Combat Changes 5/7/18?

Dreyloch

Apache_Kid wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Apache_Kid wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey guys,

We truly appreciate all the time and effort everyone has put into writing their feedback on current class balance. In hindsight, we realized the previous patch notes may have implied that balance changes specifically for class abilities would be included in upcoming PTS patches for Update 18. To be clear, our focus for the remaining PTS updates will be iteration and polish for the Psijic Order skill line, Light and Heavy Attack balancing, updating item sets, and fixing bugs. We are, however, collecting all your class feedback and will work on improving class balance in future updates.

Oh really? You don't say?

Kinda like that poll where they asked us if we wanted to see them run through a dungeon or discuss class and combat balance

The poll was heavily for the balance comments

Still waiting for them, they did run through a dungeon though....

It's just amazing because for like months and months and months, people have been mentioning in so many threads:

"Yeah well class balance is coming in Summerset so don't worry"

I could not tell you how many times i've seen this. I've said it myself because that is what we have been led to believe.

If you and I saw those comments all these months, they did too and didn't feel the need to tell us that combat changes on class balance wouldn't be coming in summerset until this morning, 1 month before console launch, right after the big pre-order hullabaloo.


You can't make this stuff up.

People? Or developers? There's a big difference. Because I know I haven't seen anything posted by a dev on the subject except in the PTS notes about why they did this or that. The only thing I've seen recently that came before the PTS and from a Dev was about some changes in Cyrodiil. I could be wrong, there could be some thread somewhere that a Dev posted this, but I kinda think not.

Don't get me wrong here, I wanna believe they were gonna change a lot more too =(

The Uninvited

Sandman929 wrote: »

That light/heavy attack balancing is surely enough work for 6 or 7 development teams, I can't imagine the struggle.

Now you're Implying that there is more than one.

Apache_Kid

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

Well, if it’s any consolation, this thread is a prime example of why the devs don’t really respond to the forums. If it’s anything we don’t want to hear, we complain, moan, and generally act childish.

For those of you that think: “well I don’t do that”, remember that this is a community. A sum of all our parts, not the individual.

"People complain and say mildly rude things to us" is not a good reason to stop communicating with your customers.

If i stopped contacting customers who were annoying and rude at my job, i wouldn't have many customers left.

We are angry and complain because we were lied to. We were told class-rebalancing was coming this chapter but its not.

This is on top of all the performance issues plaguing the game. People are riled up and deservedly so. They deserve every thing they get and more until they start treating this game like the AAA title its supposed to be.

Apache_Kid

Dreyloch wrote: »

Apache_Kid wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Apache_Kid wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey guys,

We truly appreciate all the time and effort everyone has put into writing their feedback on current class balance. In hindsight, we realized the previous patch notes may have implied that balance changes specifically for class abilities would be included in upcoming PTS patches for Update 18. To be clear, our focus for the remaining PTS updates will be iteration and polish for the Psijic Order skill line, Light and Heavy Attack balancing, updating item sets, and fixing bugs. We are, however, collecting all your class feedback and will work on improving class balance in future updates.

Oh really? You don't say?

Kinda like that poll where they asked us if we wanted to see them run through a dungeon or discuss class and combat balance

The poll was heavily for the balance comments

Still waiting for them, they did run through a dungeon though....

It's just amazing because for like months and months and months, people have been mentioning in so many threads:

"Yeah well class balance is coming in Summerset so don't worry"

I could not tell you how many times i've seen this. I've said it myself because that is what we have been led to believe.

If you and I saw those comments all these months, they did too and didn't feel the need to tell us that combat changes on class balance wouldn't be coming in summerset until this morning, 1 month before console launch, right after the big pre-order hullabaloo.


You can't make this stuff up.

People? Or developers? There's a big difference. Because I know I haven't seen anything posted by a dev on the subject except in the PTS notes about why they did this or that. The only thing I've seen recently that came before the PTS and from a Dev was about some changes in Cyrodiil. I could be wrong, there could be some thread somewhere that a Dev posted this, but I kinda think not.

Don't get me wrong here, I wanna believe they were gonna change a lot more too =(

Dreyloch wrote: »

Apache_Kid wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Apache_Kid wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey guys,

We truly appreciate all the time and effort everyone has put into writing their feedback on current class balance. In hindsight, we realized the previous patch notes may have implied that balance changes specifically for class abilities would be included in upcoming PTS patches for Update 18. To be clear, our focus for the remaining PTS updates will be iteration and polish for the Psijic Order skill line, Light and Heavy Attack balancing, updating item sets, and fixing bugs. We are, however, collecting all your class feedback and will work on improving class balance in future updates.

Oh really? You don't say?

Kinda like that poll where they asked us if we wanted to see them run through a dungeon or discuss class and combat balance

The poll was heavily for the balance comments

Still waiting for them, they did run through a dungeon though....

It's just amazing because for like months and months and months, people have been mentioning in so many threads:

"Yeah well class balance is coming in Summerset so don't worry"

I could not tell you how many times i've seen this. I've said it myself because that is what we have been led to believe.

If you and I saw those comments all these months, they did too and didn't feel the need to tell us that combat changes on class balance wouldn't be coming in summerset until this morning, 1 month before console launch, right after the big pre-order hullabaloo.


You can't make this stuff up.

People? Or developers? There's a big difference. Because I know I haven't seen anything posted by a dev on the subject except in the PTS notes about why they did this or that. The only thing I've seen recently that came before the PTS and from a Dev was about some changes in Cyrodiil. I could be wrong, there could be some thread somewhere that a Dev posted this, but I kinda think not.

Don't get me wrong here, I wanna believe they were gonna change a lot more too =(

Im not going to spend my time going back and finding the post but i very distinctly remember reading a post in here months ago with green text saying there was major class re-balancing coming in Summerset

Emma_Overload

Ludof wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey guys,

We truly appreciate all the time and effort everyone has put into writing their feedback on current class balance. In hindsight, we realized the previous patch notes may have implied that balance changes specifically for class abilities would be included in upcoming PTS patches for Update 18. To be clear, our focus for the remaining PTS updates will be iteration and polish for the Psijic Order skill line, Light and Heavy Attack balancing, updating item sets, and fixing bugs. We are, however, collecting all your class feedback and will work on improving class balance in future updates.

You literally killed Magden while buffing already strong classes like Magsorc.

Thank you, really.

"already strong classes like Magsorc..."

HAHAHAHAHA... dude, don't even...

If you have problems with Mag Sorcs, just pay for a race change token and convert your Mag Warden to a Stam Warden. You'll be scraping dead Sorcs off the bottom of your shoe in no time!

Rex-Umbra

leaving strife as is? sad

Sandman929

PTS notes are likely to be delayed another hour while they add a paragraph to the top explaining how all this is great and how they're listening to the class balance feedback and will be taking a look at it in future updates.
Your call is very important, please stay on the line.

Vaoh

Reading this.... well for the first time ever I legitimately feel like I’m losing interest.

- They tried to implement crown crate exclusive motif pages
- They had a 20% sale this time around, down from the 50% it has always been. This doesn’t even take into account the drastically increasing Crown costs overtime
- Jewelry Crafting is an atrocious grind like this game has never seen before, when it should simply be the same as every other craft.
- Zero class balance changes despite the tons of threads and their own comments. WHY EVEN CREATE OFFICIAL DISCUSSION THREADS FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL CLASS IF YOU WON’T MAKE CHANGES??

There are so many things I could list here. It seems that the Crown Store is getting way more attention than it should, and all at the expense of the actual game.

Look at the effect ZOS is now having on their long-time, dedicated players. No need to say anything else tbh.

DeliCreep wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey guys,

We truly appreciate all the time and effort everyone has put into writing their feedback on current class balance. In hindsight, we realized the previous patch notes may have implied that balance changes specifically for class abilities would be included in upcoming PTS patches for Update 18. To be clear, our focus for the remaining PTS updates will be iteration and polish for the Psijic Order skill line, Light and Heavy Attack balancing, updating item sets, and fixing bugs. We are, however, collecting all your class feedback and will work on improving class balance in future updates.

Thank you! Finally I can quit this game. You once again favored the casuals, but guess what, they will leave this game anyway when something new is released. I've complated all HMs, I'm Immortal Redeemer, I've bought all CEs and was gonna buy Summerset CE, I've also bought more crown than I'd like to admit, and it was all for nothing because I have no more faith left in this game. Any game that favors casuals over its core players is not a good game.

DuskMarine

i think all of you are being kindve petty raging at her over the class balancing. they already balanced dks making magdks actually viable again. their balancing our classes as they make stuff they dont show in the patch notes but the changes are there. you all need to calm down and quit acting like children who didnt get what they want.

dimensional

The changes to each class and its powers are clearly spelled out.

Gina in this case is saying that they're not making further changes to those on the PTS, which is radically different from the way people in this thread are portraying it.

so please, for the love of Talos, STOP CRYING ABOUT IT.

TimeDazzler

dimensional wrote: »

The changes to each class and its powers are clearly spelled out.

Gina in this case is saying that they're not making further changes to those on the PTS, which is radically different from the way people in this thread are portraying it.

so please, for the love of Talos, STOP CRYING ABOUT IT.

Following those changes official threads were made for individual class feedback that have been ignored. ZoS said they would discuss the feedback and make changes in the PTS and now they are saying they will make no changes, but changes after Summerset. Go look at all the meaningful posts people created in the feedback thread, and tell me how people can't be upset with how shady ZoS makes changes to combat balance. Plus it's a shame to even call it balance, the majority of the player base and class representatives are saying that the strife nerf and removal of stun from mag wardens needs to be reverted but ZoS would instead use all their resources balancing light attack damage which is a change no one asked for to begin with.

NyassaV

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey guys,

We truly appreciate all the time and effort everyone has put into writing their feedback on current class balance. In hindsight, we realized the previous patch notes may have implied that balance changes specifically for class abilities would be included in upcoming PTS patches for Update 18. To be clear, our focus for the remaining PTS updates will be iteration and polish for the Psijic Order skill line, Light and Heavy Attack balancing, updating item sets, and fixing bugs. We are, however, collecting all your class feedback and will work on improving class balance in future updates.

You're kidding... Please tell me you are kidding. With the current changes we have things are not balanced at all. If things go live as they are we will have an extraordinarily imbalanced patch, on par with homestead in a few ways. (No ill will towards you but others )

Avran_Sylt

@Solariken

True, however, criticizing their actions in a respectable manner begets respect. Being an arse about it generally leaves a mutual annoyance.

I do not mean to say that the current PR response hits all the bases (why focus Light Attacks first), rather that the communal response is far from unified in tone.

@Dedricus

I have a feeling part of that is that Light Attack weaving is only now becoming more cemented in gameplay from a development standpoint.

Dedricus

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

@Dedricus

I have a feeling part of that is that Light Attack weaving is only now becoming more cemented in gameplay from a development standpoint.

I'm confused as to what that has to do with what I said. The truth is they've been putting off balance changes despite saying we'd get decent ones.

Thogard

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Ludof wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey guys,

We truly appreciate all the time and effort everyone has put into writing their feedback on current class balance. In hindsight, we realized the previous patch notes may have implied that balance changes specifically for class abilities would be included in upcoming PTS patches for Update 18. To be clear, our focus for the remaining PTS updates will be iteration and polish for the Psijic Order skill line, Light and Heavy Attack balancing, updating item sets, and fixing bugs. We are, however, collecting all your class feedback and will work on improving class balance in future updates.

You literally killed Magden while buffing already strong classes like Magsorc.

Thank you, really.

"already strong classes like Magsorc..."

HAHAHAHAHA... dude, don't even...

If you have problems with Mag Sorcs, just pay for a race change token and convert your Mag Warden to a Stam Warden. You'll be scraping dead Sorcs off the bottom of your shoe in no time!

Regular mag sorcs? Sure.

The overload mag sorcs on PTS? Oh hell no.

DuskMarine

NyassaV wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey guys,

We truly appreciate all the time and effort everyone has put into writing their feedback on current class balance. In hindsight, we realized the previous patch notes may have implied that balance changes specifically for class abilities would be included in upcoming PTS patches for Update 18. To be clear, our focus for the remaining PTS updates will be iteration and polish for the Psijic Order skill line, Light and Heavy Attack balancing, updating item sets, and fixing bugs. We are, however, collecting all your class feedback and will work on improving class balance in future updates.

You're kidding... Please tell me you are kidding. With the current changes we have things are not balanced at all. If things go live as they are we will have an extraordinarily imbalanced patch, on par with homestead in a few ways. (No ill will towards you but others )

they do the balance changes as they do the other patches dude. shes meaning there isnt gonna be like 6 pages of class balance changes cause their just doing small increments. or do you want another morrowind to happen with something getting nuked into the floor?

Moloch1514

Shame! Why even bother with the class feedback threads? Or even the PTS feedback at all? The only things I've seen feedback from ZOS is regarding systems related to Crown store/ new players this test cycle.

NyassaV

Anyone else regretting pre-ordering? I will however continue to provide feedback until the patch goes live regardless of if it is listened too

Chufu

It's never bad to leave your comments and discussions in the PTS feedback threads. Even when you don't get an answer there, the developers read your feedback.

That doesn't of course answer your questions about when the class changes are coming, but well... they'll come. I still believe that.

Joy_Division

_Ahala_ wrote: »

Wait what? So magden has to exist is this absolutely terrible state for 3 months now? Why?

In 3 months they will be just as terrible as they are once the update goes LiVe.

Nolic1

Its funny they say class changes where coming with Summerset they do the class changes and make the classes have more effective was to tank and heal but they do not work to the standards the players want and the game somehow ends for players. The class changes were just that they were the changes to tank and healer roles as stated by the patch notes they will get feed back on those changes and make adjustments in the next update like they have done for as long as I can remember and they have done this for along time. This is so these changes can be tested in the live servers so they can then come back with more than just the ones who want things changed just for there playstyle they need to here from the greater amount of players then those on test.

Now do I agree with the changes no not all but alot of them what I do not agree with from the devs is the fact the say there is a preferred playstyle at end game PVE when all I see are people saying they what more options at the end game and when others offer new ideas they get sent to the preferred playstyle even though that is not what they were asking for. So we all can complain but that is really all we are doing is complaining instead of saying lets see how things pan out from the changes this update.

_Ahala_

Joy_Division wrote: »

_Ahala_ wrote: »

Wait what? So magden has to exist is this absolutely terrible state for 3 months now? Why?

In 3 months they will be just as terrible as they are once the update goes LiVe.

Well, I suppose this is as good a time as any to take a break from pvp... guess I’m just gonna have to learn how to pve heal

Bashev

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey guys,

We truly appreciate all the time and effort everyone has put into writing their feedback on current class balance. In hindsight, we realized the previous patch notes may have implied that balance changes specifically for class abilities would be included in upcoming PTS patches for Update 18. To be clear, our focus for the remaining PTS updates will be iteration and polish for the Psijic Order skill line, Light and Heavy Attack balancing, updating item sets, and fixing bugs. We are, however, collecting all your class feedback and will work on improving class balance in future updates.

@ZOS_GinaBruno what happened with?

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Guys, don't forget as stated in the very first paragraph, you'll begin seeing some balance adjustments next week at the earliest. This patch is mainly bug fixes.

Did I miss these class balance changes or what?

NyassaV

_Ahala_ wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

_Ahala_ wrote: »

Wait what? So magden has to exist is this absolutely terrible state for 3 months now? Why?

In 3 months they will be just as terrible as they are once the update goes LiVe.

Well, I suppose this is as good a time as any to take a break from pvp... guess I’m just gonna have to learn how to pve heal

They buffed fishing

I'm retiring to be a fisher-woman now

Anne_Firehawk

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey guys,

We truly appreciate all the time and effort everyone has put into writing their feedback on current class balance. In hindsight, we realized the previous patch notes may have implied that balance changes specifically for class abilities would be included in upcoming PTS patches for Update 18. To be clear, our focus for the remaining PTS updates will be iteration and polish for the Psijic Order skill line, Light and Heavy Attack balancing, updating item sets, and fixing bugs. We are, however, collecting all your class feedback and will work on improving class balance in future updates.

You (ZOS) should be ashamed, why even bothering making Class balance threads?

Hymzir

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey guys,

We truly appreciate all the time and effort everyone has put into writing their feedback on current class balance. In hindsight, we realized the previous patch notes may have implied that balance changes specifically for class abilities would be included in upcoming PTS patches for Update 18. To be clear, our focus for the remaining PTS updates will be iteration and polish for the Psijic Order skill line, Light and Heavy Attack balancing, updating item sets, and fixing bugs. We are, however, collecting all your class feedback and will work on improving class balance in future updates.

My first instinct was to write a snarky comment lambasting ZOS, or one about the ineptitude of ZOS devs, and to display the utter stupidity of your development priorities. (Well, after having laughed out loud for about 5 minutes or so.) But heck, you already got like three pages of those comments to wade through so why bother? The exact same question I am increasingly asking about ESO itself. Why bother? The glory days are behind, all that is left is the savage milking of whales, until they too go extinct, and it's time to move on to another cash making scheme. Fallout Online perhaps?

The point I was gonna make, and what numerous others have already made, is that your continued lack of actual interest about the class imbalance and the broken state of many skills and passives, as well as the rampant power creep, is killing the game. And once you succeed in that, there won't be anyone left to buy your overpriced digital crap. I mean, just read the response you are getting!

All your energy and effort is obviously focused towards the Clown Store and it's overpriced junk. Everything else is ignored, or made into such an arduous grind, that you are channeled to just bypass the gamplay mechanics, and buy the stuff straight from the Store. At that point, I gotta ask, why am I playing the game at all?

PVP was the last bit of game content that kept me somewhat interested into logging, but your refusal, or ineptitude, to do anything about game balance, is turning even that to crap. I already had to retire my main character to sit on the bench, since you keep gutting the class skills and making him utterly unplayable due to broken mechanics, unbalanced gameplay and flawed design philosophy. And now, after waiting for half a year for a mythical "balance update", you tell us that naah... not gonna happen. In return, I suppose, I get to not waste my time or money on your product.

I am not all that surprised by this move however. It's exactly the sortta idiotic move I was expecting from you. And am actually waiting for couple of titles to drop, that are rumored to be announced for release at E3, and than it's adiós muchachos for ESO.

And if those do not happen, I'll go back to playing strategy games as my main gaming activity. I will most certainly not, waste my time waiting for you to fix your ***. You have had years to correct some of it, and have failed to do so for years. At this point, I am more willing to bet that it's never going to happen. So yeah... Great job ZOS.

Having said all that, I still feel like I gotta ask: Does your combat team, at this point, only consist of Wrobel and an ecuadorian llama called Mike, who specializes in lawn ornament design. 'Cause it certainly feels that way. I mean, what the hell are you paying them for? The amount of work they manage to get done for each patch is ludicrously small. And they are, more often that not, utterly random and incomprehensible in nature, and never actually deal with any of the real issues the players are having. So, yeah, either your combat team is woefully understaffed, or you are paying for them to twiddle their thumbs. They sure as hell are not getting any work done.

Bashev

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey guys,

We truly appreciate all the time and effort everyone has put into writing their feedback on current class balance. In hindsight, we realized the previous patch notes may have implied that balance changes specifically for class abilities would be included in upcoming PTS patches for Update 18. To be clear, our focus for the remaining PTS updates will be iteration and polish for the Psijic Order skill line, Light and Heavy Attack balancing, updating item sets, and fixing bugs. We are, however, collecting all your class feedback and will work on improving class balance in future updates.

@ZOS_GinaBruno what happened with:

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Guys, don't forget as stated in the very first paragraph, you'll begin seeing some balance adjustments next week at the earliest. This patch is mainly bug fixes.

Did I miss these changes or what?

Edit: Did anyone from ZoS remove my first comment? I cannot find it?

Seraphayel

Why are they even looking for class representatives? To use them as scapegoats? I just can't anymore.

Everything boils down to make most cash out of ESO and on the priority list this is like:

1. Crown store costumes
2. Crown store pets
3. Crown store mounts
4. Crown store motifs
...
99. Things that make the game better

jcaceresw

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey guys,

We truly appreciate all the time and effort everyone has put into writing their feedback on current class balance. In hindsight, we realized the previous patch notes may have implied that balance changes specifically for class abilities would be included in upcoming PTS patches for Update 18. To be clear, our focus for the remaining PTS updates will be iteration and polish for the Psijic Order skill line, Light and Heavy Attack balancing, updating item sets, and fixing bugs. We are, however, collecting all your class feedback and will work on improving class balance in future updates.

Please, give us a class change token. I am subbed and play this game for fun, not to be worried about how useless or underperforming are my toons. Lets make those tokens a one time only change per toon.

Enodoc

Bashev wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey guys,

We truly appreciate all the time and effort everyone has put into writing their feedback on current class balance. In hindsight, we realized the previous patch notes may have implied that balance changes specifically for class abilities would be included in upcoming PTS patches for Update 18. To be clear, our focus for the remaining PTS updates will be iteration and polish for the Psijic Order skill line, Light and Heavy Attack balancing, updating item sets, and fixing bugs. We are, however, collecting all your class feedback and will work on improving class balance in future updates.

ZOS_GinaBruno what happened with?

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Guys, don't forget as stated in the very first paragraph, you'll begin seeing some balance adjustments next week at the earliest. This patch is mainly bug fixes.

Did I miss these class balance changes or what?

Nobody ever said those stated "balance adjustments" included class balance. Although given that there are patch notes under "Combat Balance" for classes, it would be a logical assumption...... I guess they were only referencing Light and Heavy balances and set balances? Which makes no sense because usually anything under "Combat Balance" requires iterating.