Frustrated Stamina Templar

BohnT

Minno wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

Torbschka wrote: »

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Jabs cuts your stamina sustain in half, you can't regen whilst channeling. Keep it in your rotation for the buff but don't spam it.

Healing also destroys sustain since you spend most of your time outside your armour and mitigation buff. Health regen might be a remedy for you as it is for me.

Look how much stamina I use healing myself in this clip, yeah I know not the greatest player but these are the guys you'll generally be facing in Cyrodiil.

https://youtu.be/uyYaykxe-Pw

thx @Kas @CyrusArya @CatchMeTrolling for the detailed answer.

Regarding my Quote and ur posts I do have several questions:

1. Jabs are stopping my stamina regen ? Cant test it yet, but never heard/noticed that lol?
2. I tried a "full dmg" build, as long as u are not really "focused" it's great, the moment u are really "solo" and fighting 3-5 guys solo its actually over IMO
3. Do u guys think sun shield (doesnt have blazing shield, could be the "cheap Morph") could actually be worth it "this"/next patch, since u can easily reach Setups with 40k+ hp, still maintainig 30k stam + 4k weapon dmg while having 1,7k-2k stam regen?
4. Ive heard very different opinions about that , so the "good" stamplars dont really ike ravager? I got it, since automaton is always up etc., although stamplar is actually the only class ravager makes sense on right^^?

Anyway, thank you guys.

Ill probably try the sun shiled idea by myself next week when Ive time (since im imperial)

something like

5x heavy set with jewelry and at least 1 health Bonus (ravager, fury, greenpact, plague)
5x medium/heavy "sustain" set (bone pirate, shackle)
2x Monster - pirate Skeleton I guess, since it would prc a lot and my shields become a better defense.

So, could be
5x ravager front (jewels + wpns)
5x shackle Body (medium or heavy - dunno)
2x pirate

bars would be:
Jabs - potl - bleed/shuffle - stun - vigor - dawnbreaker
Focus - cleanse - shield- entropy - Forward momentum/Rally

My stamplar build for OW and 1vX:
2pc slimecraw
5pc bone pirate (currently bugged)
5pc clever Alchemist (1h+s only)
1pc Asylum 2h hammer ( more reliable than the bleed and almost always outdamages sword)

2 wpn damage glyphs + 1 stam regen
Boon: serpent
Bar setup: 1h+s: focus, reverb, vigor, ransack(for more damage with penetration, can be swapped with heroic), purge ult: 1h&s
2h: PotL, executioner, rally, jabs, shuffle ult: DBoS

The bar setup isn't full tryhard mode, you'd want to swap vigor and PotL with each other for more healing and a higher damage cap on PotL but i like having a heal on each bar so i'm not *** when barswap isn't working.

1. You get Stamina while spamming Jabs
2. Don't go for a full damage build it doesn't work most of the time especially not in 1vX. Use a balanced build that can survive some pressure and then kill the enemy once you have an offensive window
3. The sunshield builds aren't really optimal imo and i'm really not a fan as you already have bad sustain and the bonuses you get from boneshield just aren't gonna cut it imo if you don't fight against really bad Players.
4. Ravager isn't optimal for 1vX because you often have to LoS and be defensive so you won't get it to proc meaning you don't get any buffs neither offensive or defensive. That's why i run clever Alchemist, it has just a 33% uptime but you can Control it and the burst window always Comes with enough resources to start the fight. With the next pathc ravager might be intresting again with Transmutation but i can't test it on the PTS because latency is so bad there for EU players

I came to the same thought process for my stamplar. Mace gave around 300 effective weapon power raiting on my build when looking at all the options. I know people hate it for how it applies the percentage after penetration sources, but with everyone rolling 18-23k resists, youll never overpenetrate as a stam toon (unless you have major/minor fracture with maces/sharp). but for stamplar, mace is clutch.

I don't think stamplar pain points are with sets, as much as it is with underutilized passives/class abilities. Give stamplars a global 12% mending passive, a mobile healing ultimate, another defense/escape mechanic, and a way to recoup resources outside regen, and you'd have an more user friendly class ready to kick ass but still have weaknesses.

Stamplar has many Pain points but i didn't want to bother listing them once again.
Maybe we'll see some changes but with how Zos currently dealt with class balance in this Pts cycle i don't see any reason to bring up the same points over and over again just to see nothing changed.
Just from the top of my head some pain points:
Sustain, bad passives, no synergy between most skills, bugs with jabs& Crescent sweep, lack of sets is a problem imo.

caeliusstarbreaker

I run 5 hulking 5 impreg with master weapons, usually double axes. One nirn one charged with disease and shock glyph. Took all my cp out of crit dmg and bumped up master and phys weapon expert to unlock tactician.

Works for me.

WillhelmBlack

caeliusstarbreaker wrote: »

I run 5 hulking 5 impreg with master weapons, usually double axes. One nirn one charged with disease and shock glyph. Took all my cp out of crit dmg and bumped up master and phys weapon expert to unlock tactician.

Works for me.

That's because you're OP and one of the few that can get away with 5 medium armour.

I did actually try medium last week, Boney instead of Hulking, Chudan instead Master's DW. The damage was insane but I was set on fire by Zaan, proc'd on by Caluurian, Bears pouncing on me from behind, sustain problems mag and stam. It was entertaining but very scary.

caeliusstarbreaker

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

caeliusstarbreaker wrote: »

I run 5 hulking 5 impreg with master weapons, usually double axes. One nirn one charged with disease and shock glyph. Took all my cp out of crit dmg and bumped up master and phys weapon expert to unlock tactician.

Works for me.

That's because you're OP and one of the few that can get away with 5 medium armour.

I did actually try medium last week, Boney instead of Hulking, Chudan instead Master's DW. The damage was insane but I was set on fire by Zaan, proc'd on by Caluurian, Bears pouncing on me from behind, sustain problems mag and stam. It was entertaining but very scary.

Well unless you’re building outright tanky you’re probably going to want to switch to blood craze since secondary effect heals that don’t scale of dmg on target aren’t effected by battle spirit. So that healing tick of blood craze helps take care of the gap left by losing major mending. It also allows you to open up build choices that don’t necessarily need you to have a tank set if you’re on the ball. Also the jab snare won’t be dodged next patch.

Impreg is amazing for pvp plus gives the 3 lines of resources. I choose to use impreg and then hulking because I can sit at 40k stam to boost potl, and 3400 wpn dmg with master axes, 4K wpn dmg if I use one infused, helps poor unblockable undodgeable damage into players since we don’t have a cc to get through that. Put javelin on my back bar it keeps the bonus dmg against blocking target damage buff from aedric spear active for all your bleed ticks.

The charged trait boosts the defile and minor vulnerability secondary effect proc chance to 42% when the enchant hits.. which if you’re weaving is pretty often. So it’s 8% dmg there and then 10% on offbalanced targets.. which happens fairly frequently, and you just lose out on 20% crit dmg for 10-18% all around dmg with a decent up time. Plus the increased resource return on heavy attacking an off balanced target along with the added hot help out sustain.

Impreg is definitely gonna keep you tanky, even in medium, and especially since our armor buff is a 4m circle. Purify, blood craze, rally and vigor are going to give you good hots. You can switch it up for a monster set if you like but I can’t really fall in love with any of the monster sets.

Joy_Division

I'm going to throw my computer out the window if you Stamplars don't use Crescent Sweep.

From an opponent's perspective, the stampers that I've fought that used Blood Craze skill have been the toughest opponents

caeliusstarbreaker

Joy_Division wrote: »

I'm going to throw my computer out the window if you Stamplars don't use Crescent Sweep.

From an opponent's perspective, the stampers that I've fought that used Blood Craze skill have been the toughest opponents

Haha sorry @Joy_Division, crescent is doody. I’d give it back to you if I could.

Checkmath

I hardly never see stamplars without rending slashes/blood craze. In duels everyone using dual wield uses that skill.

WillhelmBlack

caeliusstarbreaker wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

I'm going to throw my computer out the window if you Stamplars don't use Crescent Sweep.

From an opponent's perspective, the stampers that I've fought that used Blood Craze skill have been the toughest opponents

Haha sorry @Joy_Division, crescent is doody. I’d give it back to you if I could.

Yeah we get more from the other morph hahaha

Joy_Division

caeliusstarbreaker wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

I'm going to throw my computer out the window if you Stamplars don't use Crescent Sweep.

From an opponent's perspective, the stampers that I've fought that used Blood Craze skill have been the toughest opponents

Haha sorry @Joy_Division, crescent is doody. I’d give it back to you if I could.

WillhelmBlack

caeliusstarbreaker wrote: »

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

caeliusstarbreaker wrote: »

I run 5 hulking 5 impreg with master weapons, usually double axes. One nirn one charged with disease and shock glyph. Took all my cp out of crit dmg and bumped up master and phys weapon expert to unlock tactician.

Works for me.

That's because you're OP and one of the few that can get away with 5 medium armour.

I did actually try medium last week, Boney instead of Hulking, Chudan instead Master's DW. The damage was insane but I was set on fire by Zaan, proc'd on by Caluurian, Bears pouncing on me from behind, sustain problems mag and stam. It was entertaining but very scary.

Well unless you’re building outright tanky you’re probably going to want to switch to blood craze since secondary effect heals that don’t scale of dmg on target aren’t effected by battle spirit. So that healing tick of blood craze helps take care of the gap left by losing major mending. It also allows you to open up build choices that don’t necessarily need you to have a tank set if you’re on the ball.

I'm never on the ball. Hence the heavy armour and health regen crutch xD

Minno

caeliusstarbreaker wrote: »

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

caeliusstarbreaker wrote: »

I run 5 hulking 5 impreg with master weapons, usually double axes. One nirn one charged with disease and shock glyph. Took all my cp out of crit dmg and bumped up master and phys weapon expert to unlock tactician.

Works for me.

That's because you're OP and one of the few that can get away with 5 medium armour.

I did actually try medium last week, Boney instead of Hulking, Chudan instead Master's DW. The damage was insane but I was set on fire by Zaan, proc'd on by Caluurian, Bears pouncing on me from behind, sustain problems mag and stam. It was entertaining but very scary.

Well unless you’re building outright tanky you’re probably going to want to switch to blood craze since secondary effect heals that don’t scale of dmg on target aren’t effected by battle spirit. So that healing tick of blood craze helps take care of the gap left by losing major mending. It also allows you to open up build choices that don’t necessarily need you to have a tank set if you’re on the ball. Also the jab snare won’t be dodged next patch.

Impreg is amazing for pvp plus gives the 3 lines of resources. I choose to use impreg and then hulking because I can sit at 40k stam to boost potl, and 3400 wpn dmg with master axes, 4K wpn dmg if I use one infused, helps poor unblockable undodgeable damage into players since we don’t have a cc to get through that. Put javelin on my back bar it keeps the bonus dmg against blocking target damage buff from aedric spear active for all your bleed ticks.

The charged trait boosts the defile and minor vulnerability secondary effect proc chance to 42% when the enchant hits.. which if you’re weaving is pretty often. So it’s 8% dmg there and then 10% on offbalanced targets.. which happens fairly frequently, and you just lose out on 20% crit dmg for 10-18% all around dmg with a decent up time. Plus the increased resource return on heavy attacking an off balanced target along with the added hot help out sustain.

Impreg is definitely gonna keep you tanky, even in medium, and especially since our armor buff is a 4m circle. Purify, blood craze, rally and vigor are going to give you good hots. You can switch it up for a monster set if you like but I can’t really fall in love with any of the monster sets.

Only defense set worth it I've found was pirate/chudan combo of you don't want to waste a 5pc. . Youn't need to be hit, doesnt give a minor defile, etc.

Otherwise impreg I agree is sexy.

Minno

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

caeliusstarbreaker wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

I'm going to throw my computer out the window if you Stamplars don't use Crescent Sweep.

From an opponent's perspective, the stampers that I've fought that used Blood Craze skill have been the toughest opponents

Haha sorry @Joy_Division, crescent is doody. I’d give it back to you if I could.

Yeah we get more from the other morph hahaha

It's funny because Dawnbreaker has like almost a 20k tooltip for stamplar. Why would you use anything else? But knowing zos, they are going to nerf Dawnbreaker instead of designing anything substantial for Templar lol.

Like even with 66% DMG for everyone in front of you, cresant sweep still misses out on 2-3k damage. It's really *** lol.

dodgehopper_ESO

Checkmath wrote: »

I hardly never see stamplars without rending slashes/blood craze. In duels everyone using dual wield uses that skill.

I think this is part of my problem: I really don't like the Dual Wield skill line even though it is good. I just find it ugly as sin.

dodgehopper_ESO

Minno wrote: »

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

caeliusstarbreaker wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

I'm going to throw my computer out the window if you Stamplars don't use Crescent Sweep.

From an opponent's perspective, the stampers that I've fought that used Blood Craze skill have been the toughest opponents

Haha sorry @Joy_Division, crescent is doody. I’d give it back to you if I could.

Yeah we get more from the other morph hahaha

It's funny because Dawnbreaker has like almost a 20k tooltip for stamplar. Why would you use anything else? But knowing zos, they are going to nerf Dawnbreaker instead of designing anything substantial for Templar lol.

Like even with 66% DMG for everyone in front of you, cresant sweep still misses out on 2-3k damage. It's really *** lol.

I want to tell you 'no way' but the sad reality is you're probably right. I think my Templar is going to go back to Tanking in Summerset, and try out the psijic and silver leash stuff to see how I like it.

Ragnaroek93

Imo stamplar is a dead class currently. Only thing which seems to be "strong" is a full damage bleedstack build which doesn't work well outside of duels and that's mostly because of bleeds and not because of the class (and even that can't be considered as strong if I take a look at the other duel hero builds in Alikr).

DosPanchos

Stamplar isn't dead, it just takes a ton of practice and experimentation to get it right.

Xsorus

Chudan/masters dual axe/blood drinker/then pick a backbar set that works well. My personal favorite is cyrodiil crest but that will honestly work better next patch when you can do two hander with it.

WillhelmBlack

Xsorus wrote: »

Chudan/masters dual axe/blood drinker/then pick a backbar set that works well. My personal favorite is cyrodiil crest but that will honestly work better next patch when you can do two hander with it.

Blood Drinker is a PITA to get though. Still had no rings drop.