Thoughts on this Stamdk 2h/bow medium build for next patch

Exodium

With the new changes coming in summerset I thought I'd make use of the 2H counting as 2 piece and have theorycrafted the following setup that I think could potentially work.

5 Bone Pirate (Body)
5 armour Master Front Bar (3 jewellry + 2h, procced from shuffle on front bar)
Master Bow Backbar
Bloodspawn

I'm thinking this build will give me the tankiness of heavy armour, the mobility of using a bow with shuffle, and decent sustain from medium and bone pirate. The damage from master bow and medium should also be good.

What do you guys think? Is this setup lacking in comparison to other theorycrafted builds for next patch? Is armour master + bone pirate overkill on tankiness and should I go with something more offensive?

KaraBela94

Trust me....go with StamSorc. You will have a better Time.
Dont bother yourself with a StamDK...it will just let you cry

Exodium

KaraBela94 wrote: »

Trust me....go with StamSorc. You will have a better Time.
Dont bother yourself with a StamDK...it will just let you cry

Actually yeah I might even run the build on a stam sorc instead

amir412

StamDK can be freaking brutal, sure i struggle alot in outnumbered, but i can still take down few in the proccess.
Build for tankiness if u go med armor, should be fine.

The build u shared is pretty good, i always wanted to try this one.
Let me know how it went.

Exodium

amir412 wrote: »

StamDK can be freaking brutal, sure i struggle alot in outnumbered, but i can still take down few in the proccess.
Build for tankiness if u go med armor, should be fine.

The build u shared is pretty good, i always wanted to try this one.
Let me know how it went.

Yeah unfortunately you can't run the build at the moment. It's only possible when 2h counts as two pieces in summerset. But thanks will let you know

amir412

@Exodium Why not? u can run it on 1 bar and still get the 10 seconds buff

nCats

Your build might work, but the people saying that 2h/bow is better on stamsorc are not without reason. But.

What you can make though is a good DoT-dk, if you're into niche builds. I would go sloads+viper+skoria. It is pretty powerful: I ran a viper+skoria+cyro's crest (for easy defile) and that had its moments.

Not sure about medium, maybe in CP campaigns, yes.

Exodium

nCats wrote: »

Your build might work, but the people saying that 2h/bow is better on stamsorc are not without reason. But.

What you can make though is a good DoT-dk, if you're into niche builds. I would go sloads+viper+skoria. It is pretty powerful: I ran a viper+skoria+cyro's crest (for easy defile) and that had its moments.

Not sure about medium, maybe in CP campaigns, yes.

I honestly feel like the defile meta will die soon cause atm it's too strong. I sense a big nerf to befoul this year. Other than that the build sounds good but I'd probably try use master dw instead of viper cause I think the dot isn't strong enough.

And yes it build will be CP Campaign. I'm pretty sure I'll be at the same resistances heavy armour with bloodspawn armour master.

Exodium

amir412 wrote: »

@Exodium Why not? u can run it on 1 bar and still get the 10 seconds buff

Well if you run armour master in the current patch front bar, that means you only have 4 body pieces remaining which means you can't run a full 5 piece set on the body WITH a master bow.

Waffennacht

You're missing sload

Exodium

Waffennacht wrote: »

You're missing sload

Lol! Im going more for a Max stat build rather than something that relies on defile/procs which are likely to be nerfed I reckon.

nCats

Exodium wrote: »

nCats wrote: »

Your build might work, but the people saying that 2h/bow is better on stamsorc are not without reason. But.

What you can make though is a good DoT-dk, if you're into niche builds. I would go sloads+viper+skoria. It is pretty powerful: I ran a viper+skoria+cyro's crest (for easy defile) and that had its moments.

Not sure about medium, maybe in CP campaigns, yes.

I honestly feel like the defile meta will die soon cause atm it's too strong. I sense a big nerf to befoul this year. Other than that the build sounds good but I'd probably try use master dw instead of viper cause I think the dot isn't strong enough.

And yes it build will be CP Campaign. I'm pretty sure I'll be at the same resistances heavy armour with bloodspawn armour master.

You got your points. Although now you can do all, if you go dw: viper everywhere, Sload 2h backbar, master frontbar dw, you will have so many dots on the enemy that sload will proc easily during the rotation. It is true that in CP procs look unappealing but you have so many of them it starts to suffocate. Of course, the stupid burst setups on other classes will likely remain of greater danger.

Asardes

I run a medium armor build but 2/3 sets provide resistance bonuses. This way I can end up with almost the same resistance as a heavy armor build. This will only become fully functional in Summerset, since the back bar 2H sword will count as 2 pieces then. I intend to change necklace trait from healthy to infused. Also Bone Pirate is getting fixed this patch since currently the bonus stamina from the 5th piece doesn't fully count for skills scaling; see the PTS patch notes regarding this and also the Fragmented Shield changes. http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=59017

TheYKcid

A quick tip to.optimise the build you have in mind:

Run Bone Pirate jewelry instead of Armor Master. Since you will now require 3 pieces of AM on the body, you can use a heavy chest piece, which will net you an extra 347 resistances.

It will also save you a substantial amount of time, since jewelrycrafting is looking to be a tremendous grind based on PTS playtesting.

BP jewelry on the other hand is fairly easy to farm, even in purple quality.

Exodium

TheYKcid wrote: »

A quick tip to.optimise the build you have in mind:

Run Bone Pirate jewelry instead of Armor Master. Since you will now require 3 pieces of AM on the body, you can use a heavy chest piece, which will net you an extra 347 resistances.

It will also save you a substantial amount of time, since jewelrycrafting is looking to be a tremendous grind based on PTS playtesting.

BP jewelry on the other hand is fairly easy to farm, even in purple quality.

Thanks! You actually just confirmed exactly what I had thought of the other day. That's a really good suggestion

Thogard

Exodium wrote: »

nCats wrote: »

Your build might work, but the people saying that 2h/bow is better on stamsorc are not without reason. But.

What you can make though is a good DoT-dk, if you're into niche builds. I would go sloads+viper+skoria. It is pretty powerful: I ran a viper+skoria+cyro's crest (for easy defile) and that had its moments.

Not sure about medium, maybe in CP campaigns, yes.

I honestly feel like the defile meta will die soon cause atm it's too strong. I sense a big nerf to befoul this year. Other than that the build sounds good but I'd probably try use master dw instead of viper cause I think the dot isn't strong enough.

And yes it build will be CP Campaign. I'm pretty sure I'll be at the same resistances heavy armour with bloodspawn armour master.

Befoul needs to be toned down by around 33% at each level. For instance a 30% befoul bonus should be 20%. That won’t have too big an effect.

The bigger change is that befoul should be in the blue tree where it belongs. Befoul has no business in the resource recovery tree.

crusnik91

@Exodium
DK doesn't benefit much from high Regeneration I personally wouldn't use Bone Piratada as a 5 piece. A nice way to do a stam DK for 2h Bow (in my humble opinion) next patch is the following

Overkill Ulti Regen Build
2x Monster - BS or velidreth or even pirate skeleton
2x jewelry - Agi Rings
3x Body 2x 2H - Spriggans
1x jewelry 2x Body 2x Bow - Tava's favor (use dodge on bow bar and shuffle to proc it)

OR

Mad Damage Build
1x Monster - Defensive one like Mighty Chudan Or Pirate skelety
1x Jewelry 2x 2H - Agi set (get mad leap damage on 2H)
5x Body Fanged Serpent Set (use poison injection and 2x DOT poisons and noxious breath to proc it to 4.3k penetration)
2x jewelry 1x Body 2x Bow - Tava's favor (use dodge on bow bar and shuffle to proc it)

I personally dislike 2h bow on DK but those 2 are the build I theorycrafted. But they most likely won't posted on YT because it just ain't my cuppa tea. But if u wanna try 2h + S&B I can recommand this build

Build:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDjsaZ2RyZA

Gameplay:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=246dQa7N3Ts

Exodium

crusnik91 wrote: »

@Exodium
DK doesn't benefit much from high Regeneration I personally wouldn't use Bone Piratada as a 5 piece. A nice way to do a stam DK for 2h Bow (in my humble opinion) next patch is the following

Overkill Ulti Regen Build
2x Monster - BS or velidreth or even pirate skeleton
2x jewelry - Agi Rings
3x Body 2x 2H - Spriggans
1x jewelry 2x Body 2x Bow - Tava's favor (use dodge on bow bar and shuffle to proc it)

OR

Mad Damage Build
1x Monster - Defensive one like Mighty Chudan Or Pirate skelety
1x Jewelry 2x 2H - Agi set (get mad leap damage on 2H)
5x Body Fanged Serpent Set (use poison injection and 2x DOT poisons and noxious breath to proc it to 4.3k penetration)
2x jewelry 1x Body 2x Bow - Tava's favor (use dodge on bow bar and shuffle to proc it)

I personally dislike 2h bow on DK but those 2 are the build I theorycrafted. But they most likely won't posted on YT because it just ain't my cuppa tea. But if u wanna try 2h + S&B I can recommand this build

Build:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDjsaZ2RyZA

Gameplay:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=246dQa7N3Ts

Thanks for the heads up.

Yeah I've gone with what another poster said and am going to use the build I wrote up on a Stam Sorc instead, which I feel benefits more from using 2h/bow and bone pirate more than a Stamdk.

I definitely don't want to use 2h/1h shield setup lol I really hate that playstyle.

Durham

amir412 wrote: »

StamDK can be freaking brutal, sure i struggle alot in outnumbered, but i can still take down few in the proccess.
Build for tankiness if u go med armor, should be fine.

The build u shared is pretty good, i always wanted to try this one.
Let me know how it went.

Someone that equal skilled as you ... You will lose ! What is so brutal on a stam dk ?

montjie

Durham wrote: »

amir412 wrote: »

StamDK can be freaking brutal, sure i struggle alot in outnumbered, but i can still take down few in the proccess.
Build for tankiness if u go med armor, should be fine.

The build u shared is pretty good, i always wanted to try this one.
Let me know how it went.

Someone that equal skilled as you ... You will lose ! What is so brutal on a stam dk ?

Have you never seen an enemy just vanish after taking a whopping leap to the face?

@Exodium
Thats a nice build u have there, Im using the same sets currently in Sotha but im running DW/2H instead of bow/2h.
Dots are mean in non-cp man

What pots do you run if you have to have a bow for mobility? There are some nice speed pots out there to use which give you 100% major expedition uptime. You could look into those if having a bow isnt vital for your build.

Ragnarock41

master bow with weapon damage enchant. Self explanatory. Try to make sure its infused, and make sure you gold the bow otherwise you'll lack on healing.
5x fortified brass/impreg on body. Make sure to have at least 2-3 well-fittet, as you'll need to dodge a lot to be able to actually heal.
tri-stats on big pieces, max stam on small ones.(you should aim for 5M-1H-1L on f.brass, 5M-2H on impreg)
3x spriggan jewelry+2x 2H spriggan sword. Nirnhorned.(axe or maul will do aswell, but sword is recommended for this playstyle, since it mainly shines at kiting and bursting down people in a few hits, which is something stamDk is very weak at, but you asked for it, so I'm giving you a build regardless.)
2x Selene/blood spawn/troll king (TK on races with hp recovery, selene for damage, blood spawn for a little bit of everything)

One last thing: use poisons on your 2h bar.

Exodium

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

master bow with weapon damage enchant. Self explanatory. Try to make sure its infused, and make sure you gold the bow otherwise you'll lack on healing.
5x fortified brass/impreg on body. Make sure to have at least 2-3 well-fittet, as you'll need to dodge a lot to be able to actually heal.
tri-stats on big pieces, max stam on small ones.(you should aim for 5M-1H-1L on f.brass, 5M-2H on impreg)
3x spriggan jewelry+2x 2H spriggan sword. Nirnhorned.(axe or maul will do aswell, but sword is recommended for this playstyle, since it mainly shines at kiting and bursting down people in a few hits, which is something stamDk is very weak at, but you asked for it, so I'm giving you a build regardless.)
2x Selene/blood spawn/troll king (TK on races with hp recovery, selene for damage, blood spawn for a little bit of everything)

One last thing: use poisons on your 2h bar.

Might work but I don't think the sustain on this build will be that good even in medium. Hence why I'd rather get my mitigation from a front barred armour master set (which provides better mitigation than fortified brass), and get my damage/sustain from bone pirate.

Agreed with monster set and master bow though.

Exodium

montjie wrote: »

Durham wrote: »

amir412 wrote: »

StamDK can be freaking brutal, sure i struggle alot in outnumbered, but i can still take down few in the proccess.
Build for tankiness if u go med armor, should be fine.

The build u shared is pretty good, i always wanted to try this one.
Let me know how it went.

Someone that equal skilled as you ... You will lose ! What is so brutal on a stam dk ?

Have you never seen an enemy just vanish after taking a whopping leap to the face?

@Exodium
Thats a nice build u have there, Im using the same sets currently in Sotha but im running DW/2H instead of bow/2h.
Dots are mean in non-cp man

What pots do you run if you have to have a bow for mobility? There are some nice speed pots out there to use which give you 100% major expedition uptime. You could look into those if having a bow isnt vital for your build.

Thanks! Yeah you could even do a 2h/DW alternative of this build with master dw or something similar.

In regards to pots I'd probably run immov+stam recovery pots seeing as I dont need expedition. Or even tri pots

Ragnarock41

Exodium wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

master bow with weapon damage enchant. Self explanatory. Try to make sure its infused, and make sure you gold the bow otherwise you'll lack on healing.
5x fortified brass/impreg on body. Make sure to have at least 2-3 well-fittet, as you'll need to dodge a lot to be able to actually heal.
tri-stats on big pieces, max stam on small ones.(you should aim for 5M-1H-1L on f.brass, 5M-2H on impreg)
3x spriggan jewelry+2x 2H spriggan sword. Nirnhorned.(axe or maul will do aswell, but sword is recommended for this playstyle, since it mainly shines at kiting and bursting down people in a few hits, which is something stamDk is very weak at, but you asked for it, so I'm giving you a build regardless.)
2x Selene/blood spawn/troll king (TK on races with hp recovery, selene for damage, blood spawn for a little bit of everything)

One last thing: use poisons on your 2h bar.

Might work but I don't think the sustain on this build will be that good even in medium. Hence why I'd rather get my mitigation from a front barred armour master set (which provides better mitigation than fortified brass), and get my damage/sustain from bone pirate.

Agreed with monster set and master bow though.

With armor master your sustain will be worse, as that set basically forces you to spam shuffle every 10 seconds.
Not only it is a massive stamina drain, it also makes you go like ''oh, armor master ran out, let me re shuffle'' in the middle of combat, which is just bad.

I've tried the setup I mentioned above , with agility+asylum 2h, instead of spriggans. and as a redguard I didn't had much sustain issues. Since the setup actually has more mitigation than heavy armor, it was very easy for me to run around with barely 1500 stam regen and still, I was sustaining pretty well.

As a stamDk you already do have tons of things to keep track of. Your dots, heals,buffs,debuffs,positioning, enchants,poisons etc..
And on top of all that spamming shuffle every 10 seconds is just... no. I'll pass.

Exodium

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Exodium wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

master bow with weapon damage enchant. Self explanatory. Try to make sure its infused, and make sure you gold the bow otherwise you'll lack on healing.
5x fortified brass/impreg on body. Make sure to have at least 2-3 well-fittet, as you'll need to dodge a lot to be able to actually heal.
tri-stats on big pieces, max stam on small ones.(you should aim for 5M-1H-1L on f.brass, 5M-2H on impreg)
3x spriggan jewelry+2x 2H spriggan sword. Nirnhorned.(axe or maul will do aswell, but sword is recommended for this playstyle, since it mainly shines at kiting and bursting down people in a few hits, which is something stamDk is very weak at, but you asked for it, so I'm giving you a build regardless.)
2x Selene/blood spawn/troll king (TK on races with hp recovery, selene for damage, blood spawn for a little bit of everything)

One last thing: use poisons on your 2h bar.

Might work but I don't think the sustain on this build will be that good even in medium. Hence why I'd rather get my mitigation from a front barred armour master set (which provides better mitigation than fortified brass), and get my damage/sustain from bone pirate.

Agreed with monster set and master bow though.

With armor master your sustain will be worse, as that set basically forces you to spam shuffle every 10 seconds.
Not only it is a massive stamina drain, it also makes you go like ''oh, armor master ran out, let me re shuffle'' in the middle of combat, which is just bad.

I've tried the setup I mentioned above , with agility+asylum 2h, instead of spriggans. and as a redguard I didn't had much sustain issues. Since the setup actually has more mitigation than heavy armor, it was very easy for me to run around with barely 1500 stam regen and still, I was sustaining pretty well.

As a stamDk you already do have tons of things to keep track of. Your dots, heals,buffs,debuffs,positioning, enchants,poisons etc..
And on top of all that spamming shuffle every 10 seconds is just... no. I'll pass.

Yes but think about how often we are snared in PvP, and considering that shuffle only really lasts 2.5 seconds, I'd imagine you'd want to be casting it at least once every 10 seconds. If its on your front bar its not that bad either because you can cast it just before you're about to go fully offensive.

Btw not sure if you read previous posts but yeah Im not using the setup on a dk anymore but a stamsorc cause I think it works a lot better, with less buffs to maintain as you said. I probably should fix it in the title lol.

Ragnarock41

Exodium wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Exodium wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

master bow with weapon damage enchant. Self explanatory. Try to make sure its infused, and make sure you gold the bow otherwise you'll lack on healing.
5x fortified brass/impreg on body. Make sure to have at least 2-3 well-fittet, as you'll need to dodge a lot to be able to actually heal.
tri-stats on big pieces, max stam on small ones.(you should aim for 5M-1H-1L on f.brass, 5M-2H on impreg)
3x spriggan jewelry+2x 2H spriggan sword. Nirnhorned.(axe or maul will do aswell, but sword is recommended for this playstyle, since it mainly shines at kiting and bursting down people in a few hits, which is something stamDk is very weak at, but you asked for it, so I'm giving you a build regardless.)
2x Selene/blood spawn/troll king (TK on races with hp recovery, selene for damage, blood spawn for a little bit of everything)

One last thing: use poisons on your 2h bar.

Might work but I don't think the sustain on this build will be that good even in medium. Hence why I'd rather get my mitigation from a front barred armour master set (which provides better mitigation than fortified brass), and get my damage/sustain from bone pirate.

Agreed with monster set and master bow though.

With armor master your sustain will be worse, as that set basically forces you to spam shuffle every 10 seconds.
Not only it is a massive stamina drain, it also makes you go like ''oh, armor master ran out, let me re shuffle'' in the middle of combat, which is just bad.

I've tried the setup I mentioned above , with agility+asylum 2h, instead of spriggans. and as a redguard I didn't had much sustain issues. Since the setup actually has more mitigation than heavy armor, it was very easy for me to run around with barely 1500 stam regen and still, I was sustaining pretty well.

As a stamDk you already do have tons of things to keep track of. Your dots, heals,buffs,debuffs,positioning, enchants,poisons etc..
And on top of all that spamming shuffle every 10 seconds is just... no. I'll pass.

Yes but think about how often we are snared in PvP, and considering that shuffle only really lasts 2.5 seconds, I'd imagine you'd want to be casting it at least once every 10 seconds. If its on your front bar its not that bad either because you can cast it just before you're about to go fully offensive.

Btw not sure if you read previous posts but yeah Im not using the setup on a dk anymore but a stamsorc cause I think it works a lot better, with less buffs to maintain as you said. I probably should fix it in the title lol.

you should fix that title then. For stamsorc what I would do is 5xfortified brass+5x automaton(only on 2h bar)+2x master dw+2x troll king.

Automaton is a really, really solid front bar set for stamsorc.

As for fortified brass vs armor master, there really isn't any point wearing this set anymore. It used to be nice because you could back bar it , which allowed another 5x set like bone pirate, but you can wear 2 full 5 piece sets now, and even wear a full monster set on top of it. If you still insist on it, you're free to go ahead and try it out, maybe you'll like it, but I highly doubt that.

DDuke

You'll definitely want Night Mother's Gaze next patch if you play a non-S&B stam DK (or sorc/stamplar for that matter) as it's practically giving you 1830 more penetration than Spriggan with the Major Fracture that gets applied after every instance of crit damage.

Easily the strongest set for any stam build that doesn't have easy access to Major Fracture, unless you're playing in grp & someone is already applying that on targets.

Ragnarock41

DDuke wrote: »

You'll definitely want Night Mother's Gaze next patch if you play a non-S&B stam DK (or sorc/stamplar for that matter) as it's practically giving you 1830 more penetration than Spriggan with the Major Fracture that gets applied after every instance of crit damage.

Easily the strongest set for any stam build that doesn't have easy access to Major Fracture, unless you're playing in grp & someone is already applying that on targets.

isnt NMG giving the major fracture buff now as 5th piece? thats pretty garbage for Nb or Dk tbh. If you truly want major fracture on a bow build you can use noxious breath.(garbage skill but it still has the debuff with it, so.)

One other thing I would like to say is, penetration is overrated. Stacking high weapon damage with good crit gives you a lot better results.
I've compared spriggans to automaton and overall my leaps were hitting a lot harder with automaton. Stacking tons of weapon damage is extremely beneficial for stamDk, as it scales very well on take flight. (a glass cannon build easily goes beyond 30k tooltip)
As for dealing with tanky targets, 2h mace passive does the trick.

DDuke

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

You'll definitely want Night Mother's Gaze next patch if you play a non-S&B stam DK (or sorc/stamplar for that matter) as it's practically giving you 1830 more penetration than Spriggan with the Major Fracture that gets applied after every instance of crit damage.

Easily the strongest set for any stam build that doesn't have easy access to Major Fracture, unless you're playing in grp & someone is already applying that on targets.

isnt NMG giving the major fracture buff now as 5th piece? thats pretty garbage for Nb or Dk tbh. If you truly want major fracture on a bow build you can use noxious breath.(garbage skill but it still has the debuff with it, so.)

One other thing I would like to say is, penetration is overrated. Stacking high weapon damage with good crit gives you a lot better results.
I've compared spriggans to automaton and overall my leaps were hitting a lot harder with automaton. Stacking tons of weapon damage is extremely beneficial for stamDk, as it scales very well on take flight. (a glass cannon build easily goes beyond 30k tooltip)
As for dealing with tanky targets, 2h mace passive does the trick.

Sure, you can slot garbage skills like Noxious Breath (as sDK)/slot S&B and use Ransack - or alternatively you can only run good skills on your bar(s) and use a set like NMG.


Spriggan used to be BiS for maximum damage last patch unless hitting a target with dmg shield (or if you were already overpenetrating) and Night Mother's Gaze is just a far better Spriggan (except for stamblades who get Major Fracture with Surprise Attack, or stam wardens who get it with Shalks).

I've already tested on PTS to confirm NMG is BiS if you want as big numbers as possible. Best thing? It's also a crafted set, which means more flexibility.

Ragnarock41

DDuke wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

You'll definitely want Night Mother's Gaze next patch if you play a non-S&B stam DK (or sorc/stamplar for that matter) as it's practically giving you 1830 more penetration than Spriggan with the Major Fracture that gets applied after every instance of crit damage.

Easily the strongest set for any stam build that doesn't have easy access to Major Fracture, unless you're playing in grp & someone is already applying that on targets.

isnt NMG giving the major fracture buff now as 5th piece? thats pretty garbage for Nb or Dk tbh. If you truly want major fracture on a bow build you can use noxious breath.(garbage skill but it still has the debuff with it, so.)

One other thing I would like to say is, penetration is overrated. Stacking high weapon damage with good crit gives you a lot better results.
I've compared spriggans to automaton and overall my leaps were hitting a lot harder with automaton. Stacking tons of weapon damage is extremely beneficial for stamDk, as it scales very well on take flight. (a glass cannon build easily goes beyond 30k tooltip)
As for dealing with tanky targets, 2h mace passive does the trick.

Sure, you can slot garbage skills like Noxious Breath (as sDK)/slot S&B and use Ransack - or alternatively you can only run good skills on your bar(s) and use a set like NMG.


Spriggan used to be BiS for maximum damage last patch unless hitting a target with dmg shield (or if you were already overpenetrating) and Night Mother's Gaze is just a far better Spriggan (except for stamblades who get Major Fracture with Surprise Attack, or stam wardens who get it with Shalks).

I've already tested on PTS to confirm NMG is BiS if you want as big numbers as possible. Best thing? It's also a crafted set, which means more flexibility.

I would still stick to pierce armor, since its the best spammable for non-cp stamDk, just like how SnB is the best weapon for stamDk, without a doubt. But , even though I don't recommend playing with a bow, if you do it, having strong stats is going to beat having a strong debuff on your 5th piece. higher weapon damage equals to better heals, and if your enemy is already debuffed by someone else, then you're gonna get no value out of NMG. Its not practical in a chaotic fight with multiple enemies involved. Open world PvP is not like dummy parses or 1v1 duels. Unless you're running solo and hunting for other solo players, then NMG makes perfect sense. But then again, why not play a stamblade for that purpose,which has easy major fracture on its already very strong spammable anyways?

DDuke

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

You'll definitely want Night Mother's Gaze next patch if you play a non-S&B stam DK (or sorc/stamplar for that matter) as it's practically giving you 1830 more penetration than Spriggan with the Major Fracture that gets applied after every instance of crit damage.

Easily the strongest set for any stam build that doesn't have easy access to Major Fracture, unless you're playing in grp & someone is already applying that on targets.

isnt NMG giving the major fracture buff now as 5th piece? thats pretty garbage for Nb or Dk tbh. If you truly want major fracture on a bow build you can use noxious breath.(garbage skill but it still has the debuff with it, so.)

One other thing I would like to say is, penetration is overrated. Stacking high weapon damage with good crit gives you a lot better results.
I've compared spriggans to automaton and overall my leaps were hitting a lot harder with automaton. Stacking tons of weapon damage is extremely beneficial for stamDk, as it scales very well on take flight. (a glass cannon build easily goes beyond 30k tooltip)
As for dealing with tanky targets, 2h mace passive does the trick.

Sure, you can slot garbage skills like Noxious Breath (as sDK)/slot S&B and use Ransack - or alternatively you can only run good skills on your bar(s) and use a set like NMG.


Spriggan used to be BiS for maximum damage last patch unless hitting a target with dmg shield (or if you were already overpenetrating) and Night Mother's Gaze is just a far better Spriggan (except for stamblades who get Major Fracture with Surprise Attack, or stam wardens who get it with Shalks).

I've already tested on PTS to confirm NMG is BiS if you want as big numbers as possible. Best thing? It's also a crafted set, which means more flexibility.

I would still stick to pierce armor, since its the best spammable for non-cp stamDk, just like how SnB is the best weapon for stamDk, without a doubt. But , even though I don't recommend playing with a bow, if you do it, having strong stats is going to beat having a strong debuff on your 5th piece. higher weapon damage equals to better heals, and if your enemy is already debuffed by someone else, then you're gonna get no value out of NMG. Its not practical in a chaotic fight with multiple enemies involved. Open world PvP is not like dummy parses or 1v1 duels. Unless you're running solo and hunting for other solo players, then NMG makes perfect sense. But then again, why not play a stamblade for that purpose,which has easy major fracture on its already very strong spammable anyways?

Well, I'm mostly looking at things from 1v1/1vX perspective.

But even in group fights it's useful to be able to apply Major Fracture to everyone you deal crit damage to, just in case there isn't a stamblade around. It's also extremely annoying to purge since it gets reapplied literally every time you crit (there's no cooldown on the set).

You can also apply it to multiple people at the same time with something like jabs or any other AoE.


Tbh I'm more interested in playing stam DK/stamplar/stam warden next patch, as those don't necessarily get one shot by sorc Rune Cage combo next patch if you play medium armor non-tank build (with wings/ritual/shimmering, respectively).