts 2.5 seconds, I'd imagine you'd want to be casting it at least once every 10 seconds. If its on your front bar its not that bad either because you can cast it just before you're about to go fully offensive.

Btw not sure if you read previous posts but yeah Im not using the setup on a dk anymore but a stamsorc cause I think it works a lot better, with less buffs to maintain as you said. I probably should fix it in the title lol.

you should fix that title then. For stamsorc what I would do is 5xfortified brass+5x automaton(only on 2h bar)+2x master dw+2x troll king.

Automaton is a really, really solid front bar set for stamsorc.

As for fortified brass vs armor master, there really isn't any point wearing this set anymore. It used to be nice because you could back bar it , which allowed another 5x set like bone pirate, but you can wear 2 full 5 piece sets now, and even wear a full monster set on top of it. If you still insist on it, you're free to go ahead and try it out, maybe you'll like it, but I highly doubt that.

Yeah I'll give it a shot. I like the idea of being able to front bar armour master, have bone pirate, a monster set AND a master bow.

I also have master dw so I might give that a go but not sure why automaton would be on 2h bar only? Are you saying that I have to apply rending on dw bar and then go ahead using the normal 2h skills as dps? (dizzying swing, Executioner etc).

work your imagination. Armor master is a good back bar set. If you're using it on front bar , it has basically zero value over fortified brass. If you're using it as a back bar set, then it has some value over f.brass, but its still small.

Automaton is an amazingfront bar set, because it buffs your physical damage. this also includes your rally. Just like how sun increases embers heal. This is why you use automaton on your stamsorc, but only on your front bar. your swing,crit rush,hurricane, rally , all will get buffed from it, and your back bar will mostly have utility skills+rending slashes for the master dw . Since automaton does not buff your vigor(which should be on your back bar), there is no reason to wear it over master dw or master bow.

Thats not true. Fortified brass/impreg are sets that have to be used on the body to make them useful, even next patch. However, armour master can be ONE BARRED as of next patch with both 2h+ jewellry, which allows you to run a 5 medium body of your choice (bone pirate, automaton, hunding, hulking whatever you want) - these sets would be active at ALL TIMES because they are on the body, which means damage oriented sets will buff heals on both front and back bar.

AND guess what? You get to run a master dw/bow on top of that. ANDDDDDD guess what? you get to run a monster set on top of that.

I'm not sure why this is difficult to understand lol.

You're the one that does not want to understand it actually. But really Its not my loss. I'm talking from experience, not theorycrafting in my mind.
I've used both sets. and yes, I used armor master properly, 3 body and SnB on back bar, with 5 piece bone pirate. F.brass is gonna be just as versatile as armor master in summerset. When you can use 2 full 5 piece setups, there are not many reason to use back bar sets.

As I said, go ahead and try it out, I've already gone through the trouble of testing it on action, just don't tell me I didn't warn you about it.

Technically you will always have a one bar set if you use fortified or impreg because they have to be on the body or jewelry. So if you pair fortified with hulking, hulking can only be on one bar, same with bone pirate, automaton etc. This means if you go to your backbar where vigour is or green dragon blood (assuming you're using a dk), you won't get the benefit of the 5piece of these sets so your healing will suffer.

This is why in my view it's better to have the damage oriented set active at all times and the defensive set on one bar (yet armour master is a proc that gives u 10 seconds of resistance no matter what bar you're on).

Anyways I'll try it out and if it doesn't work I'll go back to heavy armour cause in my view this is the only way that medium armour seems appealing.

Exodium

@Ragnarock41 actually one way brass or impreg is better is if you use a proc damage set like 7th legion and front bar that. For example, you could use medium brass body, seventh jewellry and 2h, and then master dw/bow. The seventh legion proc will also carry over to that bar too, so yes in this circumstance armour master isn't worth it.

But for sets like bone pirate, automaton and hulking who aren't proc based, I think it's better to have them always active. Me personally I think bone pirate is the best medium set in the game so Im trying to figure out a way to incorporate that into a setup with a defensive set as well whilst keeping master bow or dw, and monster set. Armour master is the only defensive set where that's possible unfortunately.

montjie

Durham wrote: »

montjie wrote: »

Durham wrote: »

amir412 wrote: »

StamDK can be freaking brutal, sure i struggle alot in outnumbered, but i can still take down few in the proccess.
Build for tankiness if u go med armor, should be fine.

The build u shared is pretty good, i always wanted to try this one.
Let me know how it went.

Someone that equal skilled as you ... You will lose ! What is so brutal on a stam dk ?

Have you never seen an enemy just vanish after taking a whopping leap to the face?

@Exodium
Thats a nice build u have there, Im using the same sets currently in Sotha but im running DW/2H instead of bow/2h.
Dots are mean in non-cp man

What pots do you run if you have to have a bow for mobility? There are some nice speed pots out there to use which give you 100% major expedition uptime. You could look into those if having a bow isnt vital for your build.

I have also seen them block it... I have also seen it fail to go off a million times... sub+Db > leap...

Leap is a good ultimate but DB is just as good... what else do you have?

I was talking aesthetics
DB's aesthetics come nowhere NEAR leap especially when you use leap from max range.
What pipe youre on mate??

U wanna talk effectiveness, any build can be brutal in the right players hand against the right enemy. I honestly dont get what you want to hear regarding this matter

Example if you take on an enemy group of 6-8 in an enemy keep by yourself picking them off 1 by 1 by letting dots nibble at them a bit while kiting, then come around the corner to gapclose a whopping leap in their faces.
Is that brutal?

Ragnarock41

montjie wrote: »

Durham wrote: »

montjie wrote: »

Durham wrote: »

amir412 wrote: »

StamDK can be freaking brutal, sure i struggle alot in outnumbered, but i can still take down few in the proccess.
Build for tankiness if u go med armor, should be fine.

The build u shared is pretty good, i always wanted to try this one.
Let me know how it went.

Someone that equal skilled as you ... You will lose ! What is so brutal on a stam dk ?

Have you never seen an enemy just vanish after taking a whopping leap to the face?

@Exodium
Thats a nice build u have there, Im using the same sets currently in Sotha but im running DW/2H instead of bow/2h.
Dots are mean in non-cp man

What pots do you run if you have to have a bow for mobility? There are some nice speed pots out there to use which give you 100% major expedition uptime. You could look into those if having a bow isnt vital for your build.

I have also seen them block it... I have also seen it fail to go off a million times... sub+Db > leap...

Leap is a good ultimate but DB is just as good... what else do you have?

I was talking aesthetics
DB's aesthetics come nowhere NEAR leap especially when you use leap from max range.


U wanna talk effectiveness, any build can be brutal in the right players hand against the right enemy.

lmao roleplayers and their copy paste answers. Yeah sure if you're a good enough player you can use fists to kill enemies too, how about that? Absolutely aesthetic too. Roleplayer material right there, go make a naked orc that only uses fists now.