If shield breaker is a thing

ezio45

i want a set that does something against roll dodge and heavy armor

ak_pvp

Yes, they are known as dots and even specially for heavy armour, bleeds. If we get heavy/rollbreaker, can dots/bleeds go through shields?

Fair trade IMO.

EDIT: Not an advocate for SB by any means.

d3adpain

lol as if its wasn't cancer already
that stupid set need cool down because of resto staff light attack spammers like 0.8 - 1.5 sec

ezio45

you need alot of dot for to kill heavy armor, currently sorcs have 0 that are effective in pvp

ezio45

and the counter play to dots is purge if your a solo light armor mag class there is nothing to counter shield breaker besides heal more

BohnT

ezio45 wrote: »

and the counter play to dots is purge if your a solo light armor mag class there is nothing to counter shield breaker besides heal more

Purge isn't a counter.
No one can afford to run purge on a dodge build or offensive HA build.
Stop crying for hardcounters and get the current ones removed

ezio45

at least the option exists there is no option to deal with shield breaker

BohnT

ezio45 wrote: »

at least the option exists there is no option to deal with shield breaker

I know there isn't. Still a bad idea to ruin the game for everyone rather than nerfing shieldbreaker

Qbiken

Well, with next patch we will see a power creep in terms of "raw-damage output", and the best way to deal with shields is to stack a lot of weapon-/or spell damage (at least from my experience). So personally I don´t see shieldbreaker as a beneficial set, unless you´re after salt-whisper and hate that is.

Ragnaroek93

Your whole kit already goes through roll and block.
Fury: Initial hit is dodgeable but execute debuff still applies if dodged.
Curse: No counters at all beside Purge.
Meteor: You can force a hit because of Runecage and because Meteor is delayed.
Runecage: Not blockable nor dodgeable.
Frags: Guaranteed hit as follow up after Runecage.

If we give you dodge/blockbreaker, is it ok to make all your skills dodgeable and blockable?

ezio45

rune cage can be cc broken, frags miss all the time

BohnT

ezio45 wrote: »

rune cage can be cc broken, frags miss all the time

And you can force hits with rune cage if you were good you knew that you can hit anyone with any of your skills while using rune cage.

You just do Curse, Meteor, Rune cage, frags and all skills will hit at the same time and he can't break free fast enough.

Kram8ion

But shied breaker isn't a thing (yet)
I've got a set waiting in my inventory for years it did have a short time in the sun but SOON

Silver_Strider

Shieldbreaker + Sload = Salt.

Enslaved

ezio45 wrote: »

i want a set that does something against roll dodge and heavy armor

Against heavy armor - use maces and reverb for defile.
Against roll dodge - use skills and ultimates that cannot be dodged, like plethora of unavoidable stuns and snares, leap and similar.
Issue is you can't make build that is jack of all trades, if you face players of same or greater skill than yours. Its paper rock scissors all the time. Built good against sorcs? You will be rekt by NBs. Built to counter ganks? Prepare to be killed by sorcs. Built to survive a lot of ranged damage? sWar, sSorc and sNB laughs on your corpse. etc.

Murador178

When the class hardcountering dodge the most especially next patch starts to complain about dodge . Think we need a burst through shields like maybe dbos then. Ur whole standard burst kit goes through roll.

WhipSmartMcoy

BohnT wrote: »

ezio45 wrote: »

at least the option exists there is no option to deal with shield breaker

I know there isn't. Still a bad idea to ruin the game for everyone rather than nerfing shieldbreaker

Why don't you guys just kill the SB noob? I know it's nearly impossible when they're hiding behind their zerg but when you get a guy using SB by himself, just curse/frag/execute the guy and move on. Your skills will kill him before SB kills you

Enslaved

WhipSmartMcoy wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

ezio45 wrote: »

at least the option exists there is no option to deal with shield breaker

I know there isn't. Still a bad idea to ruin the game for everyone rather than nerfing shieldbreaker

Why don't you guys just kill the SB noob? I know it's nearly impossible when they're hiding behind their zerg but when you get a guy using SB by himself, just curse/frag/execute the guy and move on. Your skills will kill him before SB kills you

Because if I equip it on my all reflecting sDK any mediocre sorc ( and these who qq about this set are at that or similar level) will either streak away in panic or die.

Strider__Roshin

If rune cage, and curse is a thing...

Can my single target abilities go through damage shields?

Lord-Otto

Daus wrote: »

If rune cage, and curse is a thing...

Can my single target abilities go through damage shields?

Sure, if you can use them only every four or seven seconds!

NyassaV

Actually I kinda agree with this >.<

Biro123

WhipSmartMcoy wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

ezio45 wrote: »

at least the option exists there is no option to deal with shield breaker

I know there isn't. Still a bad idea to ruin the game for everyone rather than nerfing shieldbreaker

Why don't you guys just kill the SB noob? I know it's nearly impossible when they're hiding behind their zerg but when you get a guy using SB by himself, just curse/frag/execute the guy and move on. Your skills will kill him before SB kills you

I've never actually seen a sb noob on their own.

Only ever know they are there when you hear that shum,shum, sound and suddenly realise that a quarter of your health has gone, and no, shield hasn't quite dropped yet. It only ever happens when facing 15+ opponents. As if that wasn't enough on its own....

Normally of-peak too when said faction is pop-locked but the others are at one bar..

Lord-Otto

Biro123 wrote: »

WhipSmartMcoy wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

ezio45 wrote: »

at least the option exists there is no option to deal with shield breaker

I know there isn't. Still a bad idea to ruin the game for everyone rather than nerfing shieldbreaker

Why don't you guys just kill the SB noob? I know it's nearly impossible when they're hiding behind their zerg but when you get a guy using SB by himself, just curse/frag/execute the guy and move on. Your skills will kill him before SB kills you

I've never actually seen a sb noob on their own.

Only ever know they are there when you hear that shum,shum, sound and suddenly realise that a quarter of your health has gone, and no, shield hasn't quite dropped yet. It only ever happens when facing 15+ opponents. As if that wasn't enough on its own....

Normally of-peak too when said faction is pop-locked but the others are at one bar..

And those are the guys demanding sorc nerfs...

Gilvoth

this thread again?
shield spamming sorcerers are simply overpowered and unkillable tanks, this set was made to balance that out and isn't even that strong and takes a long time because it is infact only light attacks that are being used and it takes a long time to light attack shield spam sorc to death and many times the sorc kills you while trying to kill them, if anything the damage should be buffed.

sorcerers right now just as allways since shield breaker was made ARE killing people that wear shield breaker set.
right now in cryodiil you will find sorcerers killing people with shield breaker set just as often as sorcerers dying to people wearing the shield breaker set.

the set was made to balance out shield spamming sorcs
i fought a sorc last night that was not using shields as his main defence and he did just fine, it was a normal fight. the only thing this shield breaker set does is light attack slowly and takes forever but eventually brings down those stacked shields, just like it is suppose to do. it is only light attacks, and if you keep shield spamming and not fighting then the set works as intended.

right now just as allways if sorcs shield stack their pretty much unkillable unless you have a zerg, so the devs made this set to counter that, and it works properly and is balanced, it is not new and has been around for a few years, so its not like this was a new concept that wasnt thought out, it is thought out well and works like it is suppose to, everything is the same as it was when the shield breaker set was made, and we dont have any way of killing shield stacking sorcerers without it.

the only way to counter shield stacking is shield breaker it makes it a fair fight against shield stackers.

Minalan

Two obvious fixes here:

Shieldbreaker: requires 1000 tel-var stones to activate. The set really needs to go through shields when you get some idiot Sorc in IC running around with Imperial Physique, necropotence, two pets, and close to 70K Max Magicka. But a TV stone requirement would lock the set to only work in IC.


Shieldbreaker: does 30% more damage to shielded targets. Literally, “breaking” shields.

ToRelax

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

fought a sorc last night that was not using shields as his main defence and he did just fine, it was a normal fight.

Well, if they had a balanced fight against you, it can't have been that great a build.

Gilvoth

all the set does is damage a shield with Light Attacks.
and that takes a Loong Time.
by the time you get thier shields half down, you are almost dead from thier attacks. so if anything, shield breaker damage should be Increased.

Minalan

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

all the set does is damage a shield with Light Attacks.
and that takes a Loong Time.
by the time you get thier shields half down, you are almost dead from thier attacks. so if anything, shield breaker damage should be Increased.

It damages HEALTH regardless of the shield. And no, it doesn’t take a long time.

Seriously, what build are you running? A typical stamina blade should have around 5K weapon damage (more with infused jewelry now!) - and NO issues breaking a shield stack after incap strike. Your next six attacks get a 20% buff. A sorc shouldn’t be able to stand back up.

Amdar_Godkiller

Needs a buff.

Look at the blue champion point stars. I can increase damage against heavy armor users using:

Physical Weapon Experts 35% to light attacks

Master at Arms 25% to direct damage

Mighty 15% to all physical damage

Piercing between 16.7% if I have min penetration and they have max resistance

Precise Strikes 16.7% when I crit




So my light attack damage against heavy armor users can be buffed by 108.4%, and all my other direct damage attacks can be buffed by 91.7% with CP.


My bleed-dot damage can be buffed by 75% against them, since piercing does nothing and physical weapons expert do nothing for my bleeds. My non-bleed dots can get buffed by 91.7%






Against medium armor,


it's the same, except i'll get less out of PIercing, most likely by about 5%. So bleeds will do the same and everything else will be buffed by 5% less than against heavy armor.




Against light armor,



Precise strikes is useless, because you can't crit damage shields

Piercing is useless because resistance is already very low, and doesn't factor into penetration

light attacking is useless half the time because they are ranged, so physical weapons expert is only half as effective

Dots are purgable, so thaumaturge is useless



So i can only buff my direct damage by:


40% on regular abilities, plus 25% when they are using a damage shield, so 65% max

75% with light attacks, but I won't be able to hit nearly as many as I would against a melee build, so more like 57.5%. With a damage shield, we're looking at effectively 82.5%

Dots can only be increased by 40% and 25% against shielded opponents, so 65%



So this is to say that in order to just increase my damage against light armor users to a level that is still more than 20% weaker than it is against any other type of armor, I have to invest in champion point that does nothing to anyone who isn't wearing a damage shield, which is insanely unbalanced.



So no, friend, shield breaker doesn't require a nerf. It needs to twice as much damage, and the champion point star that increases damage against shielded opponents needs to be doubled to keep light armor in line with the other types of armor, or else, the end result is an unbalanceable game.


shieldbreaker is just a band aid for the fact that CP dramatically favors light armor in terms of scaling. Learn how to heal.

steussy

Get rid of Oblivion damage Zenimax! This does not promote skillful play. I personally do ok against it if it's a 1v1 but in a 1vX with someone sitting back and spamming this garbage it's a pain in the butt.

ezio45

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

this thread again?
shield spamming sorcerers are simply overpowered and unkillable tanks, this set was made to balance that out and isn't even that strong and takes a long time because it is infact only light attacks that are being used and it takes a long time to light attack shield spam sorc to death and many times the sorc kills you while trying to kill them, if anything the damage should be buffed.

sorcerers right now just as allways since shield breaker was made ARE killing people that wear shield breaker set.
right now in cryodiil you will find sorcerers killing people with shield breaker set just as often as sorcerers dying to people wearing the shield breaker set.

the set was made to balance out shield spamming sorcs
i fought a sorc last night that was not using shields as his main defence and he did just fine, it was a normal fight. the only thing this shield breaker set does is light attack slowly and takes forever but eventually brings down those stacked shields, just like it is suppose to do. it is only light attacks, and if you keep shield spamming and not fighting then the set works as intended.

right now just as allways if sorcs shield stack their pretty much unkillable unless you have a zerg, so the devs made this set to counter that, and it works properly and is balanced, it is not new and has been around for a few years, so its not like this was a new concept that wasnt thought out, it is thought out well and works like it is suppose to, everything is the same as it was when the shield breaker set was made, and we dont have any way of killing shield stacking sorcerers without it.

the only way to counter shield stacking is shield breaker it makes it a fair fight against shield stackers.

JUST STUN A SORC OR MAG TOON AND THEY DIE, ITS NOT HARD